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Summary
The Taliban have banned windows in homes that allow views of areas where Afghan women might be seen, citing concerns over “obscene acts.”
This new decree mandates blocking or obstructing such windows in existing and new buildings, continuing the group’s systemic repression of women since regaining control of Afghanistan in August 2021.
The Taliban’s policies have included bans on women’s education, public appearances, and voices.
Critics, including the U.N., warn these actions dangerously erode human rights, while activists call out global inaction over the ongoing oppression.
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They’re called the Taliban, not the Taliallow
Fuck it, have the upvote
It would be much easier if they blindfolded men.
The Talibans are soo gay they don’t even want to know about the existence of women.
To stop women from being able to see out. Isolation is torture. One less escape route.
This shit is terrifying.
Jesus fucking Christ. I hadn’t considered that.
They should probably just ban women outright until they learn how to live beside women responsibly
I REALLY want to find an arab woman who’s lived under taliban rule, but also speaks english. I really want to ask her a hypothetical question.
I live in America. I see naked women quite frequently. I live in a society where I’ve literally gone in public, and seen women wearing a thong bikini, basically made of dental floss, and no top.
The logic of the taliban is that women cannot reveal their bodies to men, or it will FORCE the men to abuse and rape the women. I have frequently been in the presense of naked and near naked women. I am a man. I have never beat or raped a woman.
So I want to ask a woman who’s had experience first hand living with the taliban.
Would you feel safer living naked with me everyday? Or fully clothed everyday with the taliban?
People in Afghanistan aren’t Arabs; they’re Afghans. They notably don’t speak Arabic.
:O
My mistake. I legit thought they did.
Soooooooo, what do they speak?
from a quick glance at Wikipedia, the official languages are Dari and Pashto, spoken by 75% and 48% of the population respectively, but many other languages are also spoken
Arabic is only spoken by 1% of the Afghani population, which is less than English (6%)
To be clear, Dari and Pashto are considerably less prevalent than Arabic’s global native speaker estimate you listed. Per Wikipedia, even:
Dari: ~31 million speakers worldwide (~0.38%), and the native tongue for ~50% of Afghanistan
Pashto: ~40 million speakers worldwide (~0.24%), and the native tongue for ~48% of Afghanistan
And, technically, the native speaker stat on a global scale for Arabic is closer to 3% (~310 million = ~4.61%), with English is nearer 4.61% (373 million). Technically. 🤓
Pretty sure they’re talking about the Afghani population here
I included those stats as well. 🙇🏽♂️
The 1% Arabic and 6% English weren’t global speakers but Afghani speakers.
They speak 7 different languages since they are separate groups and the country was drawn by foreign superpowers at the time. So not shaped by a common ethnicity or shared idea like other countries.
That is a creepy-ass thing to ask any woman. WTF dude? They’re probably safer with the Taliban.
No need to burst into outrage over details while burring the lede. Why is this so common around here? Yes, the question can be phrased more sensibly but that’s not important and it’s largely inconsequential to their point. Jfc. lol
What do you mean burying the lede?? His entire creepy post was about asking Afghani women if they would rather live under the taliban or naked in his house.
What kind of a sicko wants to ask that?
I believe the intent was, “Don’t you find it odd that I’ve never beaten or raped a woman, if it is ostensibly inevitable?” Or “How do you explain that I’ve never…”
But it’d make more sense to ask a misogynistic Afghani man. E.g. “Wouldn’t you rather your wife live naked in my home?”
If your goal is to appear less misogynistic - maybe don’t concentrate so much on naked women living in your house?
Goddamn.
NGL, you read like you’re doom-gripping your shaft while you type.
eg. “If your goOooOoal is to appearrr less misAHgynistic-c-c — maybe ^ohygod DON’T concentrate unh. yeah so much on naked WIM’n living in your house?!”
^Goddamn.
No they are not. What do you think happens behind closed doors/windows?
With a sicko who wants you to live naked in his house? Nothing good.
Great idea … just get them to export all the women, then when they want children, ship their semen over, artificially inseminate the women, keep female children, send male children after a few years old to live in Afghanistan with their all male family. Just ban women completely from the country.
