The death toll means around ten percent of the kibbutz’s population was wiped out
The bodies of more than 100 people were discovered by volunteers in a single, small Israeli village Monday — including those of children — believed to have been killed by Hamas militants caught on camera.
The remains were discovered in Be’eri, or Bari, a kibbutz in southern Israel close to Gaza. It’s one of the villages Hamas militants invaded on Saturday as they began their attack on the country.
“Today the volunteers entered Kibbutz Bari and it is impossible to explain in words the terrible sights - some were adults, some were children. These are horrors that cannot be grasped in the mind or soul,” a spokesperson for Zaka search and rescue told IDF radio.
Entire settlements have been burned to the ground, the population murdered and kidnapped. This will end now, and it will end violently, there is no other way. Hamas is the governing body of the failed autonomous region of gaza and now they will pay the price for starting a war.
Palestinians are going to suffer for what Hamas has started. And doubt very much that the common Palestinian wanted this. However, Israel’s bombing of civilian infrastructures in Gaza is only going to perpetuate this violence.
Nobody wins in this conflict. But, it would be a big win for the region if Nethnyahu and his party were removed and replaced with a peace seeking parliament that could turn things around.
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That’s the same as saying that there can be no peace with Palestinians and the only way to resolve this is by hauling them all in trucks to crematoriums or the Jordanian border.
Not going to happen. Either of these “Solutions” from either side of the coin.
That’s like solving depression with suicide.
Everybody wants peace… via total victory.
It’s rare for sides to genuinely want peace through equality and forgiveness with bitter enemies.
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Click the linked article and read again what you are defending.
Do you live in North America? I’m native so if you are, get the fuck out of here, otherwise don’t protest if I fuck you up right? You’re in my ancestral home after all, and you’re the occupier here
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Calling dibs on this for my new prog band. Nobody else gets to take it. On second thought maybe it’s a better album title.
Your “homeland” has been bounced around so long that just about any ancient people in that region can claim it as theirs. Fuck your ancestors and your stone age feuds. If you really want this, go over there and join Hamas. I’m native blood living in North America, and I’m not about to start murdering people cause they took my ancestors home.
What if they took your home? Or your father’s home, your grandfather’s? All your families and neighbors? Then put you in MA open area concentration camp, controlled your food, water, electricity and movement, started destroying your sacred places, etc. Natives killed people for that, too.
So… exactly what they said by saying that they were Native American and living in North America? You’re splaining.
The colonists took their ancestor’s home as well as everyone of their same culture. Decades later, Americans forced Native Americans to move with the Trail of Tears, and then created half-independent reservations for them. They don’t have control over their food nor water nor electricity. And when haven’t Americans defiled sacred native places?
Native Americans could decide to overthrow state governments tomorrow and I could not truly fault them if civilians remained safe. I’m of the mind that the US deeply owes natives reparations and aid. While in the past some tribes did take up arms, others decided to adapt. The Seminoles in Florida don’t want the football team’s native American mascot changed because it is an homage treated with proper respect.
No it’s not the same because this just happened and is still happening. That’s what I’m saying the difference is. While they both matter, there’s a big difference between wrongs that were done to your ancestors, which is what they were talking about, and wrongs that are done to you and family you know personally. You don’t know really know until you’re in that position. So for those tribes that did take up arms, honestly I don’t blame them one bit.
Although obviously I’d probably condemn them if I lived in the same time period and saw them raping people and do the heinous shit Hamas did, from a historical standpoint, I can’t judge the natives’ armed struggle against the forces of colonialism.
I guess I took the view that ancestor vs direct family wrongs ultimately have the same effect, but I actually disagree with that now, thinking about it more. I get what you mean, from personal experience. An institution fucking over your great great grandfather is different than the institution fucking over your father.
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So the UN vote for the two state solution was illegal? I’ll go tell them a tankie said so.
Anybody who doesn’t agree with me is a tankie 😤
It deleted a post calling me bourgeoisie and using cheap strawman + ad-hominem demagogy so I bear his rhetoric abilities and stated facts in mind.
Not all tankies are wrong for being tankies.
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No, but you’re skipping a couple of steps between 1914 and 1947.
Either way, your point is short and vague.
“The only way to achieve piece is the end of Islam as a religion and its people as a culture. There can be no other way to achieve peace with the terrorists.” - how you sound right now.
Theres a pretty fucking huge distinction there. Zion != Judaism
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That isn’t what the person is saying. They’re saying peace is impossible unless Israel is dissolved and they all leave.
