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I can’t fucking believe we did it to ourselves again I’m completely in shock, this is fucking ridiculous.
I would say the same thing but just drive a car somewhere some time. People are the stupidest most selfish garbage you can imagine. And nothing brings that behavior out of them like driving a car.
This is somehow less of a gut-punch than 2016 when everyone just assumed Americans would do the right thing and not elect Trump. It still sucks, but it’s less of a surprise. The writing was kind of on the wall for awhile though, just given the fact that the election was as close as it was. Even if Trump hadn’t won, that he was able to run the most garbage campaign in history and was still tying it up was pretty damning of America.
So now we watch as we just peacefully transfer power to the most vile, irresponsible person on Earth and watch the world burn.
I don’t understand how this many people see everything that he’s done and said, and still voted for him. I just do not understand. I don’t want to live on the same planet as these people, nevermind in the same country.
From what I’ve seen it’s people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.
This is exactly what happened with Brexit.
Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven’t realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn’t afraid of breaking things along the way.
It’s just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it’s only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.
Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.
“Center” is almost always the establishment. The whole problem with the status quo is that they have hijacked the idea to be associated solely with them.
People generally like status quo. When life is not perfect, but doesn’t become worse. The thing is - people also hate growing and entrenching elite whose power is represented by parties who generally represent that option (and who press out anyone else trying to present a better version of it).
Ultimately people feel that power as something they want to free themselves from, and thus vote for those who promise destructive action.
Anyway, let’s not forget that the last 4 years, despite the emotion in the media, were with Biden-Harris, not with Trump. All those nice things they promised - those really can only be done after year 2024, no way to try before it, right?
And Trump, despite all the scary promises, is not going to break too many things either. The difference between these parties is not as big as it would seem.
Also he attracted RFK. RFK, other than being an antivaxxer, is almost leftist. OK, not leftist, but a normal Democrat, one can say. That may mean a bit of moderation. That’s if he gets any real influence and has not been just fooled for votes.
For the record, we progressives in the US have been trying to foment that kind of attention. Messaging seems to be artificially limited by the corporate media, which is why groups like XR have had to resort to super glue hands onto the outer frames of art.
Every time we gain some momentum, serious violence appears, perfectly on schedule, to quell our desire for change.
Important to note here, the status quo is the status quo for a reason. Incremental evidence based change happens slowly. It cannot happen fast, and that’s good. Slow is stable. The clear vision is “the system we have but marginally better tomorrow. And then the day after tomorrow, marginally better than that.” It’s foolish to vote for anyone who promises drastic change, left, right, up, or down. It’s a trick. It’s like changing 5 variables at once in a science experiment and expecting any sort of result better than random chance. We don’t have a perfect system but rolling the dice on a wannabe fascist dictator is obviously not the way forward if you have two brain cells to run together, but an alarming amount of people seem to just not get it.
Just look at history though and you’ll see that most significant changes (both bad and good) happen abruptly and it’s often a bit messy.
Unfortunately it’s just the way that humans work
Exactly. It’s like the (apocryphal?) quote.
There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.
That does not reflect history at all. Changes are often big, sudden, and violent. They may simmer for years before hand but they go off fast.
That’s only helpful if you feel like there have actually been improvements over the last few years/decades.
A lot of people feel like crime is constantly rising, morals in general are not being valued anymore and that the economy is constantly in decline. Mixed with a widespread believe that most politicians are bought anyways.
These feelings aren’t rooted in facts but they are there and they make it difficult to simultaneously believe in gradual improvement.
Well, they’re certainly going to get change, that’s for sure. I hope they’re happy sleeping in the bed they made.
No, they won’t. Like it happened in 2020. The problem is that there might not be another chance to rectify this if project 2025 can truly happen.
No, they won’t.
There’s certainly going to be change, just not the change any sane person actually wants.
As republicans taking even more from the playbooks of Viktor Orbán and Vladimir Putin, they’re going to be told it were the Mexicans, China, the LGBTQ+ agenda, women, neomarxists, etc, that shit the bed, not them.
They will be very unhappy about it. And they will look to Trump to tell them who to blame for it. And they will someday die, self-righteous and ignorant of what they cost themselves.
From what I’ve seen it’s people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.
