Oh great! You made me remember Coco and now I am crying again. Thanks a lot!
Recuérdame…
I want to argue against it but I’m too fat to dispute it.
I won’t stand for this!
plops down heavily into chair panting
Before people take this too seriously, I think Toy Story was set in America and so was Inside Out and they seemed pretty slim. I’m sure there’s a lot of others too.
People that take it too seriously deserve to be upset.
Additionally, there was no America in WALL-E, it was all Buy n Large corporation. Not that I disagree with the memes premise, however.
As an American, I’m willing to speculate that Buy N Large might not even be based on my country.
Goes back to sipping a Big Gulp
“Big Gulps, huh? Alright! Well, see ya later!”
Everytime.
I just think Americans should learn to take a joke considering they’re living in one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I dunno maybe some fresh new material would be nice for once
Honey… you first. It’s kind of hard for us to make fun of your culture when milk can grow one faster. You’ve got like 5 unique things to your country overall and (somehow) two of them involve dead or endangered kids. Otherwise any individual insult has to be state specific because the United States is the only country on the planet that even the 10th psychiatrist would say is schizophrenic.
Damn you seem kinda sad, I’m sorry the universe decided I would be born here lol, I recommend going outside, it’s really beautiful (for now)
Awwwww, poor American couldn’t keep up. Eh, if you’re not gonna put any effort into it then I’m definitely not. Bye!
I read that whole thing in Stamets’ “The scientists are talking” voice, and it was both savage and beautiful.
Gay science is a truly bitchy thing to behold <3
I would guess that Cars was set in the post-human location of the USA.
Also Soul
I never saw that! I heard great reviews though, but I think the whole Disney+ stuff kinda buried it from being a “must-see”.
Inside Out is Canada, no?
Unless there’s a Minnesota and San Francisco in Canada, no.
Oh, right. That fact definitely never registered in my mind. I’ve only watched each film once, and my impression was they moved to San Francisco from Canada. Hence my doubt.
Must’ve been all the hockey.
Turning Red was in Canada tho
Ah, you’re right. They moved to San Francisco, but yes the family was originally from Canada.
I mean, there were some slim San Francisco people in the movie there still too. From like the bus and the school kids! … I feel like I’m fumbling … lol
It seems like they were originally from Minnesota. I stand corrected.
lol, oh right … it’s just that they liked hockey so they had to be from Canada 🤣 in my mind
is there truly a movement against Disney’s Cultural Appropriation or are these just examples of Disney sharing or bringing cultures to the mainstream?
I mean, the post is just a joke, but is the underlying theme at least something people really care about? More than they care about the representation these movies have given to these cultures?
Pocahontas and Mulan come to mind immediately as movies that pissed a lot of people off. Pocahontas especially since they whitewashed an already whitewashed story.
Yea, but I dont think that that was for cultural appropriation, but historically inaccuracy as you said and cultural insensitivity.
The exploitation of cultural history, inaccurate or not, is appropriation.
I disagree pretty hard, particularly when the history in question is the first contact between cultures. It is European American history as much as Native American history. It is both of their story to tell. There is obviously a difference in power dynamics between those two parties, but to categorize the entirety of media exhibiting the history wherein those cultures contacted as exploitative or appropriation, just makes no sense. And discouraging that sort of media just lends to even more ignorance than we already have.
Inaccurate, whitewashed, insensetive, malicious, or otherwise disrespectful depictions of cultures and history are a problem. But accurate depictions of history, particularly of or involving your own culture (though I would argue that it doesn’t matter the culture if it is accurate and reapectful), are educational, representative, and not something to discourage. And they are not exploitative unless made at the expense of someone else.
A major problem was that the history presented was inaccurate.
I know. That is what I said was the problem with the movie. You said it was a problem inaccurate or not.
- I am not HobbitFoot. Pay attention.
- It is a problem inaccurate or not. I vehemently disagree with you that rapers and pillagers should be able to claim the rape and pillage as their cultural history.
Mulan?
is there truly a movement against Disney’s Cultural Appropriation
100%. As the first example I can think of out of pocket (and there are many more if you take a cursory look at any of their movies), they tried to file a trademark to claim "Dia de los Muertos,” or “Day of the Dead”. The backlash was pretty fucking insane.
That one is shitty, but mind giving more example? As a non-white and non-westerner i’m very confused about all these “cultural appropriation”.
Cultural appropriation is a term made up by people who just want to be mad about something.
Some westerners believe that culture should not be shared and everyone should keep to their own culture or else risk appropriating that culture, which is seen as a type of colonialism. I disagree with this notion but I’m in the minority on this.
I’m Jewish and it would be sick if more people ate matzah ball soup. This however would be seen as cultural appropriation though.
It would be like if someone stole our Torah from us word for word, wait a second the Christians did that.
We’re not allowed to complain tho…
Of course because when they steal our holy books and make fun of us (seriously I cannot stand the stereotype that we’re all chassidish) its all ok. Imo im completely fine with people spreading Jewish culture as long as they dont claim ownership.
lol slightly related but I’m brought back to that time in English class where we had to ask people around us their ethnic background and I mentioned I was Jewish, the guy got into a heated argument with me about how I can’t technically be Canadian because I’m Jewish. Genuinely bewildered hehe.
Yeah, that’s inaccurate, sorry.
It’s actually a pretty nuanced topic, that has been attacked and thus muddled intentionally, but the simplified version is similar to fraud.
