Don’t you know Trump is gonna genocide harder? Some shitlib told me yesterday trump will conduct a real genocide, as if the one happening in front of our eyes is fake
Imagine seeing someone yell at a rapist in the middle of raping that they aren’t raping viciously enough and then thinking that it would be good to send that guy in there instead. I agree, no rape would be best, but I’m pretty sure the victim in this case would prefer the current rapist over the one complaining about how the current rapist is being offensively gentle.
Beyond your disgusting analogy, if you think Palestinians give a shit who sends the bombs to Israel that are going to kill them you’re not living in reality.
Tell me you’re voting for Biden on domestic policy grounds, and I’ll agree with you because that’s my plan, but stop dressing this up as anything that’s not as bad as it could be
Do you realize that if today the casualties on both sides of Gaza and isreal since October happened again, and then every day that many more is added, let’s say 40,000 per day. If we continue doing that every single day, we wouldn’t reach the world war 2 casualties until 2027. So yes, things can, and have very recently been much worse.
Biden is a bastard, he is blowing up gazan children daily, and I hope the universe makes a special exception for him and creates a biblical hell. Trump calls this “level of restraint” antisemitic. Trump is in extreme debt, angry as hell, and he has a bunch of racist anti-muslim fanatics he’s trying to please. He can absolutely make things worse.
Are you seriously a Trump supporter because you think the conservatives will be kinder to a group of minority Muslims that are up against Jewish Israel? Is this the first time you’ve ever paid attention to American politics?
Look up what a president by the name of George Bush Jr. did to the Middle East, you’re about to have your political views dumped completely upside-down. The Republicans are not nearly as buddy-buddy with Islamic minorities as you’ve somehow been lead to believe.
Worse genocide. That is worse than genocide. Have they seriously got you thinking that there are no gazans left of something? It is mind-boggling how good some media companies are at doing what they do.
I’m talking about the people that passed a resolution proclaiming opposition to Zionism is antisemitic. I’m talking about the people using police across the country to silence opposition to Zionism and genocide. I’m talking about the people that’s taken millions of AIPAC money to carry out the demands of Zionists.
I was referring to the part of your comment where you said “Trump.” You’re gonna have to use gpt to explain my comment to you in a way that you are able to wrap your head around. Just tell it to break it down step by step and explain it to like you’re a 5 year old with their fingers in their ears yelling “blah blah blah, i can’t heeeaaaar youuuuu”.
I responded that your take on Trump made no sense.
You oddly tried to pretend you were not talking about Trump.
I pointed out that you were talking about Trump.
I have made my point clearly. I’m sorry if making it so clear hurt your feelings, but the choice is between speaking on a low level or having things go over your head like they did. This is a you issue. If you don’t want people to speak down to you, then demonstrate some reading comprehension.
Also, I’m not liberal, I’m politically non-binary.
Yeah, but with Biden and the Democrat Party you get an equal opportunity Genocide were women are just a likely to be murdered as men and LGBT as straight people.
If you’re going to define your movement as anti-genocidal you should really have a firm grasp on what genocide is and who is committing it:
Article II of the Convention defines genocide as:
… any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Hamas, what Israel has been clear they intend to destroy, is not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. However, Jews/Israel/Israelis, what Hamas has been clear they intend to destroy, are. Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel’s war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.
I support Israel because I oppose the genocidal. Binding their hands and preventing them from retaliating in self-defense only serves to support genocidal Hamas by keeping them in power.
“Look at me displacing almost 2 million people and bombing their homes and cities whole to the ground one by one. It’s not a genocide though, because I haven’t explicitely claimed that my goal is to commit a genocide.”
Absolutely, there were millions of civilian casualties in WWII. The difference here is that there have been, according to Israel, only 273 soldiers killed in ground operation combat vs the 13,000 civilians killed on Gaza’s side. (According to the new, lower estimates.) This is not so much a war as a one-sided beatdown.
