The tool, which is able to cut lines at depths of up to 4,000 metres (13,123 feet) – twice the maximum operational range of existing subsea communication infrastructure – has been designed specifically for integration with China’s advanced crewed and uncrewed submersibles like the Fendouzhe, or Striver, and the Haidou series.
“Someone is very butthurt. Probably Chinese, by chance?”
nope, just smart,well-traveled and knowledgeable.
and… not a racist like you!
I followed the thread just to see where it landed and I was not disappointed.
And for a well travelled and knowleadgeable person, you give off a very narrow view.
So, in one corner, we have an authoritarian regime, well established, known for violently suppressing minorities and heavilly surveill the citizens, take over territories, and constantly menace and threaten others, while thriving by manipulating money flow world wide and internally using slave work to run their industries.
On the other, we have the exact same thing, but flag and language changes. And classical political quadrant.
You can loathe a regime and have nothing against the people underneath it. Chinese were lead into an authoritarian regime through force, Americans were subtly led to the same through fear. The original premise: a land of freedom, for the people.
If we can not agree both countries are, essentially, the same, then one of us is refusing to aknowledge facts, willingly.
“So, in one corner, we have…” a biased collection of recent historical political actions by one man by which you are judging an entire country, its culture that has existed at least 300 times as long as that dictator, as well as a population of 1.4 billion other people.
“On the other, we have…” a failed direct comparison that falls apart under the lightest scrutiny.
“You can loathe a regime and have nothing against the people underneath it”
nobody argued you can’t.
“Chinese were lead…” oh boy. rough.
“Americans were subtly led…”
HAhah, come on…okay. Please elucidate the subtleties of the American conservative, particularly their blunt leader.
“The original premise: a land of freedom, for the people.” This is incorrect. a “Muslim ban” was proposed.
look at his policies. Rump is a rapist. not a subtle rapist, just a rapist.
“f we can not agree both countries are, essentially, the same, then one of us is refusing to aknowledge facts”
I think you are much more ignorant of the facts than refusing to acknowledge them here.
These countries are not the same at all. All facts go against your failed comparisons here and the similarity between the two countries overall.
In fact, you argue against your own conclusion by claiming the two recent dictators came to power differently.
You have no cohesive point or consistency except for how contextually and factually ignorant you are regarding every point you try to make.
I like how you instantly decided I was talking about China when writing that list. Shows your bias. But if you recognized it, good. Only means the similarities run deep enough for both countries to be mistaken by one another.
Thank you for remembering China has, technically, the longest standing continuous civilization. I’m aware. But since we are focusing our attention on recent history, let’s say last 70 years, I’m going to opt out the rest as not relevant for the discussion at hand.
Shall we deny the revolution led by Mao ended in violence against his own countrymen and revolutionary allies? The decades of disastrous policies, of cultural, religious and social repression, all of those considered classical indicators of established totalitarian regimes?
Meanwhile, across the Pacific, let’s also ignore and deny the ever growing shadow power and pressure on the government by the “conservative” to hold back or cull whatever small advancements on the social front made, since the 1950’s, paired with the constant recitation of the fear against communism.
There was violence and repression on both ends of this argument, obviously; one enacted it through bullets, while the other enacted it through the pen. Different methods, same results. Fascinating how any ideology, when led to it’s extremes degenerates into essentially the same outcome.
Now, if you will allow me, I am going to preserve my critical and accusatory position towards the political establishments of China and USA, as both being authoritarian repressive dangerous regimes.
“…you instantly decided I was talking about China when…”
Yes, seeing as how you said you were commenting on a thread about China and the US, and then at the end mentioned the Chinese and the Americans by name with reference to your comments, I did come to the conclusion you were talking about China and the US.
since you were literally talking about China and the US.
“Thank you for remembering China has, technically, the longest standing continuous civilization.”
I did not say that and that is incorrect, but you’re welcome.
“I’m aware”
clearly, you are not.
“But since we are focusing our attention on recent history…”
that is your personal myopia, do not speak for others.
“Shall we deny the revolution led by Mao…”
I guess you could, but I don’t see the point of disagreeing with me there.