This. Both the Biden and Harris campaign were focused on “it’s not actually that bad, but it’ll be worse under Trump”. And for a lot of people, it IS that bad. All they heard from Harris was that it will be more of the same, and the same isn’t working for a lot of Americans.
If that’s what they actually wanted they’d be progressives, instead of voting to take exactly the worst parts of the status quo and make them even worse.
Which was also influenced by Russian campaigns
They like what he says and does. There’s nothing deeper, they’re not fooled, they’re not protest voting. A lot of people in germany liked Hitler, a lot of italians liked Mussolini, a lot of russians like Putin, a lot of americans like Trump.
I think most countries have like 20-30% of people who’d love a fascist leader. They’re why high-school bullies are popular rather than shunned for being anti-social. They’re fine with people getting hurt as long as they can imagine themselves part of the “strong” side, as that’s the only win and feeling of safety they get.
Why they’re closer to 50% in the US is a more interesting question
It’s not really all that complicated. The Democrats represent the status quo. The status quo sucks. The Republicans present themselves as an alternative to the status quo. So, people vote Republican.
All the centrist messaging just makes it worse. The Republicans can explain why things suck by scapegoating the poor and marginalized. But the Democrats won’t call out the rich and powerful who are the actual reason things suck, so instead they just try to tell people that things don’t suck at all. They “reach across the aisle” to people like Dick Cheney who are clearly part of the political establishment which only serves to help Trump present himself as an outsider. They adopt all these right-wing positions on immigration, the military, etc, but the people that appeals to already have a party waiting on them hand and foot, giving them exactly what they want. And all the bad shit he does doesn’t matter to them because they believe in lesser evilism and hate the establishment.
Of course, Trump is part of the billionaire class and isn’t any sort of real alternative to the existing system, but as long as Republicans are able to paint themselves that way, and are the only “alternative” game in town, people are going to turn to them when they dislike the way things are going, no matter how shitty they are.
I felt surprised and confused in 2016 when Trump won, but it’s been 8 years. It’s long past time to start figuring out where the Trump phenomenon came from.
Granted I don’t understand those people, but this difference between now and 2020 is lack of support for Harris, not increased support for Trump. I’ll add people sitting at home to the list of people I don’t want to associate with.
Trump is so far outperforming compared to 2020, its looking like he did increase his support. Definitely among younger people his numbers are significantly better than 2020.
To be fair, at least 50% of the human population is evil. They always have been! That’s why we had 10,000 years of slavery, feudalism, pyramid schemes, religion. Every nasty thing you can imagine.
I agree that people are stupid for not understanding how terrible Trump was and will be. However, I think a big problem was that the DNC didn’t provide an attractive alternative to excite these dummies.
There was very obviously support for Harris early on when the DNC made some progressive decisions. Getting rid of Biden was a progressive choice. Choosing Tim Walz was a progressive choice. The DNC was immediately rewarded for these progressive choices with $1 billion in small donor donations.
The DNC got arrogant and decided to aggressively move in a conservative direction. Harris started talking about how she would build the wall and prosecute immigrants. The DNC welcomed the Cheneys with open arms. Harris told interviewers that she would be more conservative than Biden by accepting more Republicans in her Cabinet.
The DNC actively threw away their progressive supporters and gained absolutely nothing in return because the voters they were courting would never have voted for Harris anyway. Racists gonna vote Trump. Moderate conservatives gonna secretly vote Trump. People who want Republicans in a Presidential Cabinet are obviously gonna vote Trump.
If the DNC just focused on stuff like being pro choice or going into detail about fighting price gouging, that would have been much more successful than trying to attract the mythical “Moderate Conservative”.
I hate to say it, but progressives lose in battleground states. Everyone dreaming of the DNC moving further left is just that—dreaming.
And I say that as a somewhat progressive person living in a battleground state. If you think a progressive is going to run up the votes in rural Pennsylvania, they aren’t.
And if this pisses you off, well, join the club.
No, look at the polls. They absolutely support Trump.
They are morons.
Trump support increased on many levels.
Kamala had problems. But Trump is stronger than any of us are comfortable with.
I think that for many of his voters, the system doesn’t work anymore for them. So they want it to change and they only see this change possible with Trump and Vance. Very sad.
Obviously the system doesn’t work for most people with wealth inequality increasing every year without exception and people needing 3 jobs to survive. As long as the system is set up such that there are 2 major parties that fight for media attention by begging for money from rich people there will be no improvement for the working class. The working class knows that and they feel that. However, with lying being so normalised on every news station it’s very difficult to point to the right cause, so people lash out and vote for the candidate that promises change instead of the same spiel.
