In it’s ‘war against Hamas’ Israel has now bombed 3 countries that has no Hamas
The problem with the Israeli attacks i gaza is not the attacks themselves. Israel should have the right to defend themselves on all sides.
The problem is, that in Palestine they are using this as an excuse to kill as many civilians as they can get away with. This is genocide. They are more or less regulating the population of Palestine, and arguing that they in reality are fighting Hamas. The civilians are unfortunate accidents (that more or less keep on happening day in and day out)
Because cowering behind civilians in the hopes their deaths garner sympathy is totally not in the terrorist handbook
It is! But that is no excuse for killing so many civilians.
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If a serial killer runs into a school you don’t bomb the school. Well, I wouldn’t consider it justified, but apparently Israelis do.
When there are literally thousands of serial killers and the school was declared closed but filled with children to protect the serial killers it is justified at this point because to negotiate with terrorists itself promotes these tragedies. A school gets flattened so a dozen others might live. The greater good.
lol no it’s still not justified to kill a bunch of innocent kids.
So if the only way to save your children was to pull a lever to have the trolley hit another child who happens to also be throwing rocks at yours you’d not pull it? You’d watch your children get run over to save the life of a hostile child? How believable you sound.
Even the children are hostile in your made-up world? Please, do us all a favor and forgo breeding.
The absolute audacity of this comment leaves me speechless.
Merry fuck you.
Whenever I’m curious about how people got in the frame of mind to support the Nazis, I just have to see those kinds of comments to remember how. Some people haven’t evolved past that dehumanization apparently.
I for one don’t think you can ever justify killing civilians, let along tens of thousands of them.
Then again, I’m not a monster so 🤷
and yet you (directly or indirectly) literally support known terrorists.
I do not support Israel.
But if you’re referring to Hamas, I don’t support them either; as I clearly said I don’t support the killing of innocent people. Even if that is in response to the murder of innocent people.
Hamas suck, As does the Israeli government and anybody that supports their actions over the last 9/10 months and even longer than that to be honest.
Hamas suck
See, you’re doing it again. No, Hamas doesn’t just ‘suck’. It’s this false equivalence BS that has my ire. Hamas… are. literal. terrorists. and that is not in dispute by anyone worth listening to. Hamas as a strategy kill, rape, torture, and take hostage anyone they can get their evil fucking hands on. Israel wants to just exist but have been putting up with the afforementioned terrorism for 80 years. So they got a little Nietzschian. Israel is sick of it. I would be too if I was in their shoes.
That’s the difference. They have a right to exist and I support that unequivocally. Are they perfect? Of course not. Would they be as hostile to Palestinians as they are had Terrorism Incorporated not made every minute of the last 80 years constant jeopardy? Um probably not. Is this a genocide? Not yet, but it could be if team Hamas doesn’t smarten up and say ‘hey now maybe peaceful solutions are a good idea’. Until then, Fuck Hamas and their putting civilians lives in jeopardy with their stubbornness.
If and when they surrender and release the hostages Israel continues this assault then yeah. They the baddies. Right now they are just getting their hands dirtier than you, sitting comfortably in your a/c sipping a latte somewhere else, would prefer protecting themselves.
So you don’t see how Israelis settlers make life unlivable for Palestinians? Or that Israel has taken more and more territory over the last 8 decades?
You seem to only want to shit on the terrorists Hamas and find issue with my choice of words, and not address any critique of Israel at all. That get my ire, the fact that people will focus on Hamas.
Yeah, fuck you
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Sorry Huttis. Didn’t mean to offend you.
Yes you did. Though I’m not offended, I’m just letting you know you’re unwanted.
Please don’t bomb some random innocent in my stead.
Again, fuck off. You’re a terrorist mouth piece, you make this community worse. Please go somewhere else.
no no. You’re the terrorist mouthpiece. I’m the one supporting a government just trying to protect its citizens from rampant murders/hostage takers.
Iran has been fighting a proxy conflict against Israel through the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas since 1985.
How is a state that’s largely funded by another state not a proxy for the bigger state? It’s not a Israel Iran proxy war. It’s a us Iran proxy war
Iran has been supplying the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas with munitions, intel, and training to support attacks on Israel.
And the US has been doing the same for Israel
… Israel will sink our ships if they find them inconvenient.
Perhaps, but they’d do it with missiles that we designed and gave them. – this is the problem.