It could well be the end of Palestine. I hardly see Netanyahoo stopping until Hamas is completely wiped out. Israel is on a warpath now, and any civilian human shields Hamas tries to put in the way are going to be destroyed as well because Israel DGAF now.
In the end, Israel is going to commit more atrocities than Hamas in total. And by that point there may not be a Palestine left.
I’m worried about how many civilian casualties there will be
from what i know about the Conflict and the current Israeli Government and Military, there will be massive retaliations against the Palestine Populations everywhere ensuring that no Wounds get mended, instead new ones get opened and this conflict continues on forever.
Depends on how far Israel goes. Because no matter how far they go no one will lift a finger to stop them. We will see the hardest of hardliners get a say.
Every day for decades Israelis have been destroying Palestinian villages and killing or injuring innocent Palestinians.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/3/3/israeli-settler-attacks-against-palestinians-by-the-numbers
How would you feel if Israelis burnt your toddler to death?
https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-palestinian-child-burnt-to-death-20150730-story.html
Israel is the oppressor, they are the only side who has the power to end this situation and give the Palestinians back their freedom instead of murdering them in ghettos.
For peace you need two sides at the table, and both sides gave in to their fanatics (Israeli settlers and Hamas/Islamic Jihad).
Both sides of the extremes have proven what they would do if they are in charge.
Violence, terror… genocide.
Not saying you’re wrong, but Israel funded those fanatics so the Palestinian peace movement would lose steam. They wanted this to happen.
You are painfully correct, but it is a complicated situation stretching to the days of Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin and his assassination, and there’s history before that.
If you want to brutally simplify it, you can point the finger at the current prime minister and the Israeli settlers and their supporters in the right wing.
Just don’t forget to point your other finger at Hamas, abu-mazen (PLO leader, Holocaust denier), Yasser Arafat and Iran.
It is, as I said previously, complicated.
Why would I point the finger at Hamas? It wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t support it while they were taking out people Israel wanted gone.
I feel the same way about al queda, we created it so we don’t get to complain.
Hamas started in 1987 and always was a Muslim ISIS-like organization who’s goal was the destruction of Israel.
Until the rule of Benjamin Netanyahu, no Israeli government supported Hamas. Quite the contrary, it fought against it. It is not like the US and Al-Queda (which was used as a proxy against the Soviets).
I’m not sure I understand your claim here.
Officially yes.
Incorrect, netanyahu just didn’t hide it very well, bro there’s so many times where you have documented accounts of Israel letting Hamas attacks happen and then moving to stop them. It’s exactly the same were just father apart.
Hamas could have and would have been exterminated in the 90s if Israel thought it benefitted them very simple, they needed a existential enemy so they made one.
Why would Israel keep Hamas since the 90’s while the PLO and Islamic Jihad did the same thing only worse?
Where the hell are you bringing these conspiracy theories from?
Suck when Hamas uses you as a human shield
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A Zionist is a nationalist Jew. If you ever served in armed forces, then you were an American nationalist, or at least supported your country.
Zionists do the same for Israel.
I hope you feel strongly enough about this to go join Hamas. It’s your chance to stand up to the Zionists, and heroically blow up a music festival full of innocent people. And suffer the consequences.
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Veteran of the armed forces, explains a lot from colonizer boot thug. You’re used to policing and blowing up the brown people, so you know all about it. I actually grew up during a war, a civilian in an American instigated conflict, so I probably know a lot more than you about what it’s like to live during a war and bombing, you’re just good at dropping said bombs
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I don’t disagree with this line, but they are also the victim. The origins of the nationalist movement for a Jewish state came in light of Russian pogroms killing Jews – a Jewish scholar noted that the only way they could have peace, freedom, and respect seemed to be having a nation of their own.
Israel has absolutely been the oppressor for a lot of the country’s history, but it takes some fucking gall to say Israel is the oppressor after Hamas killed and kidnapped civilians. Your logic in fact would suggest Israel has the moral high ground now. The Hamas attack has killed a ton of innocent people, including children.
Tell me, does Hamas have the right to kill Israeli children because the Israeli government killed Palestinian children? If so, does Israel have the right if we reverse the situation?
What the Israeli government has done to Palestinians is a war crime and an atrocity. That does not mean Israel is the villain and Hamas is the good guy. The opposite isn’t true either. You’re grossly simplifying the conflict and not trying to understand its roots.
“Settlements”. What a cute word for genocide.
“Settlements”. What a cute word for genocide.
“Settlements.” What a cute word for “genocide.”