The problem I have with Mastodon is you need people to get people. And if the people I personally know and follow just aren’t there, I don’t… have fun there. Lemmy is much easier because it doesn’t depend on personal people, but just communities. So even if there are few people, that’s still easy to get more people there because it doesn’t rely on many specific ones.
Totally. Microblogging (twitter alternatives) have a much harder task because they depend on the right users. Especially famous/influential people. Post aggregators (Reddit alternatives) don’t have that constraint.
Agreed. It took me a few tries to get into Mastodon. What helped me was discovering that I could follow hashtags of topics that interest me. That opened the door to interesting people to follow.
Yeah I’ve been trying to fill out my Mastodon by doing tons of research and guides on who to follow, which kinda sucks anyways, but my feed is still empty except for a handful of accounts. Wired is active, so I’m basically just looking at a link aggregate of Wired articles. Might as well just go to wired.com
or just be a weirdo and reply to Lemmy comments from your Mastodon account like me. Then you don’t need people on Mastodon since they’re already on Lemmy.
Yeah, that’s true; but I kind of meant actually using Mastodon and its original content, not other ActivityPub content 😅
It’s really cool it’s possible like this though
Yep… I wasn’t ever much into Twitter, I have no “Influencers” or whatever I follow that I could then follow on Mastodon… I found it really hard to find any content that was interesting to me.
Lemmy on the other hand, I find it really easy to find Communities I am interested in
If you’re looking for a good middle ground, maybe kbin will be more your speed? It’s compatible with both Lemmy and Mastodon. So even if you don’t have the right Mastodon users to follow, you can still get content via Lemmy.
I wouldn’t say it’s as easy at Twitter. Twitter has an algorithm so you can be lazy. Mastadon requires that you actually go find the stuff that you want to see. The upside is that Mastadon doesn’t waste your time with a bunch of garbage that “tHe AlGoRiThM” forces in front of you: it just gives you exactly what you asked for, instead. But you can’t brainlessly scroll for hours with zero input the way you can with Twitter.
Heck yeah, I mean Hell yeah. I always gravitate towards something I’ve already watched a million times if I’m streaming to TV. Honestly can’t deal with commercial television anymore though.
So my experience with Mastodon so far has been I tried it out last year, thought man there ain’t shit here, then deleted my account. Giving it another go this time around and realized you gotta follow hashtags and accounts to actually see what you want. I’m still more of a fan of Lemmy, but Mastodon gets better once it’s set up.
It’s actually a major, and documented, problem. Despite everyone born after 1995 being considered a digital native, more and more people don’t have any technical aptitude and are wholly reliant on digital support
They never had to learn. Apple and Google spent a shitload of money on UI and UX, so we’ve hit a point where babies, who cannot talk, can navigate a tablet. If that’s your version of the internet, your computer literacy goes way down.
They grew up on iPads and the iPod Touch, and their family’s old phones. How much do they really use laptops or especially desktops? Maybe they use Google Docs and have never had to really look at their file structure or even understand it.
It goes the other way too, sometimes. At my work, our IT is made up of mostly Gen X and Millenials, yet I was able to guess the admin password on my very first try. This is a big company. They have had the same password for years. If I was a bad actor, I could royally mess things up super quickly.
I think that these people are just about everywhere. I have yet to see an age group where a lot of people don’t struggle with basic troubleshooting.
I agree, although I am more worried for Gen Alpha. With older Gen Z, many of us grew up with parents who didn’t rush to give their kids access to social media. Just having a phone at all was MASSIVE in my peer group when the iPod touch came out in 2007. Technological advancement doesn’t just wait years for us to define our generations easier. I had dial-up internet for years, yet I’m still Gen Z. It could be partially a regional thing, too. Things might be different where you live than where I live.
We should also look into why so many young people are growing up uneducated about technology, and we should collectively work on that. It’s just like any other skill that parents don’t bother to teach their children. You have to learn things from somewhere.
I think that many parents deserve blame in this too, not just the younger end of Gen Z who may still be in middle/high-school. A generation is a very large amount people to lump together, especially with how much we’ve advanced in that time. Play Battlespire (1997), then Oblivion (2006) and you will see a great example of that, over only 9 years.
It’s always a weird cycle with generational stuff. Everyone categorizes everyone else on a large scale.
If they admit its not that complicated then they have no excuse for not switching and have to accept that they’re perfectly happy suckling on the poisoned teat of these platforms and don’t actually want to leave
If we can do that here, surely it can’t be that hard to just pick a server on there and follow people, right?