They absolutely will. On the other hand the Houthis attacked a Russian ship the other day so same I guess.
Israel is a sovereign nation. According to international law, they are held responsible for their actions. The same law does not apply to independent rebel groups, putting the responsibility on Iran.
If Israel can declare itself a sovereign nation on another peoples land there is no reason rebel groups cannot call themselves legitimate rulers. Anyone can call themselves anything.
There are criteria. It’s not simply self declared.
International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, a government not under another, and the capacity to interact with other states.
Technically, Hezbollah is a proxy for Israel.
How so? My understanding is that Hezbollah is supported by Iran, Syria, North Korea, Russia, and Lebanon.
Most of their money and support is coming through Lebanon. And the Moussad is injecting massive ammounts of graft into the Lebanese government in order to destabilize it.
Possibly because this is retaliation for drone strikes and not part of the “war against Hamas.”
People have been warning from day 1 about the possibility of a regional escalation.
Apparently you cannot spend months acting in a way that neighboors who already don’t like you find morally reprehensible without some of those neighbors inserting themselves into the conflict.
The real question is how long can Iran avoid getting dragged into that. And if Iran gets involved directly, will we be able to contain this to a regional war, or will this small decades old conflict between parties whose total population is only about 12 million become the trigger for world war 3.
It’s less the people and more the trade routes and resources. Some would argue the most important in the world
God I hope so. I had a dream once that the entirety of the land between the black sea and the gulf of aden was glassed smooth, and finally the world was at peace.
Maybe someone mumbled “they have hummus” and everyone else just rolled with it?
3?
You forgot one at least. Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Yemen. Maybe you can find the common denominator within these 4.
Keep appealing to those flimsy technicalities. Totally working!
FYI: Houthis recruit and have been responsible for the battliefield deaths of thousands of child soldiers.
Neither side is the good guy here.
Neither is good, but bombing the child soldiers feels worse.
Once you’re responsible for the deaths of thousands of children, I don’t think it’s a “which is worse” contest.
Because really, you don’t get much worse than murdering thousands of children.
Add it to the pile of Israeli war crimes
Israel is not responsible for the child murders of the Houthis. Only the ones they commit themselves.
Fair. But not great that everyone is supporting Saudis instead of actually doing peace keeping just like they do when looking other when Israel does whatever it wants
Believe me, you won’t hear me praising the Saudis either. Especially not after the Mecca girls’ school fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls’_school_fire
And that’s not even taking 9/11 into account.
Israel hasn’t been fighting these child soldiers. They were part of the Yemeni civil war.
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“24 is the highest number.”
Killed by Saudi Arabia with American weapons
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I’m sorry, that sounds really traumatic and I hope it hasn’t followed you with additional trauma.
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To paraphrase: “The Houthis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else and nobody was going to bomb them.”
Maybe don’t bomb people, and, failing that, don’t be surprised when they bomb you back.
Funny, works with “The Israelis entered…” too.
Funnier still how the headlines on certain publications work. Houthis bomb Israel, Israel bombs them back; headline is “Israel bombs Yemen in Escalation with Houthis”.
Yeah, it should just say “Yemenis die amid bombing”.
hopefully they try to open a third front with Lebanon and seal the deal on the end of their apartheid settler project 🙏
Lebanon won’t end Israel, or vice versa, but making a move on the Golan Heights might.
Is this still called self defence? Surely people can see through this. No?
Yes, Israel escalated this. When they bomb innocent trade ships, that’s fine, that’s not escalation that’s just tuesday and they are being cute.
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Some of these comments are weird.
The Houthis have been keeping up their blockade for 8 months and have already been bombed by US coalition forces multiple times.
I don’t think they are at all surprised aside from the fact that it took Israel this long to do the exact same thing.
I keep seeing lots of “find out phase” comments on other threads which doesn’t make any sense because they’ve been effectively at war for years on end, and definitely with Israel for 8 months.
The more interesting notion is that Israel also probably bombed some residential areas unlike the US who were trying to destroy missile launch sites to end the blockade.Unsure because it was an oil depot.
It’s fucking wild who I’m siding with these days.
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Israel being the world’s most hated state was not in my bingo cards for this millennium.
Really? Haven’t you been paying attention for the last 77 years?
Being hated for being religious or a certain type of religion IS VERY DIFFERENT than being hated for being genocidal assholes.