And yet Trump is the party of more and cronyism. Not less.
The is just more of the “drain the swamp” con. People didn’t learn.
So they want to change back to another shitty Trump presidency?
I believe so. He at least promises more system breaking in his unique way. I believe he will do what he said on the campaign including implementing project 2025 ideas.
But the people who voted for him, believe he will improve their situation, even if it means that it will get harder for them in the near term. I believe things won’t improve for these people.
As a non-american, this seems unsurprising. The Harris campaign seemed to be running the same playbook as the Clinton one did. The main reason anyone gave for voting for her was not being trump, effectively making her the satus quo candidate. If everything is shit for you under the current status quo, that doesn’t encourage you to vote for her.
I don’t know either. Maybe everyone should have did more to talk to their shitty parents but who could expect this much BS.
Youth vote leaned into Trump. It’s an across the board / demographics loss for Democrats.
You can’t blame this on the boomers. It wasn’t much leaning but Trump gained support here.
You need to just fully recognize that your brand of politics is falling apart and we need real answers in the next 4 years. It’s going to be even harder after the grifters have even more megaphones drowning out the truth
Every one was focused on their parents we forgot our siblings and children.
For some, it’s just not paying attention and not being happy with the way things are going.
Wisdom will show you. I watch the democrats for the last 3 elections snuff out the popular vote. They tried to pull a fast one in this election and disrespected their voters. It’s a tough pill to swallow, but the democrats have the dirtier shirt for voter manipulation and suppression. This happened 2 times when Bernie Sanders was the popular vote. We didn’t even get to chose this last time.
Fuck right off with that shit. The “dirtier shirt” is the one that was worn storming the fucking capitol building.
As an Australian watching this all unfold I just can’t believe you guys did it again.
I keep refreshing the page hoping for better results but I cannot believe my country is this fucking stupid
Hey now let’s not blame voters for their actions. There is exactly one acceptable blame target for anything and that’s obviously Democrats. Doesn’t matter the topic, it’s always the fault of Democrats. No matter what
We can’t either
Seconded. The first time I was willing to write it off as frustrated voters being misled by a conman. This time is different. You all had four years under this rapist conman and enough people decided they’d go back for seconds. Despicable.
Doesn’t help they ran an unpopular candidate. I voted for Harris but too many racist sexiest people in America in both parties. Hell I heard democrats that joked when they voted for Obama that they voted for his white half. Harris was half black and half Indian. Also lot of black men wouldn’t cote for a woman especially one of color. And I heard a lot of Indian hated that she half black.
Oh definitely. The fascists and brainlets that voted for Trump are joined by the racists and sexists who abstained from voting for Harris. Now we all get to suffer the consequences of their squandered democracy.
Seems to me that the election results are showing just how sexists and racist the country is. People voting for trump because they like him are certainly that and people voting for trump because Harris is female and non white are that too.
From the inside it’s un fucking believable too
You got a room to rent?
You think you’d be welcome? At this point the entire world sees your ‘culture’ as rotten to the core and by extension all its peoples are contaminated. You could be truthfully stating “I didn’t vote for that orange asshole” and nobody is going to risk believing you, nor care.
This cutesy ‘I am moving somewhere else for 4 years’ joke tells me you aren’t taking this seriously which doesn’t help ya’lls case. No, you stay stuck in your shithole country until things are bad enough you fix your shit because ain’t nobody going to save you and it is time you and your ilk learn that.
As a fellow Australian, I don’t understand why you’re surprised.
“Hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil” may be pragmatic, but it doesn’t get people emotionally engaged. It doesn’t get you infectious enthusiasm and passion. It gets you reluctant, dejected compliance, and that simply does not catch fire.
On the other side you have nothing but emotional engagement; god knows it’s not a rational or pragmatic choice there. Trump does nothing but pander to hatred and cruelty and fear and the power fantasies of gullible idiots, and it fucking works. Cheap shallow emotional satisfaction, no matter how stupid an idea it is. You know, like junk food and binge drinking and cigarettes and pokies; things that people know full well are ruining their lives, but they continue to seek them out regardless.
