I live in a river valley that tornadoes generally jump over. I also live on a hill much higher than the river will ever flood even in a catastrophic event like this.
And yet, back in June…
No tornado, just high-speed wind. And a lot of our neighbors got it worse than us. Trees through people’s windows, branches on cars, some of the roads in our subdivision were completely blocked for a couple of days. Houses are still being repaired.
There is nowhere safe from climate change.
Had one of those in my area a few years ago. Just like 5 minutes (probably less) of a freak strong wind and the massive tree in my backyard fell, along with many others. I’ve never seen anything like it before. Well, I probably have, just at an intensity low enough that it was a non-event.
Yep. This couldn’t have been more than 5-10 minutes.
Trees usually grow more wind resistant if they are exposed to more wind. This might just mean that your climate is also changing (quickly) or a unusually strong gust of wind came along. The particular tree also might have been sick.
Like I said, it was the entire neighborhood. In fact, the entire town.
https://wibqam.com/2024/06/26/photos-and-video-of-the-june-25-storm-and-damage-left-in-its-wake/
The SBA actually offered low-interest disaster loans to both residents and businesses because the damage was so bad.
Landslide mudslides on mountains are way more scary than floods. Floods you get a boat ok, landslides you’re dead and buried.
Cleaning it is a bitc*.
Edit: wth, we have profanity filters here?
Profanity filters barely begins to scratch the surface of the heavy restrictions on lemmy.ml. The admins there are also well-known for banning people from not just communities but the entire instance if you criticize China, Russia, North Korea, etc., or certain leaders of such, or communist, etc. Imagine a Truth Social instance, except claiming to be leftist instead of right-wing - their way is the correct way and that’s final, dissent not allowed.
As it result, it has developed into quite the echo chamber. Not that that matters much to you bc you can access most communities across the entire Fediverse from there, or vice versa.
What may matter to you though is that many people, myself included, have user blocks in place (and lemmy.cafe has even defederated from it entirely) that prevents us from getting notifications from people on that instance. Blocking the big three instances (hexbear.net, Lemmygrad.ml, and lemmy.ml) cuts out >99% of the toxic crap coming our way, at the expense of conversations with innocent people who merely were not aware of the history of that instance and its relation to the Fediverse at large. I also lose out on a few larger communities that way but for me at least I consider it well worth the cost. So if you ever feel isolated, like people from other instances are ignoring what you say… it may be due to this effect, i.e. we may literally not even be aware that you replied to us at all.
So now you know.
Fuck Russia.
Profanity filter is enough for me to block the instance. Thanks for letting me know.
Lemmy.ml does. Lemmy.world does not. Come over to the dark side.
Eh, as long as you’re not spreading western propaganda you can pretty much say what you want. Fuck Russia!
Mudslides are a thing that many people not living in mountainous terrain simply don’t realize exists.
The word “mudslide” also kinda hides the nuance that those contain stones.
Is a landslide different to a mudslide?
Landslides have bigger “chunks” in them and each individual point in a landslide moves a smaller distance than mudslides which are much finer and “flow” almost like an extremely oversized river, just made of mud.
And if you are very, very lucky, it’ll happen in that order.
That is true. Flood creep in inch by inch and you get to run, landslide you need future sight.
“Who am I supposed to sell my house in Florida to!??!!?!??”
Conservatives. It’s a victimless crime. Come on guys.
FUCKING AQUAMAN?!?!
No, Shazam. Aquaman is into too many environmental issues to be conservative.
Have you tried getting a good auctioneer?
Why don’t people who have had their house burned to the ground in the wildfires just sell their homes and move? 🤪
To who the human torch?! Shit that joke doesn’t work does it?
It isn’t so much that the mountains flooded.
They’ve flooded before.
It’s how badly they’ve flooded. We may mot ge getting extra storms from climate change, but it certainly can make the existing storms worse.
IMO that’s what we’re seeing more of. From straight line winds being more damaging, to storm systems that might only have a couple tornados to now having a dozen.
