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Summary
Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai condemned the Taliban’s treatment of women at a Pakistan summit on girls’ education in Muslim communities, stating, “The Taliban do not see women as human beings.”
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Afghanistan is the only country banning education for girls beyond grade six, affecting 1.5 million girls.
Malala urged Muslim leaders to challenge these practices and advocate for girls’ education globally.
The Taliban declined to attend or comment.
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The f’n MAGAts and the Taliban share a lot in common.
There’s a reason they call 'em “Ya’ll-Qaeda” lol
Capitalists are more efficient than both.
They don’t see almost anyone as human.
capitalism is what broke up gender norms; if a woman or a man presses a button for 8 hours what does a capitalist care?
Haha I’m going to assume the comment wasn’t giving the Taliban or Ya’ll-qaeda a pass with a whataboutism.
They don’t see almost anyone as human.
But it’s okay you can drop the “almost”. To them, humans are just another speculative resource that responds to market manipulation! XD
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The word “chattel” sometimes gets used in conversations like this one, and I think we should stop doing that. It’s a confusing word that most people don’t understand, and is often confused with “cattle” ie cows. I mean just look at this definition:
Chattel is a catch-all category of property associated with movable goods . At common law , chattel included all property other than real property . Examples include leases, animals, and money.
TBH I think “livestock” is a better word all around. It means live animal property, which is accurate. People know what it means. And it has the right negative connotations, too: associating human beings with pigs and chickens, as if they’re on the same level.
If the US had not invaded Afghanistan and done such a shitjob the Taliban would have been overthrown by now. The Taliban was highly unpopular in 2001, but thanks to the US fucking everything up, they regained more land than they had otherwise by 2017 or so.
The Taliban was highly unpopular in 2001,
Fuck’s sake, the Northern Alliance was hard-pressed in 2001.
Nothing’s certain with alternate scenarios. Perhaps Taliban would have eventually fallen, perhaps not. In the meanwhile, countless people will suffer under those goat fuckers.
But it was very profitable for weapons dealers so that makes everything OK.
She isn’t wrong. Imagine not seeing half of the population as human, even though they carried you and everyone who has ever been born in the womb for 9 months and gave birth to you.
I live in the United States. I don’t have to imagine, I can see it up close.
JFC can you guys stop acting like your country is the worst place to ever exist? The situation for American women is nowhere as bad as it is for Afgan women. (yet)
they’re just getting into the government, be patient
JFC you don’t even live in the U.S. and you want to tell me that the type of people who would be happy to have American women in the same situation as Afghan women don’t exist here?
Imagine comparing the situation in the united States, where women have favorable hiring and scholarship status, to the Taliban state where women are literally property and not allowed to get a job or education under threat of death. Like actual death, not someone online telling you something rude.
Who compared the situation? This is about comparable view of women.
We just elected in a man and party that want us to be the Christian version of the taliban.
There’s also many areas where women are treated the same in the USA.
Nah fam. I’m a woman living in Texas and I’ll take fighting for abortion rights and closing the wage gap here in the US over living in Afghanistan any day of the week.
Our situations are not even close, and I think you know that.
What part of the USA disallows women the right to go to high school or to speak in public?
I hate the direction the U.S. is going as much as any sane person but it’s a disservice to everyone to say that women in Afghanistan and women in the U.S. are treated the same.
Literally can’t be more wrong
Religious bigots in power, what to expect?
Hey according to some that’s okay, because at least they know what a woman is:
That’s okay I’m sure her fellow “women’s rights” defenders wouldn’t do something awful like make fun of Malala’s experiences:
Ofcourse JK Rowling likes that first tweet. What a vile piece of excrement
J.K. Rowling invented “fragile femininity.”
She loses her shit any time anyone tries to broaden or complexity the narrow little definition she is stuck on. She just can’t handle it. A woman has to mean exactly what she says it does, or her femininity is under attack. Such an asshole.
You seem like person who can handle it What’s a women then?
Woman is a gender identity which is a socially constructed notion. Whether you’re a trans woman or a midwestern blonde beauty queen, it’s just as much of a made-up complex. It can and does have different meanings in different cultures and contexts. It is distinct from any clinical criteria such as genitalia, chromosomes, etc - it has never been able to be mapped to any of those cleanly so I don’t try. You have the genitalia you have, which is none of my concern. You present yourself as a woman, then that’s how I’m going to take you.
Because I’m pretty open minded I am willing to support multiple answers to this question as valid. However tolerance comes into a conundrum when it comes to tolerating intolerance. I tend to resolve this by not tolerating intolerance, hence my disgust for JKR. If you want to attend the party you have to agree to have fun with everyone there. If you’re going to object to some guests being present, fine, and you can leave. That’s my policy in my house, and that’s my policy for the bigger picture too.
