This is just bullshit GOP deflection whenever someone calls it what it is.The AR in AR-15 may stand for Armalite, but an AR-15 is still an assault rifle.
The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.
And
…examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
If you don’t see a significant difference between automatic and non-automatic weapons then you wouldn’t care if automatic weapons were regulated the same as non-automatic
You could argue that, but I could also argue that the majority of M16/AR-15 style rifles issued by the US military are semi-automatic just like civilian models. Why? Because semi-automatic fire is, by far, more accurate, efficient, and deadly than burst or automatic fire.
So whether you want to call it an assault rifle, a long rifle, or whatever, the one you buy at Bass Pro Shops is just as advanced and deadly as what our military carries. So asking for some common sense gun laws and improved mental healthcare before you can just walk into a store and walk out with what is functionally the exact same rifle the most powerful military in the world issues to its soldiers maybe isn’t too fucking much to ask. The number one cause of death for children in the US is fucking firearms. As a lifelong gun owner, stop pissing and moaning about how improved gun laws will ruin your hobby while fucking kindergartners are far more likely to die to a .223 than their family is to know when their next meal will be.
Wtf, no she doesn’t?! I don’t need to know the details of how guns are named to see the effects they have. It’s like saying you can only criticize someone running over people with a car if you can name the manufacturer’s home country, completely absurd.
No, it’s like pushing for horse-drawn carriage control because people in cars are speeding, or like saying there’s a butter-knife loophole around sword bans.
It’s fucking important to know about the things you’re trying to legislate, and knowing that an AR-15 isn’t an assault rifle is such a basic bit of information.
The AR in AR-15 may stand for Armalite, but an AR-15 is still an assault rifle.
The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.
And
…examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
Fully automatic means when you hold the trigger it keeps shooting until the magazine is empty. Semi automatic means every time you pull the trigger a round is discharged. Some AR-15 platform scary black guns allow you to choose between these settings, some dont because they are only semi automatic. As far as I am aware there is no burst setting on a stock AR-15 which would fall in between those options.
As a super liberal who happens to own a scary black gun (and several others) please stop making us look like idiots and learn the difference.
Select fire is a weapon that can do full auto and semi auto. In other words, colloquially a full auto rifle. No AR-15s for the civilian market today are select fire or burst fire. Buying a new select fire or full auto rifle has been extremely illegal at the federal level for literal decades, as would be turning your semiautomatic into a select fire (without heavy duty federal licensing at a minimum)
Lol I think you mean “sorry I misread.” Imagine being that bad at context and blaming the writing. Sure I could’ve been more explicit but most people can handle a single ambiguous pronoun in a comment chain without writing a whole salty comment about how wrong one clearly contextually incorrect interpretation is. You’re what’s wrong with the liberal gun community.
It would indicate you have done passing research on what you are talking about. If people are messing up basic terminology I would be concerned they have a poor understanding of the subject. The same way Trump spoke about stuff with incorrect language showed his ignorance.
Why do you need to research the name of a specific gun to understand gun safety? How does not knowing what the initials of one single gun stand for show you have a poor understanding of the subject? Do you have to be familiar with every gun out there to understand gun safety? In that case, don’t let anyone buy a gun until they’ve used every model and knows each one intimately. Otherwise it won’t be safe.
It’s one of the most prolific gun platforms ever. It would be like trying to regulate trucks without knowing the F-150 is made by Ford. It shows ignorance of the subject, which isn’t what you want if you’re looking to express an opinion. It’s not that deep.
No you’re not. This entire post is about wanting to ban the AR-15. Aka regulate it. Stop trying to mask your intentions it doesn’t do you any favors. We all know what they are.
It’s strange that you demand such precision regarding gun specific terminology but your rigorousness disappears immediately when it comes to using terms like regulate and ban correctly. Perhaps until you can use those terms correctly you should remove yourself from any topics concerning them.
Again, regulation is not the same as banning. I have no idea why you would think it is. And this conversation you butted into was about gun safety. I literally pasted what started the conversation.
It’s not about just the abbreviation, it’s the fact that you and a ton of others in here think the AR-15 is somehow more dangerous than any other semi auto rifle. When it’s not. The amount of people killed each year with all rifles combined, is 1/3rd the number of people killed with knives and 1/2 of those killed with feet/hands, which shows you’re not here for a solution to people dying, you’re here to ban something you have no clue about because the media and politicians tell you it’s scary.
That’s you’re starting point…you literally said regulate all guns…aka I want them all banned. And while you may have not said it specifically in this thread, you’re still wanting to regulate something you don’t understand.
You also seem very confused about what regulation means.