But also we are getting extra storms? The average number of storms per season is up
That’s kinda the same thing tho. The entire scale gets moved up, because there is more energy available in the atmosphere and water to form and power storms. So when all the storms get more powerful, you get more hurricanes, because in the past those would not have grown big enough to be classified as such. Small local storms can more easily grow to become larger, having a bigger impact. And wind patterns can change as well, so it’s very complex and hard to predict. The one thing we know for sure: it’s bad news.
Except scientists have been predicting that they will happen, with increasing frequency from now onwards. Ignoring those predictions isn’t the same as them not existing. Those predictions may not say like “May 11, 2025 a mudslide will go down this specific hill”, but even lacking precision they are proving fairly accurate (especially “the climate is currently changing” and “as that process occurs, both the frequency and severity of dangerous storms will increase”).
Tbf, the for-profit media only sells stories that make the most profits, not what would be most beneficial for people to be made aware of. And while the latter used to be done by the government, now that “facts” themselves are “political”, it is hamstrung in that regard, especially held hostage by the budgetary fights. And with the two most official sources of factual information delivery having been coopted, we now have left behind the information age and have already entered the era of misinformation, or dare we say even disinformation, especially for people who get their “news” from Facebook.
On the bright side, the more stuff that happens, the easier it gets to predict. In the meantime, a lot of people are going to not merely lose some money but actually and fully die, maybe after seeing their entire families die before their eyes. And as it happens they will be shocked, Shocked I say, SHOCKED! Again, just as happened before with covid as well, and as also happens to each individual woman who has a miscarriage or such and needs a medically necessary abortion, but only when it is far too late to do anything about it - i.e. to fly or drive hundreds of miles to another state and live there for the duration of the pregnancy - finds out that yes those laws apply to her as well (surely she thinks to herself, “b-b-but this isn’t an abortion, it’s necessary!?” To which the doctors can only think to themselves “ikr!?!?!? if only ‘facts’ mattered, you know!?”), and this in areas that are at least well-off enough to not have healthcare deserts that won’t even handle regular pregnancies.
The one thing we know for sure: it’s bad news.
You made some very good points and I hope you don’t think I’m picking on you, I just thought these additional considerations seemed highly relevant. Lastly I guess I’m disagreeing with the final point: no, we cannot even all agree that it’s bad news, when the budget affecting literally all of us is held hostage by people who are still adamant about it not being allowed to be considered that it is happening at all. So yes, it is bad news, but the obstinacy surrounding that bodes far worse for us all than each individual incident could ever be.
Yup, also south Georgia historically gets missed by most hurricanes. Now that area has been hit by two in a matter of weeks. These are not coastal areas but 100+miles from the coast.
Yeah, everyone I was talking to about it was very confused why I was worried about a hurricane at my location.
Also that argument is dead on arrival because they expect you and businesses and the entire city to pack up and leave as if it would cost nothing. They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!
If anyone ever says “just move” you know they have zero concept of the word “community” or “moving costs” or “nuance”. They just don’t want to address the cause of the problem because they’re, at best, cowards.
Fucking Aquaman??
Don’t forget the Submariner and Namor
Submariner and Namor?
Comic and MCU separately
Ohhhh, Namor and Submariner.
Haha I literally had Ben written in but opted to remove it. Fuck Ben Shapiro.
I will never not laugh at that. He spends so long chopping with the axe, and then drops the punchline. It’s perfect.
If its our area (Flordia coast)… that’s not a problem.
Buyers don’t care. They don’t know squat about flooding or hurricanes, they just come in from out of state and get dazzled by the realtor and the weather and everything and buy.
Our housing market was so crazy houses were being auctioned left and right. Market value just keeps going up, even on the coast.
TL;DR if the area is superficially attractive enough, home buyers are idiots. I realize this is probably not the case in Georgia mountains, but it his here, and its enabling a vicious cycle where builders keep building homes in obvious flood zones, where they absolutely shouldn’t.
I was talking to some friends last weekend, and one of them said that they had previously owned a house on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. I said, “I love the Outer Banks, love visiting it, but I would never buy real estate there.” He said, “Yeah, it took a couple years for us to figure that out.”
Of course, the islands are basically giant sandbars, and there’s the sea level rise issue. But I hadn’t considered that the environment is just that much harder on houses - roofs need to be replaced more often, wood rots more quickly, and so on - and that’s not even including a hurricane coming through. When the kind kicks up, which happens pretty regularly there, the house is getting sandblasted. The maintenance costs are much higher compared to an inland house, and I assume insurance is much higher, and so on.