Same argument could said about Race then, it’s also a “social construct notion” right?
There’s very few labels for groups of people that aren’t social constructs. Ethnicity is also a social construct, for example, and it’s quite different from the nebulous concept of race.
100%.
People have different hair and skins colors and skull shapes and hair types and they may share some or many or none or one of these genes with this person and these other genes with that person.
But the idea that there are these huge groups of people who are some kind of “species” is ridiculous and unsupported. People club together with others of their skin color because families share more genes and everyone has fear of The Other.
That’s it. “White” for example is the most fake bullshit concept in history. I’m the son of an Arab but he happens to have blue eyes so I pass as “white.” Italians in the US used to be considered some kind of dark skin other but then over time they magically became “white.” At some points in some places, Japanese were considered “white” but Chinese were not. You might think someone is “white” but then you find out they’re Jewish and you scratch your head and say “huh… are Jews ‘white?’” And you don’t actually know.
Because it’s totally fucking made up. People will dress it up as “western civilization” or whatever the fuck but it’s entirely invented. It has a very real effect, mind you, but there’s no actual there there. Entirely a mirage. There is more genetic diversity in Africa than the rest of the world combined many times over.
Then would be okay for a “white” skin person to claim that they’re “Black” and say the N-word etc right?
Jfc people are gross
Sometimes the smartest person in the room is a woman. By refusing to educated women, they are limiting the intellectual growth and capabilities of their own culture. Cultures with fair, balanced rules, and systems of living, for everyone regardless of race, gender, or any other thing people imagine matters, will have a stronger society in almost all aspects from that alone. Because most of the things people imagine matter. Don’t. In fact, what matters, is the actual intellectual capabilities of the individual, not how you or anyone else perceives them.
In fairness it’s the Taliban. They’re not exactly renowned for being interested in intellectual growth.
Something about the “not human” phrasing is bothering me. I get what they’re trying to convey and I don’t dispute it, but it also feels inaccurate in a way that might lead us to miss important aspects of the situation.
I’m sure if you asked an Afghan man how many people live in his home, he’d include women and children in his answer. So I don’t think they literally see women as a separate species.
My gut feeling is more like Afghan men don’t generally believe in the concept of human rights, as opposed to separate sets of rights for men and women. Hell, they may not even believe in the Western concept of rights at all, and may think only in terms of things like religious obligations and cultural norms.
I wonder if there’s a different phrasing we could use that has the same emotional impact but doesn’t suggest questionable conclusions about the world view of Afghans.
I’m sure if you asked an Afghan man how many people live in his home, he’d include women and children in his answer.
I’m not so sure. I have zero basis to think it’s one way or another, but given all the oniony-but-actually-pure-facts headlines of these recent… months? I’m definitely not certain of it.
you shouldn’t base your thinking on western news which generally have an incentive to exaggerate everything related to Afghanistan and taliban.
there’s a recent video from a non-muslim youtuber called Arab going to the taliban and vlogging his experience, from what I saw in his video the taliban aren’t as bad as the headlines suggest, I don’t really like the guy but the videos are good.
the fact that they don’t give girls the same rights as boys are facts, but there’s more to it than just “girl less than boy” as the media portrays it, you need to understand the culture more before coming to conclusions like that the afghans think of women as subhuman.
When incels have complete control, basically.
It’s probably good they have basic religious differences or Republicans and the Taliban would have joined forces by now.
Lore accurate abrahamic religions are peak incelcore. They remove the incel stuff to make it more appealing for the less hardcore fanbase.
Statistically speaking you are wrong. There are around a billion Muslim and a few thousands of Taliban.
Statistically speaking do not look at womenstats maps and draw your own conclusions from countries frequenting the list of most anti women maps. Historically do not look at how christians have been treating women as well.
She isn’t wrong to say this.
ahhh the wonders of religion. humanity’s self-induced blight
It’s the sickness and its own cure! Just like other drug addictions.
I can assure you that misogyny is not a result of religion, religion is just used to excuse it.
And because it’s excused it’s allowed to exist.
Ah yes, but other ideologies which have been destructive are not? I hope you’ll be consistent in pointing out the secular states of today continue to wreak havoc, death and destruction in the middle east and Africa. (Let’s not forget colonialism)
And the secular atheist communist states of Russia and China, those didn’t commit ethnic cleansing and killed millions of people?
I’ll just mention the destruction that the USSR brought to Kazakhstan that lingers to this day as an example.
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Says right there it is opposite of what the religion teaches?!