His regime and its effects are very well documented, If you look into it at all, you’re just going to prove me right.
“let’s also ignore and deny the…”
go for it.
you understand that your denial of basic historical facts is the reason you are so far off base here, right?
“Fascinating how any ideology, when led to it’s extremes degenerates into essentially the same outcome.”
I was waiting for your historically incorrect conclusion of magnet theory, and you finally made your way there.
your argument that the sky and the ocean are the same thing because they’re so far apart from each other is a ridiculous conclusion, but explains your thought process.
You finished waving your red herrings around?
I have to get all your uninformed false starts out of the way somehow.
You need me to recap this exchange inception? Allow me.
I injected myself in this as you made your opinion on how another person was racist torwards chinese in general, as they saw China, the country, as in the regime, as dangerous.
You ascertained your moral high ground out of being well travelled and cultured, without ever addressing a single point of the other person’s argument. Your concern was their apparent racism under your higher morality.
I opted by criticizing this position of your, by clearly stating why and how someone can loathe a country’s regime without having nothing against the people living there, adding in the process why I personally find America snd China’s regimes parallels, although ideologically opposite.
Again, you chose reiterating I am wrong in my views but without addressing a single point of it, except for making vague hollow observations that add nothing to the conversation, not adding counter points of information. Twice.
I’ve already deemed this a closed argument. I am doing it again. Be well, have a good one.
I don’t wanna get in on the whole shouting match whether China bad or China good, but DicksAndPozza was pretty explicitly not talking about the regime, but the Chinese culture and people. Which is racist.
“You need me to recap this exchange…?”
nope, I did that for you a couple comments above.
“as they saw China, the country, as in the regime, as dangerous”
you are making things up. That is not what @[email protected] said.
@[email protected] said:
"I hate the culture”, “I hate Chinese culturue”, “fuck China”, “I hate the whole thing”
The whole thing, sport. The people, the culture, the whole thing.
After I pointed out this was racist, DP was quick to change his tune, and say he hated everything about China, specifically the culture, except the people.
Hating culture or thinking one is superior to another is racism, especially when you know so little about the culture except the people who make it up.
Quick def for you: “Cultural racism is a concept that has been applied to prejudices and discrimination based on cultural differences between ethnic or racial groups. This includes the idea that some cultures are superior to others”
“Your concern was their apparent racism”
Yeah, I don’t like racism so I call it out when it occurs. Usually it stems from ignorance, and they just have to be called out to be woken up.
“criticizing this position of your,”
not my position, you’re making this up.
" personally find America snd China’s regimes parallels,"
absolutely absurd, as I explained above. but it’s good you changed your tune to: “although ideologically opposite”, which is still incorrect but more open-minded.
See, all I have to do is call you guys out and you start thinking more critically.
“without addressing a single point of it”
Which part do you want more help on? I have a lot of time and am free to continue correcting and educating you.
“without addressing a single point of it”
clearly not true, and you know it:
“except for…”
except for addressing every single point. With verifiable knowledge.
“I’ve already deemed this a closed argument”
Oh, clearly, it’s so closed you needed to write paragraphs rewriting yours and others’ comment history and reframing their racism.
“Be well, have a good one.”
Thanks, I’m having a GREAT one!
I literally said that I don’t hate Chinese people, I hate the culture. That is not racist to hate „work to death“ and „be worthless unless you reach a certain social status“ etc.
I’m sure there a nice aspects. But most of the culture seems forced and cruel. It’s all dependent on social status and that’s kinda sad. I hate that. I would hate it anywhere, not just in china. I would hate it in my country too. So how is this possibly racist? Some cultures are just worse than others.
You hate the culture as a whole? Or hate just the regressive/reactionary/conservative/more traditional(to a westerner) elements of it?
Dude how many exceptions you have to make for this argument to even work tells you everything you need to know.