Basically, if it’s not your culture, but you act like it is and get paid (or equivalent) for representing it in some way, then it is appropriation. Whether that matters or not depends on power relations, so people at the wrong end of the genocide stick, for instance the Cree, don’t want people to make and sell something like headdresses that are supposed to be reserved for very specific purposes. It’s a ripoff and wrong on multiple levels.
Think ‘stolen valour’ responses for people wearing military medals without the right, but add on lost income and a history of shit and abuse as salt in the wound.
Hm, it think it’s seen more as taking something from a marginalised culture and making it a fad - like wearing dreads as a caucasian - and therefore removing this specific aspect from its cultural context.
Now I also don’t quite agree with this interpretation and I, too, prefer the more positive connotation of taking part in it and sharing cultural phenomena. If someone borrows from my culture I generally like it, as long as it is done respectfully and in good faith, but I am not part of a marginalised group.
Honestly the people who confuse honest cultural imitation or fusion with appropriation aren’t thinking critically about what harm is being done.
American exceptionalism produces a lot of these false positive responses, which is super annoying because it’s a real problem with economic consequences.
E.g. dreads is an ancient hairstyle for different ethnicities, cf. any sadhu, and no one is getting rich off of it.
Depending on who you ask, Jews could potentially be considered a marginalized group. I don’t speak for all Jews at all but I’ve never been offended or felt that my culture was being stolen by someone using Yiddish slang or eating kugel or matzah or challah or any other Jewish food. Hell, if someone walked in and was all “sup bitches, it’s Tu BiShvat, yesher koach yall” id be in stitches and happy that someone paid attention and remembered.
But again, I’m vastly in the minority on this.
I thought it was claiming a cultural thing as your own, disregarding the origins. Your definition seems to be more racist driven fear of intermingling, to separate cultures.
My definition is how I’ve seen it used in practice. I brought in bagels from the Jewish bakery near me once in university and no one touched them because it was “Jew Food” and they didn’t want to “appropriate” lmao. More bagels for me, but damn.
Imagine missing out on a potential positive experience because of social fear of being labeled some form of racist. People are more scared of being called racist than actually functionally being one.
…Bagels are considered “ethnic” now? My heart hurts.
Also with someone bringing in something from their own culture to share; partaking in that offering isn’t (shouldn’t be?) racist. It’s polite and a form of bonding with fellow humans.
I guess with this group I graduated with it is. I have a 5 year age difference from this group so I’m wondering if I’m simply out of touch.
I would see that as just straight up racism. Being fearful of trying something new or exotic because of a backlash of your ingroup is terrible and very clique like, conservative republican like. Sorry that you had to experience that. I personally enjoy experiencing other cultural things, especially foods, and would not miss an opportunity to try new things.
Ya it was a surprise to me because where I used to live, bagels are just another type of bun or something. I didn’t realize they were that widely associated with being Jewish. This group that I graduated with were very concerned about appearing “cringe” so maybe perhaps it has to do with that.
But then how would the OOP’s example count when pixar didn’t claim culture?
I asked this question because i’m super confused after watching the beginning of this video, which sort of match what OP said.
I also heard some people define it as purposefully misrepresentation of a culture or ethic, which tbh is bad(like how hollywood movies often portray some country) but it doesn’t seems to be what most “cultural appropriation” are about
There’s also another famous example from 2018, which an american chinese accusing a white highschool student for wearing qi pao as a prom dress, which funny enough, got the approval of asian chinese after the fiasco make its round. In my country we wear each other ethnic’s cloth often, no one have any issue with it, it’s confusing why it’s such a sensitive issue.
There’s of course very bad actor out there but a lot of times it’s a head scratcher for me.
I agree with that video. And it also mentions pizza and that cultural appropriation. It’s associated with bastardizing the thing they take, like misinterpreting a cultural thing in movies. American versions of things are acceptable but not authentic originals in many households is an example of cultural appropriation to me. Not accepting a cultural thing at all, even modified, is just straight up racist fear. I think everyone discussing this is probably on the same page, but saying it differently?
OP would be complaining that they didn’t show enough diversity if they didn’t have these movies. Can’t win with some people.
Yes, but mainly within the USA.
Cultural appropriation was a major issue with black Americans for generations, with black artists getting paid pennies on the dollar for their work. You also have Native American culture being wildly misrepresented for white people’s entertainment. Since this is a part of American history, there is a sensitivity that the people who produced the culture should partake in its use and profit.
The rest of the world doesn’t care as much, since that history isn’t there. If anything, other countries might see it as a mark of prestige that another country is taking such an interest in their culture.
And wasn’t it the whole world in the last movie, WALL-E?
Yes, but it’s set far in the future, long after every corner of the planet has been thoroughly Americanized
The punchline is the last panel.
Do you think we, outside of the US, hadn’t heard of Scotland before Merida?
How many Americans had even a little knowledge of these different cultures prior to Disney making mainstream and popular movies?
The amount of Americans that claim to be Scottish because their great great grandparent once farted in Edinburgh is pretty damned high to be fair.
The difference between the amount of Americans with genuine Scottish ancestry and the amount who arbitrarily claim Scottish ancestry is absurd. I dunno if they all saw Braveheart and decided “Freedom! Fuck yeah, I want some of that!” or what but it’s ridiculous.
What’s the Italian one?
Luca (2021).
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