(Go stick your head in a pig!)

Come to think of it, “share and enjoy” is exactly the way I would expect an AI-generated YouTube video to end.

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    First, we are discussing careers, not individuals. No shit people are losing jobs, but guess what, that is exactly what happens when careers evolve or new ones are created. Every. Single. Time.

    Think about when precision machining was invented, when printing presses where invented, when cars where invented, when computers where invented, when the fucking internet was invented, etc. Yes, a fuck-ton of people were suddenly out of a job. But then suddenly there are also a whole bunch of brand new jobs and careers to fill. People either learn to adapt and fill those roles, or they don’t, and they get left behind. AI isn’t really any different except that it is happening right now and it’s therefore hard to see what’s to come.

    That’s just how the world works. It’s sad and frustrating, I know, but being scared and hiding your head in the sand doesn’t change that fact. Learning how to live and thrive with the new stuff does, though, so maybe let’s try that instead.

    Second, and this isn’t to discount everything you linked, but you understand that there is a huge bias going on here, right? People are understandably scared about the future, and the media latches onto that fear and creates articles that feed the narrative beast. But often times, the articles completely neglect to talk about the other side of the coin, which is what we are discussing here.

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      Okay, well maybe you see things like the death of journalism and the death of criticism and the death of voice-over acting and the death of music composition to be good things, but I don’t know that you’re in the majority there.

      And you may also see the massive ecological disaster that AI is becoming is a good thing too. I certainly do not.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impacts_of_artificial_intelligence

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        What I’m trying to get you to understand is that this isn’t the death of anything, not really. Though it can certainly feel like it, especially right now. This is just the growing pains that goes along with literally every single major advancement in human history, and we always have this same exact unproductive argument. Yes, people get hurt along the way, but that is exactly why it is our collective responsibility to learn properly and mitigate as much of the damage as possible, being scared is never the way to do that. This isn’t the doom of society. It’s simply the dawn of a new version of society.

        Continue being scared and wither into obscurity, or learn to adapt and thrive with what is inevitably going to be an integral part of our lives, career or not. The choice is really yours alone, but I want to see everyone succeed, including you and anyone else that reads this garbage.

        Also, the ecological impact of AI is an entirely separate discussion, and I would appreciate it if you didn’t pretend to know my stance on the matter to support your arguments. If you want to have that discussion, we can, but not like this.

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          You mean sort of like it wasn’t the death of artisan textile production after the industrial revolution? Except it absolutely was and people literally starved while the rich got richer on the new machines. Sounds familiar.

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            OK, fine. Jobs are getting destroyed because AI is the greatest evil in the universe and the only solution is make memes about it scream thats it’s going to kill us all. The kids are all gonna be too dumb to think and AI is going to run everything. No one will be able to live normal, productive lives ever again. The world is ruined!

            Or.

            AI is bunch of tools that can be used to solve some really weird problems and/ or make life easier and less stressful overall. But also AI is really powerful and can very easily be used in the wrong way and be really dangerous so we as a species need to learn how to use it safely before a bunch of people get seriously hurt. The world is gonna have a few hiccups, but eventually people will figure shit out and move on because AI is never going away and will only ever become an increasingly important part of our lives.

            Which of these scenarios actually makes sense? Look at history and think of Occam’s razor. Is AI actually evil, or is it just a thing we have created (and literally cant uncreate at this point) and now have to figure how to deal with? Is AI really worth being scared of (remember, its a permanent part of this world now), or is it better to learn how to coexist with AI and find ways to reduce the harm and destruction that it absolutely can cause.

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                Nothing about this is black and white, that’s my whole fucking point.

                I’m curious what your actual argument is as I suspect even you don’t know what it is beyond “AI Bad”, which from my perspective is the only real black-white argument here. I’m perfectly happy admitting that AI can be bad, I have said precisely this many times now. I’m suggesting that avoiding AI because of that ‘bad’, is a stupid waste of time and doesn’t actually help anyone find solutions the to bad stuff. Burying our head in the sand like this only makes us avoid the problem until, oh wait, its a huge fucking problem and now people are actually getting hurt. Lets face the problems head-on, lets figure it all out together, lets learn instead of hiding.

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                  I’m curious what your actual argument is

                  I said it at the very beginning- maybe you should be wary of it. You didn’t like such a meek suggestion, which is why I am saying you are seeing things in black-and-white terms.

                  Also, interesting that you never commented on my link about the environmental impact and yet have decided that I don’t know what my argument is beyond “AI bad.”

                  Did you even look at the link? What are your answers to the multiple major environmental problems that it brings up?

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                    Your argument is that I shouldn’t use AI because it might negatively impact my career? That’s not much of an argument considering that is a personal choice with personal consequences and I’ve been refuting that claim this entire time, it’s literally why we are here. Everything you have said since has effectively boiled down to “AI is bad because people get hurt”. Which is completely valid and I have agreed with this point at every single step here. Our conflict arises from having differing opinions about how to deal with the impact of AI as well as the balance between good/ bad that all things, including AI, exist within.

                    So, again I ask, what exactly is your argument? What is the ‘truth’ you are trying to convince me of? I believe I have made my ‘truth’ pretty clear in multiple different comments. Now I want to know yours, perhaps we have more common ground than you think and we don’t need to conflict.

                    Also, I did in fact comment on the environmental impact of AI. I told you I was choosing to ignore that point because I find the way that you brought it into the conversation to be childish and unproductive. It also has nothing to do with the correlation between the use of AI, careers, and the integration process of AI. Environmental impact is an engineering and sustainability problem, not a moral or ethical one. Different problem, different discussion.