“I literally said that I don’t hate Chinese people, I hate the culture”
hating a culture, especially when you don’t know anything about except the race of the people who make that culture, is racist.
what you actually said is:
“That country fucking sucks ass.”
these are your new arguments:
"That is not racist to hate „work to death“ and „be worthless unless you reach a certain social status“ etc. "
nobody said that was racist, because you haven’t said those before.
what is racist is you not liking Chinese people and their culture for no reason other than their race.
I am glad you are changing your position.
“I’m sure there a nice aspects.”
there are many.
“But most of the culture seems forced and cruel.”
this is a statement born of ignorance, you can’t draw this conclusion because you obviously don’t know anything about the culture.
as seen here:
“It’s all dependent on social status and that’s kinda sad.”
this is incorrect, stop drawing racist conclusions based on your assumptions and ignorance.
“how is this possibly racist?”
what is racist is you not liking Chinese people and their culture for no reason other than their race.
to the point that you will vehemently insult an entire country, including its people, despite not knowing what you’re talking about.
Tbh I’m gonna ignore you now. Call me a pussy but I’m tired of having my words twisted. I can hate the country. It’s not racist. It would be racist if I hate the people. But I don’t. I hate the culture and you say I don’t know anything about it, even though I just stated things that I know about it. I never mentioned the race. I mentioned „work to death“ to the point where there are grids in front of windows so people can’t jump. And I mentioned social status. What worth does an unmarried 34 year old man have in china? Exactly. Close to none. I know these things. Stop denying the truth.
And lastly FUCK YOU for repeatedly calling me a racist. You’re a fucking idiot if you think that. I clearly and obviously stated that I hate the culture, not the people. And I will say it again. I don’t hate Chinese people. I hate their culture and their government.
Kill me for it. I’m done with this useless discussion.
It’s all good dude. The other people reading this realize you’re not a racist, and that other guy you’re arguing with is extremely narrow in his definition and unnecessarily combative over semantics, to the point of being anal-retentive.
Thank you. I was starting to question myself but seriously couldn’t see anything wrong.
Also your description of this person is very polite. I would have just called them a fucking asshole.
Edit: I love how the person I replied to deleted all of their comments. Says a lot.
I haven’t deleted any of my comments. Why would I?
I prefer confronting bigots and those with limited understanding and correcting their ignorance.
You being racist is not “all good dude.”
You changing your tune is not bad, though.
You’re the only one frightened enough to be using personal insults.
Saying an entire country sucks ass when all you know about it is the race of its people is racist.
Hating cultures you don’t know anything about is racist.
What you said is racist.
I’m glad you’re changing your tune, but it doesn’t change your earlier racism.
“…I know these things.”
You are factually incorrect. you obviously know nothing about china if you think a huge swath of their workforce is useless.
You don’t know things, you are ignorant of things.
what you know: “I hate the culture”, “I hate Chinese culturue”, “fuck China”, “I hate the whole thing”
Most of this is defined as “cultural racism” - "Cultural racism is a concept that has been applied to prejudices and discrimination based on cultural differences between ethnic or racial groups. This includes the idea that some cultures are superior to others "
You said you hate all of it,which includes the 1.4 billion people, which is more conventional racism.
You are racist and are saying racist insults. That’s who you are now, but you do not have to be stuck there.
Now you are trying to change what you said, and claim you are not racist. That’s a good first step, really.
I see that your english is a bit wrong. It’s not smart, neither knowledgeable when opinions are presented as facts, that is called dumb and deceived in english
“…as facts, that is called dumb and deceived…”
You use incorrect words, conjugations, punctuation and definitions as incorrect responses to your own reading incomprehension. I can help you with your English(the capitalized language).
Your comments really come off as CCP propaganda. Either you drank the Koolaid, or your trying to fool people for the sake of a shitty government.
“Your comments really come off as CCP propaganda”
i warned against condemning and insulting am entire country of people and their culture because the self-appointed dictator is a harmful influence.
so by me criticizing the head of the CCP and his harmful influence on China, you are seeing “CCP propaganda”?
sounds like you might be influenced by…propaganda.
“trying to fool people for the sake of a shitty government.”
how does my criticism of the head of the Chinese government in charge of all policy decisions in the last decade fool youn into support of the Chinese government?