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    It’s mostly bullshit.

    Eat a balanced diet and stop stressing about specifics. Eat meat sparingly. Don’t drink at all and it’ll make a bigger difference in your life than seed oils. Drink in moderation if you can’t handle that. Have fruits and veggies daily, as fresh as you can get them. Walk a few miles a day.

    All the basic easy stuff is the most effective. There are no tricks, shortcuts or gotchas.

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        Getting high to avoid sobriety daily is quite bad as well. Close to that of alcohol. Certainly worse if you are eating edibles fault compared to a beer once or twice a week.

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          How is any of that based on something besides your personal preference? What does quite bad mean? And what is “close to alcohol?” How much alcohol? How high?

          I’ve also never met a person that drinks A beer. I’ve met lots that drink beers and call it a beer to minimize their habits though.

          No offense but your opinion sounds like an anti drug ad from the 90’s made by someone who’s yet to admit their drug of choice is even a drug.

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            I smoke weed few times a month. Will have a beer about once, sometimes twice a week. I do pot to get a buzz typically where as a single beer is just nice on a hot day and won’t give me any feeling unless I drink a few in a row. I suspect you never met a person that drinks ‘a’ beer because the same reason you wouldn’t know if a person has a glass of wine at supper. Lots of people do it just for the taste and relaxation and refreshment. Not to get a buzz. There is evidence that is even good for you but I think it is a wash. The occasional one that is. You are likely right though if you know someone that needs ‘a’ single beer a day, they are likely drinking more than that. And I would agree, a full on alcohol addiction is harder on the body then a full on weed addiction.

            What I do see is alcoholics will not claim being so is somehow improving their life in an meaningful way. At least they are being truthful. I do know a fair amount of daily pot users, some basically wake and bake, and they are better at suggesting it is necessary to make their life better. I don’t buy that.

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              Yeah anecdotes are great but this is nothing but your opinion, ultimately.

              You can question frequent use of edibles all you want as far as addiction is concerned, but when you try to suggest that it’s as bad for you health-wise as alcohol? You are just wrong.

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                From the guy that first provide an anecdote.

                Anyhow I can assure you that taking edibles daily is certainly worse than have a beer a week. For some they may need it for pain possibly and that is valid but the majority of daily users are using for the high. Or better put, can’t operate well without a daily hit.

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                  You can’t even figure out who you’re talking to. It is quite literally right there in the username.

                  Something tells me your opinion on the matter is worthless.

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                  Your usage of majority here is pretty disingenuous, well frankly your entire point.

                  To do exactly what you’re doing: The majority of drinkers who have a beer a week are alcoholics who can’t operate well without a daily drink.

                  Not to mention to liken having a beer a week to daily edibles is insane. A more apt comparison would be a drink or two a day vs an edible a day. Or at the other end, an edible a week vs a beer a week.

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                  Anyhow I can assure you that taking edibles daily is certainly worse than have a beer a week.

                  This is a crucial point, how can you? Overlooking the major discrepancy in frequency of use.

                  The active ingredient in edibles is an analogue to something endogenous to the human body, alcohol is just a toxic substance.

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    They’re higher in inflammatory fats (most seed oils are predominantly composed of omega-6 polyunsaturated fats/inflammatory fats). While our bodies do need some inflammatory and anti-inflammatory fats (sort of like we need Cholesterol) we do not need too much. Calling them toxic is a step too far, but all foods should be consumed in moderation.

    https://www.matherhospital.org/wellness-at-mather/diet-nutrition/the-connection-between-diet-and-inflammation/

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        Yep, that’s the main problem with all the buzzword substances that diet culture is obsessed with: fat, salt, carbs, etc… All of those are fine in moderation, but the problem is that the processed garbage that the average person eats for lunch contains a RIDICULOUS amount of those things.

        Not sugar, though. Sugar is just bad for you, full stop. 😆

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          If sugar is bad for you, vegetable starch is as well. Vegetable starches (potato, rice, wheat, corn) are chains of glucose molecules. They’re metabolized and raise blood glucose even faster than sucrose.

