Archived copies of the article:
El Salvador shouldn’t take immigrants from a banana republic
Germany 1933-45. Right out of the book.
Plenty of European countries try to do this also
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?.. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation… We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
The inevitable progression of insane orange logic.
Buy a gun and fight for your life or you’ll die in prison.
If it comes down to that, we’ve already lost.
Right now, I’d advise people to do as much outreach as possible to people you know. If you’re on commercial social media, post a screenshot, put the link in a comment. Send a DM. Put up stickers.
Building the level of support that would be necessary to win a revolution likely makes nonviolent paths such as impeachment possible.
The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support. Not as a first choice.
Put up stickers
Fuckin Americans LOL.It’s not about winning. It’s about resisting. You don’t only resist when you have good odds of winning. The people that fought the Warsaw ghetto uprising knew they would die. It is better to die taking down a few Nazis then to die on their terms.
TLDR: Get a gun. Fuck ICE. They’re Nazis.
The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support.
That’s one part of it, but also people should be defending themselves and their communities from ICE and one way to do that is guns. When an ICE agent is arresting your neighbor the correct option isn’t to preach nonviolence, but to pull the damn trigger.
In practice, what I’ve seen people do is to use large crowds. I haven’t yet seen any overt use of guns for that kind of defense.
This is great when it works and you have the numbers. But long term that is not a solution and not a solution all the time. A gun is a solution at all times. Get one before they don’t let you.
If they are coming for you it’s not a “misunderstanding”. You wont be able to talk your way out of it by being nice and doing what they say. They are Nazis. They are taking you to a death camp.
They don’t care if you’re a citizen. They didn’t care when it was a green card.
Stay in your home and defend it. Coordinate with your neighbors. Have one of them to call to bring additional resistance and pressure. But have a gun. Because when they break down your door. That’s it.
Organizing with your community to protect each other is the best thing you can do. And part of that is making sure you are all prepared and armed.
Large crowds are awesome because if you kill one person in the crowd
The murderer is judged by a jury of his peers and sentenced then and there.
Damn right. “Please don’t arrest me, I was born here” depose.
That’s remarkably hard to do in any kind of reliable way. ICE snatches are fast, and the odds of being there with a gun and recognizing what’s going on are low. The odds of shooting somebody by mistake are high.
To date things like handing out red cards has been far more effective
ICE agents exist outside of ongoing raids. They sleep in beds and shop in stores.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
“Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
Centrists like you got us here. Status quos. Call your rep. Go chant in a circle and pray for a better life.
See where that got us? Don’t like being shot at? Don’t be a cunt.
Realistically the lazy, stupid, and fascism supporters got us here.
I just don’t feel comfortable bringing a gun into my house. I don’t think I stand a chance against 10 automatic-wielding ICE agents.
that will just give them an excuse to murder you immediately, and then the right to murder anyone immediately.
although I’m not sure what else can be done, without saying anything illegal that might get me in an FBI watchlist and give me expedited tickets to a free vacation in el Salvador
I’m just incredulous that anyone here believes they have a chance against a militarized police and immigration force. Feels very much like when the right pretended they could defend themselves against the government “taking their guns.” 99% of civilians, gun owners or not, have no chance.
If you’re talking about organized resistance, the police can be greatly outnumbered. Mostly unarmed people took over a precinct during BLM protests.
If talking about defending yourself in your home, I’d rather die quickly at home than at a prison that tortures people. Hell, I’d rather die than spend 20+ years in a regular US prison.
I will take my chance of stand off and quick death over being in prison in another state with no future.
When the law break in How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement Or waiting in death row
You can crush us, you can bruise us.
You would be surprised how comically inept most LEOs are. They are regular people too. Take your chances.
Then you can learn to fly drones. You might stand a chance against a combat helicopter with a good drone. :) And if things don’t hit the fan, you just have a nice and peaceful hobby. :)
Let’s be honest. If they come for you, you’re going. Still, take someone with you on the way out.
Oh for sure. I’m not Rambo. I’m just a biter.
It depends on how many neighbors turn out to help them.
Or leave if you can
And go where? Gotta work. Gotta eat. At a certain point if you’re not in the top 5% of applicants, you’re screwed. Your choice is die on your knees or die fighting.