Same way most people don’t care for a certain German vegetarian painter’s antics in that timeframe, but not the German people.
Or not liking TV Evangelists because they’re greedy assholes that steal from the poor to buy private jets. The fairy stories they peddle are irrelevant.
The Houthi leadership is just as evil as the Israeli leadership, in terms of how they brutalize and murder noncombatants who don’t share their views and want no part in their holy war.
After 8 months the Huthis reached the find out phase.
For the people who criticize fellow arabs don’t care about palestinians.
The Houthis have been cruisin’ for a bruisin’
Israel has since 1948.
Houthis have been getting bombed of more than four years now by United States and Saudi Arabia. Israel ain’t gonna do shit.
The efforts of ansarallah have been nothing short of heroic
Behold ‘heroism’ in all its glory!
I’m really getting tired of people casting these murderers in a good light just because they’re fighting Israel.
Not every fight has a good side and a bad side. Sometimes they’re both bad sides. If North Korea and Mynamar went to war, I would hope no one here would be cheering either side on.
It depends how it starts. If North Korea invades a city, slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes, retreats taking a bunch of hostages to boot, and justifies it with a history of shared animosity they’re probably not going to be the sympathetic ones regardless of the opponent being Myanmar.
slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes
So it’s the eye contact that you object to?
Because the occupation forces have been doing the rest of the things you list and more for 75 years.
I’m not saying that justifies terrorism, nothing does, but if you want to cast the greater villain, it behooves you to choose the ones that have killed, raped and abducted by far the greater numbers while being the only ones with the power to stop or at the very least dramatically deescalate the atrocities.
No, Hamas has the power to stop. All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages. After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity. Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves. The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy (and you’re supporting that strategy). Not Israel’s fault. Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.
Hamas has the power to stop
The power to stop Israel? The FUCK they do!
All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages
Bullshit. Netanyahu himself keeps saying that they’ll not accept any deal that doesn’t let them resume the genocide after getting the hostages back.
Hamas and the hostages are just pretenses covering for the fact that the fascist apartheid regime is hellbent on killing or displacing all Palestinians and erasing all traces of them ever existing in Gaza.
After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity.
As I pointed out above, the intent is clear: the Israeli government wants to “eliminate Hamas” and considers every Palestinian a part of or at the very least in support of Hamas. Including the children.
It that’s not enough for you to admit that it’s a genocide, nothing will be.
Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!
Your double standards are showing.
The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy
No, Israel has killed over 100x as many because Israel has one of the biggest and most advanced military in the history of humanity whereas Hamas is a couple thousands of poorly armed terrorists and the real “enemy” the IDF is targeting is the Palestinian population at large.
and you’re supporting that strategy
Classic Zionist bullshit. Not being pro-genocide like you doesn’t mean that I’m pro-Hamas.
Whether Hamas is “trying to” make it so or not, it takes someone who’s either heartless or completely blinded by Hasbara gaslighting to see 186,000+ die, most of them civilians, and not have sympathy for the civilians of Gaza.
Not Israel’s fault.
That’s the biggest lie you’ve told yet, which is saying a shitload.
Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.
So what you’re saying is that Israel has to keep up the genocide? After all, it’s not like they have anyone else to negotiate with than Hamas.
Be better. Or at the very least less credulous.
So you’re saying there are good mass child murderers and bad mass child murderers?
Gonna be honest: Yes. You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop. They went out to murder children, looked children who were cowering in the eyes, and murdered them in cold blood. Then they went back, put their own children near their weapon stores, hid among their children, and begged third parties to keep them from getting punished for murdering children. Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back, I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them.
You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop
Both are, but the occupation forces on a much larger scale.
looked children who were cowering in the eyes
Man, you REALLY seem to hate eye contact…
put their own children near their weapon stores
That’s Hasbara bullshit. It’s just what the IDF claims when they target schools and want to pretend that it’s somehow justified.
Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back
Pretty sure Netanyahu has been safe in his palace this whole time
I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them
You know that the Israeli military prisons are full of tens of thousands of innocent civilians arrested, tortured, and raped by the IDF for just being at the wrong place (which is often their own home) at the wrong time, right?
Of course you don’t. Because the IDF never lie and every human rights group is Hamas 🙄
I think your confusing north and south korea
Except that has nothing to do with their heroic fight against the US navy and Israel.