I want all cars regulated. I want every car to be registered and every driver to be licensed after being tested for competence. Does that mean I want to ban cars?
Do you really think ‘regulation’ is a synonym for ‘ban?’
The AR15 was designed to be the most effective general case weapon of war to be carried by soldiers. If it didn’t have measurable advantage over other rifles why did the US military adopt the M-16? Select fire is far from the only characteristic that contributes to the efficient lethality of that design.
They don’t use the AR-15 in the military… it’s still a plastic fucking semi automatic rifle …just like my wood ones that are semi auto…there is no difference. It’s like trying to ban a car because it’s got a spoiler and painted red…
If it didn’t have measurable advantage over other rifles why did the US military adopt the M-16? The M-16 was derived from the AR-15. The semi-auto characteristic is just one aspect of the rifle. No one, pro-gun, anti-gun, or anywhere in between takes the opinion “all semi-auto rifles are the same” seriously, because its ridiculously reductive and just not true. Its weight, length, ease of use, magazine capacity, and ammo type all significantly factor into its performance. Are you trying to be honest or are you emotionally blinded on this topic?
I would be concerned for your knowledge of gun safety if you didn’t know this too. She’s a lunatic, but she has a point.
This is just bullshit GOP deflection whenever someone calls it what it is.The AR in AR-15 may stand for Armalite, but an AR-15 is still an assault rifle.
The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.
And
…examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
The AR-15 doesn’t have selective fire.
His point about bullshit deflection stands.
You know you just can’t call “bullshit deflection” every time you are wrong because you failed to understand what you read right?
Um… You know I can easily buy a single-fire gun.
It is very challenging for me to buy a selective fire gun. Because, they have been heavily regulated for a long time.
Thanks for the great example of bullshit deflection!
it’s literally the definition given above that’s being used.
If you don’t see a significant difference between automatic and non-automatic weapons then you wouldn’t care if automatic weapons were regulated the same as non-automatic
You could argue that, but I could also argue that the majority of M16/AR-15 style rifles issued by the US military are semi-automatic just like civilian models. Why? Because semi-automatic fire is, by far, more accurate, efficient, and deadly than burst or automatic fire.
So whether you want to call it an assault rifle, a long rifle, or whatever, the one you buy at Bass Pro Shops is just as advanced and deadly as what our military carries. So asking for some common sense gun laws and improved mental healthcare before you can just walk into a store and walk out with what is functionally the exact same rifle the most powerful military in the world issues to its soldiers maybe isn’t too fucking much to ask. The number one cause of death for children in the US is fucking firearms. As a lifelong gun owner, stop pissing and moaning about how improved gun laws will ruin your hobby while fucking kindergartners are far more likely to die to a .223 than their family is to know when their next meal will be.
Select fire means there are multiple fire modes, therefore by definition they have to be burst or full auto capable. See what Boebert means?
Wtf, no she doesn’t?! I don’t need to know the details of how guns are named to see the effects they have. It’s like saying you can only criticize someone running over people with a car if you can name the manufacturer’s home country, completely absurd.
No, it’s like pushing for horse-drawn carriage control because people in cars are speeding, or like saying there’s a butter-knife loophole around sword bans.
It’s fucking important to know about the things you’re trying to legislate, and knowing that an AR-15 isn’t an assault rifle is such a basic bit of information.
It would be like banning hysterectomy as treatment for anyone who isn’t certifiably hysterical.
The AR in AR-15 may stand for Armalite, but an AR-15 is still an assault rifle.
And
AR-15 is not selective fire. That means fully automatic, something that is already effectively banned in the USA.
What? No.
Fully automatic means when you hold the trigger it keeps shooting until the magazine is empty. Semi automatic means every time you pull the trigger a round is discharged. Some AR-15 platform scary black guns allow you to choose between these settings, some dont because they are only semi automatic. As far as I am aware there is no burst setting on a stock AR-15 which would fall in between those options.
As a super liberal who happens to own a scary black gun (and several others) please stop making us look like idiots and learn the difference.
Select fire is a weapon that can do full auto and semi auto. In other words, colloquially a full auto rifle. No AR-15s for the civilian market today are select fire or burst fire. Buying a new select fire or full auto rifle has been extremely illegal at the federal level for literal decades, as would be turning your semiautomatic into a select fire (without heavy duty federal licensing at a minimum)
Maybe you should learn the difference?
I think what you mean to say is “I’m sorry, my first comment is hilariously structurally ambiguous”.
“AR is not XXX. That means full auto.” By which you meant “XXX means full auto”. Unfortunately, written as two sentences that’s not how it reads.
You might be better at guns than written English it turns out.
