I found an active thread in a sub on another instance I’d like to participate in. When I sub to the thread from sh.itjust.works there are no comments; I assume that’s because sh.itjust.works only starts syncing communities after the first subscription. So now I can either read the thread on an instance I don’t have a login for, or participate in an empty version of the thread on sh.itjust.works.

Is there any way to participate in the active thread at this point? Thanks.

edit: Just checked my subscription to the new community is [pending]. Maybe that’s it?

edit2: Thanks to @Barbarian I can at least sub to one of the pending communities, and the others are on lemmy.ml, so I’ll just wait those out.

  • BarbarianEnglish
    8·
    1 year ago

    Just checked your comment history. Let me guess, the one at [email protected]? Lemmy.ml is MASSIVELY overloaded right now. 10x our users, half our server power. Treat any community there as “Will work if I’m lucky and time it right”.

      • BarbarianEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        Trying it myself, having the same issue. It’s not federation issues site-wide, popped into some popular posts and there are posts from sh.itjust.works users. It’s not a block issue (although that allowed instance makes me very suspicious on their end), and it’s not a site overloading issue (their site seems to be running fine).

        EDIT: I KNEW IT! https://sh.itjust.works/post/70752

        Should work fine now

        • Sisyphus OPEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Thanks! I’m subbed now. Of course, the comments that were added before I subbed aren’t accessible from here, but at least I can join any that come along later.

  • planishEnglish
    8·
    1 year ago

    I think you might be able to subscribe and unsubscribe? I’m not sure why it would federate over the post itself but not the comments.

    If subscriptions are getting stuck pending, the community’s home instance could be overloaded. Maybe the comments will federate over later.

    • Sisyphus OPEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      Thank you. I’ll stick with it until it’s no longer pending and see if it fixes itself. You’re probably right that it’s just a taxed server.

      • PriorProject@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        If the pending subscription does sort itself out in a minute or two, and the Lemmy server hosting the community isn’t broken right now (test by visiting it’s homepage in a browser), then you can click the pending button to unsub and try to sub again. Retrying like this is how I sorted all my pendings, though obviously be chill and don’t do it a million times and generate million subscribe messages if something is legit busted.

        • Sisyphus OPEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          I have about a half dozen pending subscriptions, and have tried a few times to unsub then resub over the past 24 hours to them to no avail. I’ll keep trying. But they’re not all on the same server.

          • PriorProject@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Fair enough. It’s really hard as a user to determine the difference between a bug on your instance and weirdness due to all instances being sluggish and heavily loaded. I don’t have more advice beyond give it time and retries, but I empathize with your frustration. It’s all a bit strings and bailing wire right now, but if you watch the githubs contributions from very sharp experts are flying in at record pace. Hopefully it gets better (though I don’t have a GitHub issue to point to for this problem).

            • Sisyphus OPEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              Oh it’s not that big a deal. I guess it sounds like I’m frustrated, but text can be like that. I’m just trying to figure some things out. And it turns out that all but one of the pending subs are on lemmy.ml, so it really is likely a server-side issue.

  • PriorProject@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    If another account on your server has already subscribed to the remote-comminity… then federation replicates it to your server even if YOU are not subscribed. In this case, you can visit the version of the community and its posts posts that are hosted on your instance, and comment/vote even if you’re not subscribed.

    If no one subs on your instance the post won get replicated to your instance in the first place, and you won’t be able to comment/vote. If you subbed halfway through the posts lifetime, you’ll be able to interact with new comments since your sub but old ones will be missing… which does feel surpassingly weird when it happens… but pragmatically it only lasts for a short while as new posts fill up the community timeline post-subscription and those have fully replicated.comment sections.

    I’m not aware of a way to force your server to fetch the full comment chain of a post that predates anyone subscribing to the community to make federation kick it. Try searching your local instance for the post url, that jumpstarts community discovery. Maybe it also jumpstarts comment replication. If not though, I’m, out of ideas.

    • Sisyphus OPEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      I see, thanks. Yeah, that stinks. I’ll say one of my favorite ways to use reddit has been to search for threads related to an interest of mine and join the discussion, whether or not I’m subscribed to the subreddit. It seems like that’s not possible on Lemmy.

      • PriorProject@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Well it’s not… like… consistently possible. There happens to be a bonkers amount of new community creation happening this very minute. In the steady state, you’d kind of hope to see that on a well-trafficked instance like sh.itjust.works that most subs have been subscribed for a while and so this all works pretty much as expected.

        But a massive wave of new community creation where you’re frequently on the leading edge disconcerting new communities and being the first to subscribe to them… yeah… that’s the worst case scenario for this situation. It think it will improve with time, but it does suck mightily right this minute.

        • Sisyphus OPEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Can you walk me through how to do it? As it is, I can only see a thread on a community I’m not subscribed to by going to the instance it’s hosted on. But I’m not logged in there.

          • Sharp312@lemmy.oneEnglish
            5·
            1 year ago

            While you wait for sh.itjust.works to sync all the comments, you can browse it on the other communities instance, find the comment you want to interact with, then right click the little rainbow icon next to the hyperlink icon, copy that link into sh.itjust.works’ search bar and it will sync that comment immediately, letting you interact with it.

            For example, if I found your comment on another instance and I wanted to reply, I would copy the link to it, go to my instance (lemmy.one) and paste the link which is: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/120320

            Hacky solution ik but itll work until the user experience kinks are ironed out.

            • realcaseyrollins@exploding-heads.comEnglish
              5·
              1 year ago

              I’ve found that the best way to load a post or community is actually to just copy the remote link and search for it. Communities usually take about 30 seconds to load but if you sit in the search results page for a bit it’ll show up.

              But you may want to make sure that your instance isn’t blocked, by going to [instanceurl]/instances

              • Sharp312@lemmy.oneEnglish
                4·
                1 year ago

                Does that get you comments too? In another thread OP said they were trying to access [email protected] and when I go to that community via my instance, i see the posts but no comments. And its obviously been a bit since it started syncing. Our instances arent blocked

                • Wigglehard@exploding-heads.comEnglish
                  2·
                  1 year ago

                  It depends on if that instance has blocked your instance that you made your profile on, i know for example beehaw has blocked exploding heads (for very little reason tbh) so now i can’t comment there but on here i can see your comment and give my two cents

            • Sisyphus OPEnglish
              3·
              1 year ago

              Oh, hey, that’s cool! I knew the “network” icon was a direct link, but didn’t know searching for it on my instance would sync it. Super cool.

  • torknorggren@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    I can do it using Jerboa anyway. I assume some instances are set up so you can’t comment if you’re not subbed, but I haven’t found one yet.

    • Sisyphus OPEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Can you explain how you do it? When I go to the thread on another instance, it says I’m not logged in and can’t comment.

      • CatherineHuffman@burggit.moeEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I cannot. I’ve set up a feed and when I go to a thread I just click in the text box and start typing. Might be something to do with your instance?

  • _haha_oh_wow_English
    3·
    1 year ago

    Yeah but if you’re asking about lemmy.ml they’re just swamped so that’s probably why your comment isn’t posting.