At least wait until there is an article that confirms your bias to spit your poison, dude.
Religion is not what religion teaches.
Look what they do, not what they say.
I look at neither. I look at what the scripture says.
Then you are a fool.
then you should already know it isn’t.
well, it isn’t, so that’s that
Why do you jump to religion and not simply conclude that the Talibans are massive incels? You do realize that out of two billion Muslims only the Taliban are doing this shit right? Malala is calling them un-Islamic for a reason.
religion is in itself a ridiculous premise, and the type is largely irrelevant (islam/christianity).
they are a disease that should be eradicated. humanity will never move forward with such archaic ideas.
It also specifically should be mentioned how Judaism is a disease. People think Judaism is somehow “better” or “more tolerant”, as a Jewish person myself I can personally confirm that Judaism is just as capable of oppression and violent hatred (just look at Ben Gvir).
Ok will you be consistent and mention the same of other ideologies that have wreaked havoc? By the way you associate things you have to acknowledge the death and destruction brought upon by secular and atheist states from colonialism to modern day imperialism.
I’ll list some examples of states that caused a lot of death and destruction:
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USSR a secular atheist state that killed millions and committed ethnic cleansing. (One ex. Is what they did in Kazakhstan)
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USA and France and their invasion of Vietnam
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All that was done by secular states in the colonial era
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all that is being currently by secular states in the neo colonial era
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US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
I can keep going.
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all religions were created by con artists. theyre just tools used to control other humans. its nothing more than that.
islam itself founded by a pedophilic warlord. volume of the indoctrinated is irrelevant. kinda funny how the best predictor of which of these cults any particular human follows is geography.
Just ignore this troll. You’re giving him a platform.
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o0o0 sick burn. hard to refute reality.
every holy book has been written by humans with something to gain in their use. christianity responsible for some of the largest swaths of dead humans in the crusades. the bible crafted by carefully selected passages by humans across millennia. even modern bullshit like mormonism and scientology, created by documented con artists. but oh no, yours is the ‘one true’ religion.
all religions are false Except yours, right? cuz yours is somehow special?
I’m an atheist. It’s not.
I mean the other guy seems to not understand that ideas spread geographically so yeah, not a good look.
Dude there’s no point trying to engage reddit atheists
Reddit? What’s that?
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Because their religion literally teaches them to treat women like shit?
And it’s not only them doing this. They all have shit women’s rights records.
Look at Rojava in Kurdistan (you did say “all” Muslims, no taking that back). It’s like saying the Christian religion is the reason the crusades were bad and not because they were violent men with horrible ideas. Innocent people worship innocently. I don’t like jihadists or Islamic nationalists or caliphates either, but I at least don’t attribute that to Muslims entirely, just the stupid ones. Most people don’t understand the difference between those who just want to be Muslim (look at Islamic people in Kurdistan and, yes, even Israel who has many religions living together relatively peacefully to the US) and those who want jihad and intifadas and Islam-directed oppression via the state. That’s because you believed the propaganda.
There are religious nuts in Islam. They are jihadists. Hamas was the suicide bombers back in the 2000s. The taliban, ISIS, ISIL, Al-queda, the Houthis, Al-Shabaab, etc etc. They are all Islamic nationalists. It’s like seeing an American and assuming they’re transphobic just because MAGA is.
They all have shit women’s rights records.
I’m sure this is a well-researched claim and not something you just made up, but let’s not get into that.
And it’s not only them doing this.
Literally no Muslim country in the world is as insane about oppressing women as Taliban Afghanistan. And that includes even the notorious ones like Iran. Nothing in Islamic beliefs or the behavior of Muslim countries resembles the ridiculousness of Taliban policies, and you should learn at least that before you shit on other people’s cultures.
It is very clearly not only taliban. Extremist groups are, shocker, more extreme. Muslim religion and culture tends to treat muslim women as second class citizens. The more western the muslim country, the more they treat women like equals. Christians treat lbtq communty like shit and you wouldn’t say americans in 70s were extremist christian nutjobs as it was standard to be homophobic, part of the culture.
Wow, neither do US republicans. So much in common.
They’re also both religious fundamentalists who have very little care for religious scripture but love using religious imagery as a tool of oppression, huh they really are alike.
The dichotomy of the west running a literal concentration camp in Gaza and then taking the moral high ground on Afghanistan as if that is where human life is not valued is hillarious.
“The Taliban declined to attend or comment.”
Well yeah, they don’t think a person was talking.
Really how is this news? The Taliban don’t think woman are people, and water is wet.
We armed the wrong sex in Afghanistan…
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Suggesting that Muslim men love to fuck camels is definitely not perpetuating any racist stereotypes at all.