There’s an Anime that did gender segregation in a similar way (and for similarly chauvinistic reasons), but on a planetary scale - Vandread.
Until? That’s criminally generous.
The treatment of women in these Islamofascist dictatorships is our version of the holocaust and we’re all just sitting by and watching.
I don’t know what we could even do, but I’m always filled with so much sadness thinking about the women and girls in those countries.
Fuck religion and every preacher scheister spreading that shit.
“My invisible friend in the sky is better than yours !!!”
Christo-faschists in the US are gonna control every part of our goverment and they want women losing the rights to have a period without government intervention.
Taliban bringing the year of the Linux desktop closer wasn’t on my bingo card.
Jokes, but I’m surprised how these misogynistic shitheads can reproduce with how they are afraid of women.
They re not afraid of using women as domestic appliances for reproduction and housekeeping, because they are objects, property. They have problems with other men eyeing their property.
You are correct, but I will never understand how they can see their own mother like this. Who thinks of their mom as an appliance?
Those men will never be loved. Just a bunch of deeply damaged psychopaths.
Well, in your last bit I think you got how. People with little to none emotional bonding, affection and contact, tend to develop psychopathic or at least sociopathic disorders.
My country has never been on that level of misogyny and male dominance, but my dad generation and my grandpa generation were respectively worse than today in terms of women being the house servant, and motherly love and affection was looked down because of the idea it would soften the boys and make them gay or effeminate, too soft to be real men in the future. From young age they learned about your mother and sisters being the ones that occupy themselves with house chores and you are not expected to even learn how to do anything. Males are the ones that bring money, thus deserve to be served.
I see how, in a more extreme setting, your mother is not really more than a human incubator and servant. You had no human contact with her or developed any kind of bond.
I have read about multiple discussions regarding generations after WW2 (Germany) getting too “Soft” because all the men were dead and the sons only raised by mothers. Those discussions were of course… held by the surviving men.
There is a long tradition of how eastern society functions and how women see themselfes in it, BUUUUUUT
Talibs overtook a country modeled after european states with two decades of gender equality and stuff, and them undoing it is not a return to tradition but self-inflicted barbarism to please 50% sausage havers.
I remember a similar thread about this: The European model stuff only happend in a very limited area (cities) while most of the rural country was, is, are, have been the clans now known as “Taliban”… which got literally weaponized by the US during the cold war.
I don’t remember the details but that’s what I think to know about that subject. (I never watched Rambo 2 /s)
The answer is rape
Weak men bring sick times.
year of the Linux desktop
I saw the headline and was like, “well the Lemmy crowd would love this”. One half loves authoritarian regimes, the other half hates windows.
A lot of these stories are thinly sourced and heavily embellished. Any time you read “Enemy county on other side of world does extremely bizarre thing to entire population” headline, take it with an enormous grain of salt.
American tabloid media loves to lie, in order to help justify past and future military conflicts and to stir up hostility against foreign populations.
It’s the same hysterical bullshit we saw in the US, with Trump insisting Haitian immigrants were eating dogs and cats.
Are you suggesting they are manufacturing consent? In my American media?
Yet, Talibs are idiots covering their bigotry under their religion like many in the middle east do.
Talibs are idiots covering their bigotry under their religion
They’re a reactionary response to foreign occupation, like white blood cells flooding your system to stave off a deadly infection. Had the English, the Russians, or the Americans approached Afghans peacefully and equitably, rather than charging in guns blazing time after time, you might not see these militant rejections of western culture.
But for whatever reason, Americans simply cannot grasp why a foreign nation would rise up in violent rebellion against a military that systematically kidnaps and rapes local children.
You take away their agency and their choice to create a backwards society. We can thank americans for creating a disfunctional corrupt house of cards that felt apart once they left, pepper it with their many crimes, but both Talibs in 2001 and Talibs in 2021 were to pack women in trash bags and make spotty readings of Quran the law once they get a chance. Probably, in coming decades, we’d see how they outlive the influence of murricans and their own overcompensation for that, but I just can’t see how that clique can create anything but conservative manocentric shithole with only variable being if they do or don’t become the worlds first opioid farm.
