• gravitas_deficiency
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    7 months ago

    Libertarians want all the benefits of libertarianism AND socialism, but they don’t want to pay for any of it.

    That’s it. That’s the entirety of the political belief.

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      7 months ago

      Or they delude themselves into thinking everyone will pay their fair share voluntarily, forgetting that rich people exist who don’t give a fuck about the common good.

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        7 months ago

        Ok, I’ll bite.

        How is this childishly reductive if it expresses the root psychology and core motivation for the vast majority of Libertarians? It really does boil down to “I want to do what I want, and not pay for literally anything I’m not using right now”.

        That is a childishly reductive mentality, no? It speaks to a deep and fundamentally caustic sociopathy.

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      They want state-enforced socialism for themselves and crushing capitalist competition for all the people they feel are “beneath” them.

      In that sense, you are correct.

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      7 months ago

      Libertarians want all the benefits of libertarianism AND socialism, but they don’t want to pay for any of it.

      This is conjecture. Based on what are you making this claim? Libertarianism’s main focus is on maximizing the negative liberty of the individual.

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      7 months ago

      Libertarians want freedom from government force. They want to be able to fund healthcare by choice. They want the freedom to not have taxes being used to send weapons oversees. Libertarians are for social and economic freedom.

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        Until they get a tooth ache I guess.

        Is it morally right to make you pay ten times more when you need it (at the dentist /hospital/…) because you didn’t want to pay before?

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          I’m not sure what you are implying. An individual can pay for insurance or not. They are free to choose. Or they can pay for the entire cost upfront when problems arise.

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            7 months ago

            Exactly!

            So I pay my taxes for decades, and you don’t?

            Just going to the doctor for the first time at say 30 (imagining you started working at 20 but “decide” to not pay taxes) would cost you houndred of thousands of missed back pays before you get let into the building.

            Is that your libertarian thing? Or do you think you just would never go to the doctor/hospital/dentist/need an ambulance ride, … ?

            Or worse, you get it basically free?

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        Libertarians want freedom from government force.

        So where were you “libertarians” when BLM and other leftists were calling to defund and abolish the police?

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        Libertarians are, to an individual, categorical idiots who don’t seem to have the mental capacity to seriously and rigorously analyze and understand what a true “free-for-all” hypercapitalist society would imply. They just want to not pay taxes.

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          7 months ago

          There is no need to be rude. OP asked for libertarian views.

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            Yeah, but libertarians are antisocial asshole idiots by simple virtue of the fact that they think libertarianism is a viable concept. It’s just not, nor will it ever be going forward.

            I can put it another way: I find the ideology offensive and societally caustic in the extreme. We do not live in a vacuum. We live in a society (in a literal sense - not going for the meme here). To pretend that we don’t is incredibly dumb.