• WuceBrillis@lemm.ee
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    7 days ago

    I mean, i never really stopped calling people like Rogan and Trump retarded… But calling it a great cultural victory, is just… Retarded.

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    I’m not american and don’t care about politics but I was watching a show the other day and when Rogan appeared as a guest I had to shut off after 5 minutes. This person is so annoying I couldn’t stand. Don’t know how you guys do it. I didn’t even liked him in newsradio and I loved the show.

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    You see, the problem with that word is that people who want to keep it around really make me wanna use it.

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    7 days ago

    They can describe themselves again. I suppose that could be considered cultural restoration?

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    How could this word even be removed. Unlike the N word it actually has legitimate uses. I didn’t even know it was “bad” to say.

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    It must be nice to have so much money and freedom from consequences that that’s the kind of thing that bothers you.

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      Or such little money and brain cells that that’s the thing that inspires you to go out and vote against your own interests

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      I’m absolutely convinced that there’s a certain threshold of money/power/privilege that just destroys a person’s humanity.

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        Nah, you’ve got it backwards. You don’t pursue that level of money/power/privilege unless you lack humanity. These guys were always shit, but power made them more effective at being shit.

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    Lol, I’ll never understand these people. The word “retard” was never gone. At no point was it illegal or impossible to say it, similar to any other word. The worst consequence for saying something that’s bound to piss people off is just that, pissed off people. You never faced jail time and I can’t think of anyone “canceled” for it.

    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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      The word “re----” was

      The gusp I gasped was so intense that I broke the pearls I was clutching.

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      The worst consequence for saying something that’s bound to piss people off is just that, pissed off people.

      There was a real moment during which celebrity reactionaries feared The R-Word would result in the kind of deplatforming and loss of advertising patronage historically reserved for The N-Word or any of the Seven Words You Can’t Say On TV (which, curiously, did not include the N-Word at the time).

      So the worst consequences wouldn’t have simply been “pissed off people”. Perhaps they’d have endured lawsuits, de-platforming, or even vigilante violence (not uncommon in religiously-tinged censorship - like with the Piss Christ display or the Draw Mohammad contest).

      You never faced jail time and I can’t think of anyone “canceled” for it.

      Not when the current regime is friendly to your operation, no.

      But if you look at what’s happening to pro-Palestinian activists and Women’s Liberation organizations, it’s obvious that state and civil institutions have lots of tools for fucking people over based entirely on their stated political views. The real defense that Rogan, et al enjoy is having their friends in charge.

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    It never left. Using it still makes you look like an asshole.

    All these “free speech absolutists” still don’t realize that free speech does not mean immunity from consequences of that speech from your fellow citizens. It’s almost like they just haven’t paid attention for their entire lives.

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      I mean, their position falls apart when you ask them what they think about the college students being oppressed for protesting.

      They do not care about free speech. They care about experiencing social consequences when using hate speech.

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        Yes. And it’s just hypocrisy all the way down: otherwise, as you say, we wouldn’t hear anything negative about the left exercising right to protest.

        On top of r/conservative is a post about “the algorithm” flooding someone’s feed with news about US protests. Of course, the response wasn’t “hey great! Look at all those people exercising their right to free speech!”. Instead, it’s just bitching and claims of fake news (and no understanding that there really may be significant protests right now – just automatically, they must be false). There is no logic for people who can no longer discern facts from opinions.

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      I do not care about the word or what language people use broadly, as long as they’re using their “offensive words” to punch up.

      If you’re punching up, if you’re attacking power, I do NOT care and genuinely wish people would pull the gloves off more. But Joe Rogan IS power, he is so high up that anywhere he punches is down. People with great power who use language recklessly need to be knocked down for abusing the power behind their language.

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        So calling Trump a regard is acceptable then?

        That’s not a gotcha - tbh the “left”, to the extent there is such a thing in the US, would be more likable if it used the language of the actually existing working class to communicate its criticisms of capital. Tone policing is not an effective way to organize the proletariat or to spread class consciousness

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      You are a asshole for calling someone retarded. It is so incredibly offensive that you have to be a special kind of jerk to say it.

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        What about the word is offensive?

        Is it just as offensive as calling someone stupid, moronic, dumb, or an idiot?

        Is it that insulting someone’s intelligence is inherently offensive? Or is it just that it’s one of the most recent to become medically obsolete?

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          i can only speak for my experience. growing up autistic, i was targeted due to my different ways of thinking and acting for bullying, using the r-word to belittle and demean me, far too many times, for hearing it used to mean ‘bad’ to feel like anything but an attack on me or those like me. when someone uses the r-word casually, it hurts, and a fully automatic system, borne of hard experience, files that person away as a probable threat. i don’t understand why people want to use the word so badly, knowing it hurts people, and knowing it’s not necessary or even all that useful of a word.

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          It is much worse as it implies that they are disabled due to there extremely low intelligence. The word by itself isn’t bad but you shouldn’t call someone retarded.

          I believe it comes from the metal retardation diagnosis from 70 years ago or so.

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            Not trying to be an ass here, just genuinely curious, the words “idiot” or “moron” or “imbecile” which were also in the same diagnostic tools as “retarded” so what makes them different?

            I have seen earnest attempts at starting movements to abolish these words as well, (and usually at that point a lot of people start tuning the conversation out,) so I’m wondering where people’s feelings are on the broader topic or if it’s the use of the singular word and how it’s used that bothers people the most.

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              I think, though I could be wrong, that when many of us were growing up, the words “idiot” and “moron” had already shifted meaning. So we learned them without the connotation of mental capacity and disabled people. But “retarded” still meant both things.

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                But calling someone an idiot is explicitly insulting their intelligence just the same.