It’s almost as if words mean things and have specific definitions, especially legal ones. Feel free to criticize such behaviors with different accurate words for things you don’t like.
Curious how you moved the goal posts from “not openly stating one’s intent” which was used as justification to claim what Israel is doing is not a Genocide to “not having intent” which is what defines the difference between murder and manslaught.
People are convicted of murder all the time when they didn’t openly said their intention was murder if it can be shown beyond reasonable doubt that it was their intention.
So the previous poster’s point holds very well and you just further dug the grave on yours.
Anytime somebody starts quibbling over whether something is technically genocide, they’re an immoral person and nothing they say is of any worth to the human species. I didn’t get past the first sentence you wrote before I clicked away.
You support Israel because you oppose the genocidal.This is one of the most batshit insane things i have read on this site,you really cannot have typed that with a straight face.
Take your hasbara bullshit somewhere else. According to that same organization you took your definition from, an occupying nation like Israel can not claim self defense when attacked
The lesser of two evils, ladies and gents.
Genocide, whaddaya gunna do. Your tax dollars at work.
Don’t you know Trump is gonna genocide harder? Some shitlib told me yesterday trump will conduct a real genocide, as if the one happening in front of our eyes is fake
Are you talking about the Trump that won’t quit talking about how antisemitic Biden has been in the Gaza genocide?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/us/politics/trump-biden-jews.html
Imagine seeing someone yell at a rapist in the middle of raping that they aren’t raping viciously enough and then thinking that it would be good to send that guy in there instead. I agree, no rape would be best, but I’m pretty sure the victim in this case would prefer the current rapist over the one complaining about how the current rapist is being offensively gentle.
Beyond your disgusting analogy, if you think Palestinians give a shit who sends the bombs to Israel that are going to kill them you’re not living in reality.
Tell me you’re voting for Biden on domestic policy grounds, and I’ll agree with you because that’s my plan, but stop dressing this up as anything that’s not as bad as it could be
Do you realize that if today the casualties on both sides of Gaza and isreal since October happened again, and then every day that many more is added, let’s say 40,000 per day. If we continue doing that every single day, we wouldn’t reach the world war 2 casualties until 2027. So yes, things can, and have very recently been much worse.
Biden is a bastard, he is blowing up gazan children daily, and I hope the universe makes a special exception for him and creates a biblical hell. Trump calls this “level of restraint” antisemitic. Trump is in extreme debt, angry as hell, and he has a bunch of racist anti-muslim fanatics he’s trying to please. He can absolutely make things worse.
What is worse than genocide? You are the epitome of my original comment, ‘Trump’s gonna genocide harder’
Are you seriously a Trump supporter because you think the conservatives will be kinder to a group of minority Muslims that are up against Jewish Israel? Is this the first time you’ve ever paid attention to American politics?
Look up what a president by the name of George Bush Jr. did to the Middle East, you’re about to have your political views dumped completely upside-down. The Republicans are not nearly as buddy-buddy with Islamic minorities as you’ve somehow been lead to believe.
No one is defending republicans, we are saying Biden is doing exactly what Trump might do.
Worse genocide. That is worse than genocide. Have they seriously got you thinking that there are no gazans left of something? It is mind-boggling how good some media companies are at doing what they do.
I’m talking about the people that passed a resolution proclaiming opposition to Zionism is antisemitic. I’m talking about the people using police across the country to silence opposition to Zionism and genocide. I’m talking about the people that’s taken millions of AIPAC money to carry out the demands of Zionists.
I was referring to the part of your comment where you said “Trump.” You’re gonna have to use gpt to explain my comment to you in a way that you are able to wrap your head around. Just tell it to break it down step by step and explain it to like you’re a 5 year old with their fingers in their ears yelling “blah blah blah, i can’t heeeaaaar youuuuu”.
In typical fashion, a liberal infantilizes people they disagree with because they have no other argument to stand on
You talked about Trump.
I responded that your take on Trump made no sense.