Lol I think you mean “sorry I misread.” Imagine being that bad at context and blaming the writing. Sure I could’ve been more explicit but most people can handle a single ambiguous pronoun in a comment chain without writing a whole salty comment about how wrong one clearly contextually incorrect interpretation is. You’re what’s wrong with the liberal gun community.
I think it was pretty clear.
The AR-15 is not selective fire. A gun that is selective fire can fire full auto or at least single trigger pull burst.
Why does knowing what AR stands for mean you understand gun safety? Do they have a corporate model vocabulary lesson in gun safety classes?
It would indicate you have done passing research on what you are talking about. If people are messing up basic terminology I would be concerned they have a poor understanding of the subject. The same way Trump spoke about stuff with incorrect language showed his ignorance.
Why do you need to research the name of a specific gun to understand gun safety? How does not knowing what the initials of one single gun stand for show you have a poor understanding of the subject? Do you have to be familiar with every gun out there to understand gun safety? In that case, don’t let anyone buy a gun until they’ve used every model and knows each one intimately. Otherwise it won’t be safe.
It’s one of the most prolific gun platforms ever. It would be like trying to regulate trucks without knowing the F-150 is made by Ford. It shows ignorance of the subject, which isn’t what you want if you’re looking to express an opinion. It’s not that deep.
You are moving the goalposts. We weren’t talking about regulation. We were talking about gun safety.
The claim you made was this:
Can you please explain to me how gun safety was taught before the AR-15 was invented despite the lack of this necessary component?
No you’re not. This entire post is about wanting to ban the AR-15. Aka regulate it. Stop trying to mask your intentions it doesn’t do you any favors. We all know what they are.
It’s strange that you demand such precision regarding gun specific terminology but your rigorousness disappears immediately when it comes to using terms like regulate and ban correctly. Perhaps until you can use those terms correctly you should remove yourself from any topics concerning them.
Bans are subsets of regulation, no?
I’ll wait for you to show me a country that didn’t go whole hog and take and ban basically everything but bolt action…
Again, regulation is not the same as banning. I have no idea why you would think it is. And this conversation you butted into was about gun safety. I literally pasted what started the conversation.
So how would you regulate “assault weapons”? The last bill to do so, was literally called the assault weapons BAN…
Replace that same logic with the idiots who want to control women’s healthcare… that’s why.
What abbreviation is it necessary to know to understand women’s healthcare?
It’s not about just the abbreviation, it’s the fact that you and a ton of others in here think the AR-15 is somehow more dangerous than any other semi auto rifle. When it’s not. The amount of people killed each year with all rifles combined, is 1/3rd the number of people killed with knives and 1/2 of those killed with feet/hands, which shows you’re not here for a solution to people dying, you’re here to ban something you have no clue about because the media and politicians tell you it’s scary.
Please provide evidence that I think that the AR-15 is more dangerous than any other semi automatic rifle.
Unless that was a lie, of course. I’m sure if it wasn’t a lie, you can prove that I think that.
That’s you’re starting point…you literally said regulate all guns…aka I want them all banned. And while you may have not said it specifically in this thread, you’re still wanting to regulate something you don’t understand.
Got it. You lied.
You also seem very confused about what regulation means.
I want all cars regulated. I want every car to be registered and every driver to be licensed after being tested for competence. Does that mean I want to ban cars?
Do you really think ‘regulation’ is a synonym for ‘ban?’
In the gun world yes. Find me a place that didn’t impose registering firearms that didn’t end up taking the mass majority of them.
The AR15 was designed to be the most effective general case weapon of war to be carried by soldiers. If it didn’t have measurable advantage over other rifles why did the US military adopt the M-16? Select fire is far from the only characteristic that contributes to the efficient lethality of that design.
They don’t use the AR-15 in the military… it’s still a plastic fucking semi automatic rifle …just like my wood ones that are semi auto…there is no difference. It’s like trying to ban a car because it’s got a spoiler and painted red…
If it didn’t have measurable advantage over other rifles why did the US military adopt the M-16? The M-16 was derived from the AR-15. The semi-auto characteristic is just one aspect of the rifle. No one, pro-gun, anti-gun, or anywhere in between takes the opinion “all semi-auto rifles are the same” seriously, because its ridiculously reductive and just not true. Its weight, length, ease of use, magazine capacity, and ammo type all significantly factor into its performance. Are you trying to be honest or are you emotionally blinded on this topic?
“Well technically, the babies died because of gravity, not because I throw them out of the window.” -throws_babies_out_of_windows
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Imagine agreeing with Boebert. Yikes
It’s called not being an ideological slave with a mind poisoned by partisan politics.
If Boebert said the Holocaust was bad would you disagree?
I would be surprised if she said that