I don’t expect everyone to be a coding wizard, I’m certainly not, but how are so many people still so tech illiterate in this modern day that what essentially boils down to picking an email host is considered difficult??
Oh no, that’s not good. Somehow that hadn’t crossed my mind until I saw your comment.
Most of the people I know irl use Outlook, Hotmail, their company email, or their private email in addition to Gmail. Some of their reasons are to keep family and business separate, to avoid spam, serious purposes like taxes, forgotten passwords, etc.
My issue is there’s just not enough content yet. I mostly only used Twitter to engage with wrestling fans (for better or worse), but on Mastodon there seems to be less than 10 wrestling fans total.
I bet the ten of you could make a community worth joining. That’s a time commitment though. Could just 9ost stuff from reddit for now to build the community.
Without any actual wrestlers or wrestling journalists on mastodon (which I am neither), there’s not much that could be done to build a community. Plus, I don’t have the time or energy to moderate a community. Plus, posting stuff “from Reddit” kinda violates the whole point of, you know, not using Reddit.
And all the comments are about how hard fedi and mastadon are :(
Skill issue.
I haven’t tried mastadon but I can’t imagine it’s harder than lemmy. Plus they already would have more established apps.
The problem I have with Mastodon is you need people to get people. And if the people I personally know and follow just aren’t there, I don’t… have fun there. Lemmy is much easier because it doesn’t depend on personal people, but just communities. So even if there are few people, that’s still easy to get more people there because it doesn’t rely on many specific ones.
Totally. Microblogging (twitter alternatives) have a much harder task because they depend on the right users. Especially famous/influential people. Post aggregators (Reddit alternatives) don’t have that constraint.
Agreed. It took me a few tries to get into Mastodon. What helped me was discovering that I could follow hashtags of topics that interest me. That opened the door to interesting people to follow.
Yeah I’ve been trying to fill out my Mastodon by doing tons of research and guides on who to follow, which kinda sucks anyways, but my feed is still empty except for a handful of accounts. Wired is active, so I’m basically just looking at a link aggregate of Wired articles. Might as well just go to wired.com
try following hashtags
Follow hashtags then you will find the people. Mastodon Twitter the whole lot of them have there own niche, you just got to figure it out!
or just be a weirdo and reply to Lemmy comments from your Mastodon account like me. Then you don’t need people on Mastodon since they’re already on Lemmy.
Yeah, that’s true; but I kind of meant actually using Mastodon and its original content, not other ActivityPub content 😅
It’s really cool it’s possible like this though
@Korne127 it was actually kind of a pain to find the link to make a comment, but it was funny enough that I figured it out.
I actually do follow a couple Lemmy communities from my Mastodon account but the UX is much better in Lemmy.
I can imagine haha; but the possibility of the connection is still cool. And congrats on finding the link haha.
Yep… I wasn’t ever much into Twitter, I have no “Influencers” or whatever I follow that I could then follow on Mastodon… I found it really hard to find any content that was interesting to me.
Lemmy on the other hand, I find it really easy to find Communities I am interested in
Mmm this isn’t entirely right. People are encouraged to follow hashtags to find people. It actually works very well.
Just follow hashtags, it’s by far the easiest way to find people. You can also just use the explore tab.
If you’re looking for a good middle ground, maybe kbin will be more your speed? It’s compatible with both Lemmy and Mastodon. So even if you don’t have the right Mastodon users to follow, you can still get content via Lemmy.
Mastodon is just as easy as twitter, lemmy is harder than mastodon and it’s not hard
I wouldn’t say it’s as easy at Twitter. Twitter has an algorithm so you can be lazy. Mastadon requires that you actually go find the stuff that you want to see. The upside is that Mastadon doesn’t waste your time with a bunch of garbage that “tHe AlGoRiThM” forces in front of you: it just gives you exactly what you asked for, instead. But you can’t brainlessly scroll for hours with zero input the way you can with Twitter.
some people still watch television and they don’t think that’s a bad thing
I mean, it’s not.
I have an antenna and it’s often easier to channel surf than try to think of something to watch
Heck yeah, I mean Hell yeah. I always gravitate towards something I’ve already watched a million times if I’m streaming to TV. Honestly can’t deal with commercial television anymore though.
The “hard” part was deciding on an instance.