You oddly tried to pretend you were not talking about Trump.
I pointed out that you were talking about Trump.
I have made my point clearly. I’m sorry if making it so clear hurt your feelings, but the choice is between speaking on a low level or having things go over your head like they did. This is a you issue. If you don’t want people to speak down to you, then demonstrate some reading comprehension.
Also, I’m not liberal, I’m politically non-binary.
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Oh well that’s a Democrat genocide. It’s a more humane genocide, free range and organic. Better for the environment.
Yeah, but with Biden and the Democrat Party you get an equal opportunity Genocide were women are just a likely to be murdered as men and LGBT as straight people.
So Vote Biden!!!
It’s definitely not a genocide. Not sure about fake probably just not a genocide.
Except the part where it meets every aspect of a genocide.
If you’re going to define your movement as anti-genocidal you should really have a firm grasp on what genocide is and who is committing it:
Hamas, what Israel has been clear they intend to destroy, is not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. However, Jews/Israel/Israelis, what Hamas has been clear they intend to destroy, are. Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel’s war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.
I support Israel because I oppose the genocidal. Binding their hands and preventing them from retaliating in self-defense only serves to support genocidal Hamas by keeping them in power.
“Look at me displacing almost 2 million people and bombing their homes and cities whole to the ground one by one. It’s not a genocide though, because I haven’t explicitely claimed that my goal is to commit a genocide.”
If so then the wars in Korea, Vietnam, and Chechnya were all genocides.
When entire civilian populations are bombed or starved, then yes. The US is not free of war crimes. They’re merely immune from the consequences.
Not just the US. Chechnya was invaded by Russia. German civilians were bombed by the UK and USSR.
In fact, it’s hard to find a large-scale modern war that didn’t cause thousands of civilian casualties.
Absolutely, there were millions of civilian casualties in WWII. The difference here is that there have been, according to Israel, only 273 soldiers killed in ground operation combat vs the 13,000 civilians killed on Gaza’s side. (According to the new, lower estimates.) This is not so much a war as a one-sided beatdown.
Are you really suggesting that every asymmetrical war that is conducted successfully is genocide? O.o
I mean, there isn’t any obligation in war to make sure casualties are evenly distributed among both sides.
Normally, a lopsided war ends only when the losing side surrenders.
Now you’re getting it
“Genocide” is just another word for “war”?
When it’s targeted at a specific group of people and there’s such a dramatic power imbalance, yes. Whether modern definitions agree or not.
All wars are targeted at a specific group of people.
So if your definition amounts to a highly favorable balance of power, then all countries at war would aspire to make it a “genocide”.
It’s almost as if words mean things and have specific definitions, especially legal ones. Feel free to criticize such behaviors with different accurate words for things you don’t like.
If someone punches you to death, declaring they weren’t trying to kill you doesn’t make them any less guilty of murder.
Actually, in the US it could. Intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter.
Curious how you moved the goal posts from “not openly stating one’s intent” which was used as justification to claim what Israel is doing is not a Genocide to “not having intent” which is what defines the difference between murder and manslaught.
People are convicted of murder all the time when they didn’t openly said their intention was murder if it can be shown beyond reasonable doubt that it was their intention.
So the previous poster’s point holds very well and you just further dug the grave on yours.
Anytime somebody starts quibbling over whether something is technically genocide, they’re an immoral person and nothing they say is of any worth to the human species. I didn’t get past the first sentence you wrote before I clicked away.
You support Israel because you oppose the genocidal.This is one of the most batshit insane things i have read on this site,you really cannot have typed that with a straight face.
Take your hasbara bullshit somewhere else. According to that same organization you took your definition from, an occupying nation like Israel can not claim self defense when attacked
Sorry to invade your echo chamber with dissent. It must pain you to be reminded that not everyone agrees with you, that must be so hard for you.
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. A blockade is not an occupation.
Yeah well uh, Trump would’ve sent 1.2bn