If the dems ever want to win, they will have to make the progressives fall in love with them, and you don’t get that by backing genocide unconditionally, you just don’t.
They didn’t get the oh-god-yes, just a not-no, and that does not equal consent.
Nobody with an eighth of a brain needs that much extra reason to put out a house fire in their own house.
It’s exactly as surprising as they’re saying.
Bruh, you see the whole world moving towards more shittyness as a whole and you think nobody is that stupid?
We are all stupid, you because you prefer to bury your head in the sand instead of dealing with reality as it has shown itself. I have my own brand of stupidity and we’re all responsible for the way the world is turning out.
As an American…I’m just going to crash on your couch for the forseeable future.
Because you’re American we’d prefer you not and actually fix your shit. Sorry, not sorry.
Great job, dipshits. I hope this personally impacts each and every person that voted for him.
Oh it definitely will. Just his tariff plans are gonna turn everywhere into a 3rd world country, not just the republican backwaters.
At this point, it’s just desserts. The US had it coming for even letting him run in the first place. That being said, Republican backwaters are going to get fucked way harder than metro populations. Poor boomers are going to get wiped out without social security, Medicaid, or kids that love them anymore. The south can enjoy the next hurricane without FEMA aid. Have fun watching your loved ones get deported because you thought this only impacted “illegals”, assholes. I have my popcorn ready.
Fuck em.
I agree with everything except that last bit:
Fuck
emall of us.The splashback on this is going to hit everyone. I’m trying really hard not to be alarmist, but what happens with the American government literally has ramifications for everyone. We might not feel the hit right away, but the ripples will lap your shores too…
Unfortunately it’s worse than this. It seems like the GOP has successfully indoctrinated a new generation if incel supporters in high enough numbers to matter. If this trend continues the boomers can die and we’ll still be fucked.
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No, they meant ‘supporters who are incels’, not ‘supporters of an incel’.
Ohh shit, I didn’t even consider the kids canceling the parents.
They will find a way to blame Democrats for it though
If they’re not rounded up and shot…
It’s going to impact an enormous amount of people who didn’t vote for him either though.
Its also going to impact the other 2/3rd of voters that dont give a fuck and dont vote at all. I hate this country so much
It will and they will put it on Biden
It definitely will and they still will blame the other party.
One side of me hopes they outlaw computer games and porn like it’s laid out in project 2025. Unfortunately, it will hit everyone, but I fear that this is gonna happen anyway.
Jesus fucking Christ not again
Actually it’s not gonna be “again”. It’s gonna be way, way worse.
I really feel for the billions of people, including my fucking self, who didn’t get a vote but who still have to suffer the consequences of this.
here we go again…
And they won the Senate and are on track to win the house. The supreme Court is already in Trump’s pocket and even if he choked on a big Mac and keeled over tomorrow that still leaves Vance, who is just as insane as trump but knows how to make his shit palatable to anyone who hasn’t been paying attention, which as tonight proves is more than half the country. We are 1000% well and truly fucked.
Dear anyone that voted for this useless cunt,
You are fucking retarded. Thanks for ruining everything for the rest of us, dipshit.
With absolutely no love, any creature with an actual brain.
Dear anyone that voted for this useless cunt,
…and anyone that didn’t vote for Harris,
FTFY
Fuck.
Welp, I’m going to skip work tomorrow and figure out how to get citizenship elsewhere. Fuck the US.
How much do you make? I’m up for some light marriage fraud if you’d like a Finnish citizenship.
Hahaha. Love it. Happily married though. But in all transparency I make ~$400k in the US, but similar prospects overseas probably pay closer to $80k from what I’ve heard.
I don’t mind a pay cut. But my research this far seems to indicate that settling down somewhere else permanently is difficult.
I’m an American living permanently in Germany. It is difficult, especially keeping on top of paperwork. It’s not impossible though, and even easier if you’re in tech (I’m assuming by the fivefold pay increase). If you learn the language of the place you’re trying to stay, it’s much easier.
Just be aware that Germany is turning more and more right-wing, too…
I’m well aware, but it’s a good sight better off than the US for now. Citizenship in an EU country entitles you to freedom of travel within the EU and residency in any EU country, so once I get that, my husband and I will be able to look at other countries (though really only the Nordic countries and Ireland are better options, that we can see, and those are all pretty expensive comparatively), but even just in Germany, the difference is wild. The institutions here are much stronger, as is the sense of solidarity, so even with the (terrifying) success of the AFD and BSW/FW peeling off votes from the left and more mainstream parties, there’s a very long way to go before Germany is as far to the right as the US. Plus, you have a right to healthcare and much stronger workers’ rights (and rent is way cheaper outside of major cities, I’m talking €400/$440 for a two bedroom).