We can thank americans for creating a disfunctional corrupt house of cards that felt apart once they left
Not merely a corrupt and dysfunctional state, but a narco-trafficking cartel. The Taliban’s war on the US occupation is fundamentally a Drug War against local cartel bosses spearheaded by a radical ideological movement. Its the same radical ideology that powered Indochinese Maoists during the 20th century and Prohibitionist/Abolitionist Americans during the 18th century.
both Talibs in 2001 and Talibs in 2021 were to pack women in trash bags and make spotty readings of Quran the law
The strict religious ideology of the Taliban is pitted against the rampant lawless violence and sexual abuse popular among the Northern Alliance cartels that the US has been supporting since the 1970s. It’s not entirely unlike the shitty American Two-Party System. Your options are far-right religious zealotry or shameless money obsessed corporate sellouts. Except, instead of playing tug-of-war at the ballot box, they’re outright bombing and shelling one another.
Very hard to talk about the Taliban without talking about how much of the country was obliterated by American marines and artillery for the crime of living in proximity of a Taliban sympathist or ideologue.
How many women were torn to shreds by shrapnel or immolated in the flames of a fuel bomb? How many starved to death under siege or were kidnapped as spoils of war by mercenaries? How many became insurgents themselves, after watching family, friends, and loved ones butchered or press-ganged into the poppy fields by occupying armies?
Probably, in coming decades, we’d see how they outlive the influence of murricans and their own overcompensation
The final stroke by the departing American army was to walk away with the nation’s foreign currency reserves and plunge eastern end of the country into the same famine that had plagued the west for decades. Now the only place Afghanis can turn for outside aid is like-minded Islamists in Pakistan and Turkmenistan or the secularists across the border in Communist China.
The “best” you can hope for in this scenario is Afghanistan aligning with America’s largest geopolitical rivals.
Asking why Afghanis would submit to Taliban rule really ignores how the Taliban managed to preserver and recover a popular mandate after twenty years of US occupation. In this case, they were literally the lesser of two evils. But how much evil can the country endure over the long term? Idk. That’s what really remains to be seen.
In the end, we could be looking at a mass depopulation event like what we’ve seen across North Africa, the Levant, and the Saudi Peninsula.
Seriously, what is the point of trying to control women this way? Or really in any matter? I’ve never understood it. Are people really that scared and threatened by women? What is the end game for people who do things like this?
Individually, they’re probably racing for social status by demonstrating more extreme versions of the existing set of rules.
It’s a common thing in human cultures to gain social status by exemplifying a more extreme version of whatever the social norm is.
In this case, the norm got established as “special niche for women” and now it’s a runaway process of status-seeking.
Kinda like peacocks and their feathers. Instead of sexual selection in the case of peacocks, this is social selection as men compete for higher and higher status by having more and more ridiculous displays of “look how well I embody this control women rule”.
So it’s not like they’re trying to engineer some specific social benefit. That is, ostensibly, the reasoning. But in actuality, each man who proposes or backs and further encroachment on the women is doing so for his own selfish gain: in the form of social status.
Kinda like there’s no utilitarian value to having ridiculously huge hats, but a person in a culture where big hats signal status can gain prestige by putting on a bigger hat.
This is social status seeking, in the form of purity demonstration.
Thanks, that helps me understand it better. In my head I was comparing it to systems like apartheid. Which with apartheid there are clear economic benefits for the oppressors. Like cheap/slave labor and by having more opportunities than others. I’m not saying I agree with any of that, but I see why people would do it. But with the Taliban being such a part a patriarchal society to begin with, you would think at some point the oppression would have negative impacts on the oppressors. Of course, there I go trying to apply logic and reasoning for hatred and oppression.
I think the peacock comparison you made is perfect. I still can’t comprehend how anyone could belittle another person to make themselves feel better, but it tracks. Thanks for the great response.
Yup. In any group you’ll always have those who seek status by being more extreme than the rest. Others in the group feed this by giving them their applause and attention. You see this in even something as trivial as a shared interest groups like hiking or biking. Here the Taliban making this decision (and not all of them want this) are showing they are “more devout and better Muslims than the rest” and also trying to justify their positions.
