The bottom line: Don’t underestimate how badly some Democrats simply want a ticket that can win in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Win those, and Democrats likely win the presidency. Lose them, they’re toast.
It would seem that a Gretchen Whitmer / Mark Kelly ticket could get them that if they get enough exposure nationwide. Not sure if Kamala Harris and whomever she chooses would… and it would not be great if she is forced down our throats. Could they even get another primary going before the convention?
Interesting times ahead. Not fun, but interesting.
Maybe keeping Harris as VP would avoid the issues with either pushing her out or making her the nominee.
I would hope that Harris is more pragmatic and clear-eyed about the situation than Biden has been thus far - specifically, that she understands the goal is literally just to stop the fascists from taking over, and build bulwarks against that. Biden doesn’t seem to get the first one, and has utterly failed to do the second by any meaningful metric.
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It’d be fucking awesome if the Democratic Party leadership would realize that it’s not poker anymore and that bringing a deck of cards to a gunfight is going to make you lose the gunfight.
Yeah. Thought about that. Just don’t know how she’d take it. Guess it will be up to the Dems to convince her… if any of this even happens.
and were biden to withdraw and she were to take the VP position for another term, it would improve her standing in my mind tremendously. selflessness (or at least delayed gratifcation) is an attribute you want to see in a leader.
Maybe I’m not understanding the procedure here but Biden picked Harris. Wouldn’t a different nominee have the right to name the VP of their choosing?
I guess the best way forward is an open primary. If Harris wants the nomination she should run like any other candidate.
not disagreeing with you. a primary and delegate vote should asolutely rewrite the ticket. I am suggesting that, if the path of least resistance passes through kamala, I am not going to throw a a hissyfit as long as delegates get a fair vote on the presidential nominee.
True.
Gavin Newsom has basically been Biden’s media presence for much of the presidency. White male not very left I’d expect him as a contender for Harris’ running mate as the DNC continues chasing the theoretical moderate.
I’m in California and like Newsom as a governor overall.
Ask me about how he’s handled a few things and I’ll tell you he’s likely not fit for a post-primary introduction to the national stage. He needs vetted.
poke, poke… just a quick list to investigate on?
The PG&E dealings don’t look great. And even if he’s clean, he’s apt to look goofy.
French Laundry during COVID has mostly played out, but I still think it plays to character.
Former Senator and A.G. from California with current Governor from California to get Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin voters? I dunno.
I think they’d both be fine as President/Vice-President and I’d vote for that ticket. I just don’t see the excitement and energy they’d bring… other than being younger than the other side. They will be listed as elites from the right.
The right will call anyone other than themselves as whatever they feel like. Biden is just slightly left of center (for the US) and they call him a leftist. Honestly just being a decade plus younger would be massive imo. Not constantly having potential dementia being talked about would be great. Biden has been decent policywise minus Gaza. Policy is good enough for the avg voter looking at status quo>facism. He’s not left enough for a lot of us (e.g. stacking the court) here on lemmy but if you ask the avg person about Biden’s policies I’d bet they’d approve. The trouble for his campaign is that the good stuff isn’t talked about nearly as much as the his age.
Could they even get another primary going before the convention?
It’s not for another month, but…no. I don’t think so. I really hope there’s at least some semblance of voting before all the superdelegates start mouthing off in the press about their preordained candidate.
I don’t know how that would work with overseas voters on a really short timeframe. Not all mail in the world moves quickly, assuming even that we could get our ballot, fill it, print it, and get it to a post office in short order (me in Japan? yes. People in other countries such as in the Peace Corps in really rural areas? probably no).
We have Top Dems working on it right now.
“Who?”
“TOP Dems.”
If that’s true, I’m hoping they put up AOC. Maybe I should say “wish” because I’m near-certain they won’t.
Its definitely going to be Harris but there’s no better president-maker position than VP and VP AOC has been my pipe dream for this election. I don’t even think she’s the best progressive but I’ve joked with my friends AOC getting the VP nod right as shes turning 35 would make me believe in God.
She is in a completely safe district meaning that there are no downsides to promoting her as VP (or Senator for that matter). I could also imagine her going the route of Governor to gain some executive experience.
It’d be really nice, yeah. 🥲
personally, I think the dems make much more hay out a process over a coronation. have the debates, let released delegates decide on a nominee. these delegates, by-and-large do represent the communities they come from.
I have some faith that a small, politically active sub-group of our citizenry will give us back the gift of pseudo-democracy.
p.s. someone convince them to vote by ranked choice!
That would be great, but I’m not sure she would win. Obviously I don’t know, but it seems like moderates on the democratic side do better.
Last time I checked, which was quite a while ago, AOC was one of if not the most popular politician in America. Bernie would’ve won in 2016 if not for DNC shenanigans, and there’s a strong possibility of the same for 2020.
s/popular/polarizing
Its not her fault, the Right has built up a caricature of her and their media has pushed that caricature for years. So as much as Democrats love her and her positions, Republicans hate her and the lies they are fed every day about her positions.
Can you define terms more specifically? Is AOC more popular in her district than others are in their districts? Or is AOC more popular across the country? I suspect the latter isn’t true, as she fills a relatively small niche. The former could be true, due to her district and how unpopular most politicians are.
As for Bernie, he might’ve won the primary, and possibly beaten Trump. But he would’ve been eaten alive by a Rubio or Christie, which is what everyone expected them to land on. Trump was widely regarded as a joke candidate that would disappear by election day.
To be clear, my declarative memory is complete garbage. I remember processes, and so remembering facts only comes easily in the contexts of those processes. With that said, I believe AOC is a very popular figure throughout the nation, with all of the caveats of being a political figure, and therefore divisive.
I’d enjoy Katie Porter. Not sur how the rest of America feels about that, but if I don’t get her as senator, I’d be tickled to have her as Prez.
Franken/Stewart 2024.
Let’s do this.
Please don’t suggest this… I can only get so hard.
If she wasn’t such a tool, I would go with Franken/Stein just for the lols.
President Mark Kelly with vice-president Kamala Harris… Make an Astronaut President, let’s go.
“The bottom line: Don’t underestimate how badly some Democrats simply want a ticket that can win in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Win those, and Democrats likely win the presidency. Lose them, they’re toast.”
Democrats can’t lose ANY of them. A Trump win in ANY throws him the election. Biden has to go 3 for 3 to win.
Here’s a likely map:
Right now he’s down in PA and WI and MI is a tossup.
I hate how the votes of people from 47/50 states have so much less value. What a terrible system.
Not that they have less value, it’s that they have an expected value.
The entire west coast votes Democratic, that’s just a given.
The entire south votes Republican, that’s also a given.
So it comes down to the persuadable states.
Georgia would beg to differ. They went blue last time, and are at a dead heat.
Florida would like you to wrestle gator before you can vote, just for the chaos.
Georgia was an aberration last time. The only reason they went blue was because of increased vote by mail making voting more accessible, that’s not in the cards this time.
Currently Trump +3 over Biden and +10 over Harris.
Well the population density in those areas is so low. And yet they still get two senators.
At what point in the continued process of that not happening do we tell people to fuck off about saying it?
You don’t even have someone it “shoulda been.”
Great - another election where “heath issues” means that voters don’t actually get to pick the democratic nominee.
not ideal by a long shot, but if the dems get their shit together and transparently let the country see how the sausage is getting made, I am willing to settle for a delegate vote on a range of candidates. thats why we have the delegates in tue first, place.
dems get bonus points for showing what responsible crisis management looks like.