You can basically live indefinitely in the SEA with US passport (Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia). Find a in a nice liberal bubble with loads of other foreigners as long as you can make 2,000 usd/mo you’ll be quite comfy and free here.
I’ve long given up on being part of the core society and embraced the life in a bubble. It’s pretty awesome! Feel free to message me if you have any questions :)
I wish I were in a position to do this, but between being married and having a cat, dog, and horses…constant moving just doesn’t work.
I’ll leave my job and work at what amounts to a US mini mart. IDGAF. I’m just sick of this country.
I understand and wishing you strength with this 🙏
I hate reality
I’m going to quote one of the great minds of our time.
“Is this real life???”
“Is this going to be forever???”
“aaahhhhhhhUUUGAAAHHHHHHH!!!”
~David after dentist. 2009.
It’s surprising how often a 10 year old high on drugs from 15 years ago is profound in describing situations of the modern day.
I feel physically sick right now. I don’t have the money to leave. I’m an openly gay man. We’re headed for a christofascist dictatorship. I just wanted to stay alive long enough to bury my mother, that’s all, and I probably won’t get to, not in the new American Reich. I know Harris winning wouldn’t fix every problem this country has but please fuck not like this
Take it easy friend. I understand your sentiments, we’re all in this together, humans can and will endure. All your friends who cared for you before are still there, and we’ll fight together to protect each other.
I don’t have any really good friends and judging by the conversation I just had with my family they aren’t taking this seriously enough to want to help me leave.
they’re going to sit by and wait for it to be too late for me to get out.
Welp. Remember guys save money. Those tariffs are gonna hit hard. Make friends, they will help you get through harder times. Workout and become physically stronger, you may need it. Archive books and studies and pieces of knowledge that may get banned.
And for right now, drink some water and go to sleep. No need in worrying about this right now. We’ll have plenty of time to do so anyways.
Where do mariginalized people go now?
To the camps, I think?
I’ll be there once he gets to the gay part of the list.
Gays have a year or two before they are swept into the camps I think. First on the list will be immigrants and trans people in red states. That phase will begin in January. That will take 18 months at least. If they are as incompetent as they’ve been in the past, this phase could take the entire four years until his 3rd term.
Think they can change their last names and blend in if they are lucky?
I think people who can pretend to be cis, straight white conservative christians have the highest chance of long-term survival in red states.
Great now people need to go to church and hang out with those two faced grifters. Paying 10% to blend in.
Most “Christians” have never even cracked open a bible, much less stepped foot into a church. Lie about it. Remember, you’re a Christian now so you’re forgiven. If you don’t sin, then JJ died for no reason.
Yeah I’m sure I’ll be right after. I would like to avoid it all…
Underground railroads. It’s basically already a thing again with abortion.
Assuming northern states can protect them.
Beats me, they’re a decent portion of the people that voted for him.
That was what was terrorizing.
Hey, I know it’s disappointing and inadequate, but no one who fought for you yesterday has forsaken you today. Good luck, friend.
I don’t think they can protect me. My family has been uprooted before thanks to war. I can’t sleep tonight. I dk what to do. I don’t understand why I have so many challenges this year. I’m starting to feel darker thoughts again. I struggled so much in the past and here we go again.
hug
Seasons pass. In two years we will begin to undo what was set in motion today. We survived him before. We will survive him again. Somehow.
Sure but everything is red. Dude is gonna do whatever he wants.
Nuke Spain? Prob gonna do it.
Sanctions? Like he cares and the murican people apparently will thank him for it.
I don’t know, man. I’m trying to hang on here myself. Get some sleep and some perspective. Survive one day at a time. That’s how I got through his first four years.
And I might just withdraw from social media and news. I’m not sure I’m going to want to know what happens over the next four years.
Well it’s probably gonna suck as minority or a woman, or lgbtq+.
All folks I have in my life. But then, I’m getting up there. I’ve definitely lived through more hostile times toward them. But I really hoped my kids wouldn’t have to.