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            Obviously there are various forms of sugar in a lot of things, it’s just a carbohydrate. My point is that there is zero reason to ever ADD sugar to any food, period. It is not an essential nutrient and it does not add anything beneficial other than flavor. It only promotes tooth decay, diabetes, and eventual organ failure. Yum.

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              My point is that there is zero reason to ever ADD sugar to any food, period

              But you said it yourself, the reason to add it is for flavor.

              Whether you like it or not, flavor is an incredibly important part of food and eating. Arguably the most important.

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                As somebody who eats strict keto. There’s tons of flavors out there, that aren’t sugar-based. Basically any recipe from before 1900 adds tons of flavor without sugar.

                Sugar is addictive, so it’s extremely popular in cooking, especially restaurant food.

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                  Basically any recipe from before 1900 adds tons of flavor without sugar.

                  Except for cakes and cookies and pies and brownies and sorbets and ice creams and truffles and caramels and creme brulees and any number of delicious desserts which have all called for sugar for centuries

                  I’ve eaten plenty of keto treats because half the people I’ve dated in the last ten years have been keto… I’ll tell ya this, monkfruit extract, stevia, xylitol, maltitol, they’re all the same and they all have nothing on sugar, not even close

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              I have type 1 diabetes, so, yeah. I am pretty careful about starches.

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            They aren’t great for you, unless you really need calories. Glycemic index based diets heavily limit them, so do diabetic diets, and keto practically bans them.

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              They’re good in the contexts of whole foods with protein, fiber and vitamins. I’m just pointing out that sugar and potatoes are almost the same thing.

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    Nothing wrong with them, but a lot of “alternative medicine” special interest groups wants you to believe there is, as evidenced by a lot of the links uncritically posted in this very thread alone.

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    A EXTREMELY helpful article, with scientific references covering the entire issue much better then I did below: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegetable-oils

    Original reply follows - - -

    The main issue is oxidative stress caused by Omega-6 fatty acids. Omega-3 are anti-oxidants and reduce stress. The ratio of o3/o6 is helpful in seeing how it can impact your body.

    There is a small, but growing, body of research linking consumption of seed oils with metabolic problems (diabetes)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM

    I recommend this whole playlist

    For people who are concerned about oxidative stress, they tend to cook food in fats, and avoid seed oil issues all together. Olive oil is a good seed oil, but getting a unadulterated pure source is problematic.

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        It wasn’t too bad before in my opinion but this year there was a big drought in the Mediterranean and now it’s extremely expensive. Even butter is cheaper than olive oil now I’m afraid… I just try to use less of it. Speaking of butter there are now a few big studies out there showing that milk fat is not as bad as the saturated fats found in meat. But they are all funded by dairy companies so I don’t know if I can really trust them. It’s hard navigating the world of fats and health. Fats are good for you but it’s hard to know which ones are the good ones.

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          Butter has always been an order of magnitude cheaper than actual olive oil in most places I think. Maybe that’s different in OO producing regions idk

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          We make our own olive oil here in Australia, and it’s pretty cheap by the can. I decant it into snaller bottles to use. Butter and ghee is thought to be better than most fats, yes. But (unburned) animal fat is still not a terrible thing. It’s artificial sweeteners and even plain sugar that seem far more dangerous to me.

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          It is. Just don’t use oil. Use lard, cooking fat. Buy a cheap fatty cut of meat, the fat you can use over and over again to cook with.

          Many Asian markets sell fat for pennies per pound.

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    It depends on the seed - canola oil is known as rapeseed oil here in the UK and is good for you.

    What you want to avoid are ultra-processed foods that tend to be high in sugar, salt and bad fats.

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      They often relabel rapeseed oil as “canola” or even “vegetable” oil, but it still is strong flavoured and unhealthy to consume.

      Canola oil is known to be bad for you here in Australia, and olive oil thought to be more healthy.

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        In most of the world rapeseed oil is considered a neutral vegetable oil, and is definitely not strong flavoured. I don’t know what you do to it in Australia, but it isn’t being done most other places.

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          No idea, but canola has risks of naturally occuring erucic acid, and smells and tastes different to oil made by other plants/vegetables. Hard to describe. A bit like rancid ghee? Bitter and buttery. I will stick to olive oil and peanut oil and butter, thanks. They taste and smell much less unpleasant.