It is also a good way to deflect attention from the fact that the economy is shit and the Taliban have been lousy rulers.
One way to win support is to pit one group against another. It makes them (the ones on top) feel good and deflects attention from those in charge. Here the woman are used to being treated poorly and many of them even aid in their own oppression. “This is the way it has always been.”
Really glad that they solved so many problems that peeping toms are now the biggest problem in the country. That’s what’s happening here, right?
Yeah they already took care of women in policing and girls in school.
Reminds me if that weird movie the film professor made us watch. Where the guy see the girls ankle because if the wind and then chases her down to rape her. I don’t understand wtf this was for but I strongly suggest porn to desensitize if this is the alternative.
Okay my first thought this is Microsoft Windows, and was very confused how people can be seen though a OS. And I later convinced myself maybe this is about Zoom calls.
Ha
I thought they see it as a spyware
I mean, they are not entirely wrong…
How backwards and idiotic a religion can become.
They all have Android-Smartphones and access to Porn. What does Windows have to do with it?
/s
I was also confused about what Microsoft has to do with women being seen in their homes 🤣
What “obscene acts” are they referring to? Are they afraid someone might see a woman reading a book?
They are afraid a man seeing a woman will cause him to rape her.
By that logic every sauna should be a rape orgy. Turns out, that’s not the problem. But what can you expect from a religion with a „She asked for it“ mindset.
Okay no matter what issues you have with Islam generally, trying to generalize Taliban actions to Islam in general doesn’t make sense. These people aren’t just fundamentalist or whatever, they’re legit batshit insane. Also just to make that clear, Islam doesn’t have a “she asked for it” mindset.
I have a problem with religion in general. It is always a tool of oppression. It doesn’t really matter if how you slice it, but the abrahmic religions are just especially bad. You always have the the priest class that is better than the rest and most of the time the incredulous are worth nothing. The fundamentalists just make this inherent property of religion stronger and worse.
Even if what you said was true, you’re not backing your claim about the “she asked for it” mindset.
You always have the the priest class that is better than the rest
Okay lemme tell you: That is straight up projection. Only Christianity has that. Maybe Judaism does too I’m not sure about that one, but I can tell you that Islam sure as hell doesn’t. Islam is, surprisingly enough, not organized religion in the sense atheists in the West like to hate about. In fact, it’s very critical of the way Judaism and Christianity put their priests above their stations, likening it to worship in at least one instance.
most of the time the incredulous are worth nothing.
The who?
So imams don’t have more social influence than the average Muslim at the mosque?
Lemme answer as an Egyptian Muslim:
That depends on what you mean by “social influence”, but “imam” only really means “someone who leads the prayer” so it’s not really a big deal in and of its own. Hell, in many/most mosques the imam can’t come for all prayers so you’ll have random community members leading the prayer the other times. The concept of the imam of a mosque is really more one of convenience than anything else.
That said, the “official” (as in appointed by the government or whoever runs the mosque) imam of a masjid is also often/most of the time an Islamic scholar, which culturally and religiously is a career that commands a certain around of respect. He also usually lead any charity work they have in the mosque (in mine they make food for poor community members daily during Ramadan and weekly otherwise). That’s it. The whole thing is rather mild; they range from just community to respectable community members, and they don’t get to demand obedience or have any sort of decisive power. Also on an institutional level, I can for example tell you that the modern Azhar is full of shit and reject their rulings if I think that another ruling makes more sense, which happens a lot, without needing to create a whole new sect stares at Protestantism.
BTW just to make that clear, an Islamic scholar is anyone who studied Islam and reached a certain degree of proficiency; it’s something anyone can become and not gatekept by an institution. I could become an Islamic scholar if I wanted to right now (and had the brainpower to remember all the stuff they’re supposed to remember) without having to go to the Azhar or any other institution.
That’s probably what they’re thinking. (And they should totally lock those men up…)
But I’m thinking the real problem is that they were sending messages through the windows and they can’t have that.
THE HORROR!!!
LOL, how about just move back to caves