It’s like those games that make you make super important, irreversible decisions on role/skills etc before you even play haha
You know can just make multiple accounts with the same name on several instances
And use and app to seamlessly use the two
Yep and that’s what I did, but still
So my experience with Mastodon so far has been I tried it out last year, thought man there ain’t shit here, then deleted my account. Giving it another go this time around and realized you gotta follow hashtags and accounts to actually see what you want. I’m still more of a fan of Lemmy, but Mastodon gets better once it’s set up.
imo mastodon is easier just because the software’s more mature
Based and “just read a little bit”-pilled.
Mfs can’t take 5 minutes god damn.
Git gud
I swear, many people are completely digitally illiterate despite being on the internet every day. Even choosing a server is already too hard for them.
It’s actually a major, and documented, problem. Despite everyone born after 1995 being considered a digital native, more and more people don’t have any technical aptitude and are wholly reliant on digital support
Yeah, I’m a Sys Admin during my day job and some of Gen Z are just as bad or worse than Boomer end users. I don’t get it.
They never had to learn. Apple and Google spent a shitload of money on UI and UX, so we’ve hit a point where babies, who cannot talk, can navigate a tablet. If that’s your version of the internet, your computer literacy goes way down.
They grew up on iPads and the iPod Touch, and their family’s old phones. How much do they really use laptops or especially desktops? Maybe they use Google Docs and have never had to really look at their file structure or even understand it.
It goes the other way too, sometimes. At my work, our IT is made up of mostly Gen X and Millenials, yet I was able to guess the admin password on my very first try. This is a big company. They have had the same password for years. If I was a bad actor, I could royally mess things up super quickly.
I think that these people are just about everywhere. I have yet to see an age group where a lot of people don’t struggle with basic troubleshooting.
I agree, although I am more worried for Gen Alpha. With older Gen Z, many of us grew up with parents who didn’t rush to give their kids access to social media. Just having a phone at all was MASSIVE in my peer group when the iPod touch came out in 2007. Technological advancement doesn’t just wait years for us to define our generations easier. I had dial-up internet for years, yet I’m still Gen Z. It could be partially a regional thing, too. Things might be different where you live than where I live.
We should also look into why so many young people are growing up uneducated about technology, and we should collectively work on that. It’s just like any other skill that parents don’t bother to teach their children. You have to learn things from somewhere.
I think that many parents deserve blame in this too, not just the younger end of Gen Z who may still be in middle/high-school. A generation is a very large amount people to lump together, especially with how much we’ve advanced in that time. Play Battlespire (1997), then Oblivion (2006) and you will see a great example of that, over only 9 years.
It’s always a weird cycle with generational stuff. Everyone categorizes everyone else on a large scale.
Job market looking sweet for us older zoomers/young millenials as the boomers leave
yeah it’s a shame that most people can’t read and learn new things
If they admit its not that complicated then they have no excuse for not switching and have to accept that they’re perfectly happy suckling on the poisoned teat of these platforms and don’t actually want to leave
That’s all I see people complain about.
If we can do that here, surely it can’t be that hard to just pick a server on there and follow people, right?
I don’t expect everyone to be a coding wizard, I’m certainly not, but how are so many people still so tech illiterate in this modern day that what essentially boils down to picking an email host is considered difficult??
when was the last time you met someone with an email account that wasn’t gmail?
… for most people that is their only email too.
Oh no, that’s not good. Somehow that hadn’t crossed my mind until I saw your comment.
Most of the people I know irl use Outlook, Hotmail, their company email, or their private email in addition to Gmail. Some of their reasons are to keep family and business separate, to avoid spam, serious purposes like taxes, forgotten passwords, etc.
My issue is there’s just not enough content yet. I mostly only used Twitter to engage with wrestling fans (for better or worse), but on Mastodon there seems to be less than 10 wrestling fans total.
I bet the ten of you could make a community worth joining. That’s a time commitment though. Could just 9ost stuff from reddit for now to build the community.
Without any actual wrestlers or wrestling journalists on mastodon (which I am neither), there’s not much that could be done to build a community. Plus, I don’t have the time or energy to moderate a community. Plus, posting stuff “from Reddit” kinda violates the whole point of, you know, not using Reddit.
I see your points. As for stuff from reddit I meant it as a tmeorary measure. Hopefully more fans will come over.
I honestly don’t understand what you mean. Like, copying other people’s opinions from Reddit instead of just posting my own?
No, I meant more like sourcing news or something.