No place on earth is far enough away from the fuckwits who control everything. I wish leaving the US would be the end of it, but everywhere sucks.
Hence “if you can”. I’m currently making it work, but I know it’s not an option for everyone. And yes, it’s gonna suck worldwide, but I’d rather not remain in a country that wants to throw me in a concentration camp because of my skin color or gender identity.
There aren’t many countries that can’t slip into that at any moment. Germany has rising right-wing influence. China is already there. Canada is getting… weird. Anything south of the border is a little sketchy. Where are you going?
So your solution is to stay in a country that is actively in the early stages of full blown genocide against people exactly like me? Please answer as to why the fuck I would want to stay here if I have the chance to get out? I’ve spent the last 25ish years of my life fighting for the right to simply exist and no one gave a shit, so fuck staying.
It’s impressive how much of the recent deportation scheme leans on the cooperation of one tin-pot state.
There aren’t that many other places with concentration camps conveninently located and leadership ready to deal. It’s unlikely they’d build them domestically, it would take time, cost a fortune, and not achieve the explicit “we removed the evil foreigners” goal.
It would be interesting to see what happened if someone said “we’ll pay you more than what America is paying to close the door.” Would he have to just knock on every presidential palace in the hemisphere looking for a new partner? Try to scale Guantanamo 100x overnight?
It may even become a self filling cycle, though I don’t know if they have even thought this far ahead.
1: Send legal Americans to Salvador prisons
2: Said Americans attempt to return
3: “Look at our border crisis!”
4: Fool idiots into thinking that there is now a border crisis, even though it’s previously legal Americans in every sense of the word.
5: Blame “liberals”
6: Rinse repeat
It’s easier if you’re not ideologically consistent, maybe we sell their labor to North Korea for some peace. But if there were ideological consistency, it would be to trade these poor souls on the block chain.
Who could’ve seen this coming?
I think they should do that to any US Citizen with 34 convictions or more… starting with the orange ones!
Funny thing is the criteria they talk about would impact Melania Trump and Elon Musk, both of whom became citizens under false pretenses.
The plan is of course to send people whose skin color is too dark or hold left-wing views to the death camp in El Salvador.
Or people who aren’t cis enough or straight enough, or anyone who makes a Republican man feel confused in his pants.
Let’s face it, they want to remove everyone except around 77 million mentally ill sycophants. My guess is to fully bring in the fourth reich with WW3 and the ultimate goal of global dominion until only their kind is left. They don’t care about anything else. If they accomplish that I would assume they would start eating each other until only one is left.
Yes, the key thing about fascism is that the list of enemies must always be growing. Anyone who thinks they’re safe doesn’t realize this. Sooner or later each of us will be on the list.
That too. I think it’s a pretty long list, and I don’t claim to have any deep insight into the order.
Call it rule 34
Yes, Google that, it explains everything!
Fucking fascist
Mexican Joker? Is that you?
All while they insist that it is impossible for them to have anyone returned from there; even if the person was sent there "by mistake " in direct violation of multiple court orders, even if there are court orders to repatriate the person, and even if those orders come from SCOTUS.
You can’t repatriate the dead.
“Oops, how did we know that they would end up dead?”
Narrator “They knew.”
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt confirmed this week that the president has discussed this idea privately, too, adding he would only do this “if it’s legal.” […] Stephen Yale-Loehr, a retired immigration law professor at Cornell University, tells Rolling Stone he worries Trump could try to deport citizens anyway, court precedent be damned, given how the administration seems to be “attacking on all fronts and worrying later whether their actions are legal. So unfortunately, it would not surprise me if we saw at least one plane load of incarcerated U.S. citizens being shipped off to El Salvador.”
Oh, at least one
“It’s not like we would send everybody there — but depending on the case, it can be an option,” says one of the people familiar with the matter,
Riiiiight. That’s what they said about the deportations, that it would only be the worst, most violent criminals taken into custody and returned home. Instead they’re snatching people off the streets and out of their homes, throwing them into vans, moving them around the country so their families, friends and lawyers can’t find them, and sending into a death camp that’s not under control of US law, without due process and no possibility of return.