They rented it out to vacationers to help offset that cost, but they found that they weren’t breaking even - they have to charge competitive rates to get customers, but those rates weren’t covering all of the major upcoming expenses.
But, there’s still a market for houses there. I imagine the recent images in the news of houses collapsing into the water have to be having an effect, but the bottom doesn’t seem to be falling out like you’d think.
Not exactly. My coworker has been trying to sell his waterfront home for over a year. He keeps having to rehab it after flooding from storms and then right back on the market. No luck. Starting October 13th or something you have to start disclosing floods when selling, also.
That doesn’t fix the problem, it just changes who has the problem. Though I’ll admit that idiots buying bad stuff from other idiots in a cycle until eventually one idiot gets their life totally ruined feels a little on the nose.
They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!
You have to sell the story that the area is a conservative utopia where people can live free of wokeness.
Then the conservative refugees from the satanic, communist areas will flock to you to buy your land.
Broad brushes don’t work. I moved out of country in my early twenties. Moved back home in my mid twenties, then proceeded to move to three different coasts over the course of the next decade, selling two homes and most belongings in the process before ultimately moving to an inland city that’s a fourteen hour drive from where I grew up and knew nobody (I’ve been here nearly twenty years now). If the area goes to hell then yeah, I’ll scope out job options and quality of life in other locations, sell my house and unnecessary belongings, and move my boys and I. It isn’t nearly as difficult as people flap about. Staying somewhere until theirs no longer a buyers market is short sighted similar to people refusing to leave Biloxi when it was certain to be destroyed (one of the places I moved out of) and folks deserve what they get if they refuse to leave. I’d love for us to fix the climate and socioeconomic issues so difficult decisions didn’t need to be made but people burying their heads in the sand and refusing to look out for themselves and their family in response to global and societal issues will never make sense to me. Control what you can control but recognize what you don’t control and adapt. If folks aren’t going to take responsibility for the things they can control I don’t see any reason to fret about the things outside of their control negatively impacting them.
I mean, you’re the one who bought it currently, just find an equal or dumber person like yourself, bam. Simple. At its core, this is basically how all products are sold.
That’s funny and I’m sure you know this but for purposes of discussion -
Think about a couple common examples:
I would pay like a thousand dollars not to wash clothes by hand for a few years.
You see washing machines are like $500-$1000, you buy, you’re happy.
I’d pay five bucks to have a sweet dark tasting liquid in my mouth and not be as tired.
Cha-ching, Starbucks makes a sale.
So even rational consumers often make purchases when their expected utility/satisfaction exceeds the monetary cost.
You’ve completely missed the point about community, eh? And you know people don’t get to pick where they’re born or where their extended family lives, right? So they get born into these places and get locked down for whatever reason and can’t leave. Certainly they can’t all leave in one perfect unit all at the same time.
Also that’s not how all products are sold, holy shit. Maybe certain drop shippers, sure, but that’s not how it works.
I can tell you the other thing people do as they grow up and that is develop their own views. Growing up in Texas, I didn’t realize anything was wrong or out of the ordinary politically/ideologivally. My parents had their views which initially became my views since that was what was normal in my family and community
Getting older and more mature, I realized I didn’t agree with my state or parents but I also didn’t have the option to pack up and leave. By the time I was able to sustain myself and build a life, I had already gotten a job, a relationship, and wanted to start building my own family. Doing that meant staying where I was since my in-laws were in the same city and my spouse didn’t want to be away from them.
Even if on paper to some people it is as easy as just sell your house and leave there are complicating factors. I don’t want my kids to have to deal with hurricanes, power grid failures, intolerance of others, and everything else Texas has to “offer” but at the same time, its not so easy to just bail and start again.
Can’t really escape the power grid failures, but as far as hurricanes and intolerance go, there’s always Austin.
The problem is that they have really ramped up enshitifying the public school system in the last few years. It was never great but either its gotten a lot worse or I have become much more aware of it in the last few years.
The power grid stuff is probably the easiest to fix with a solar setup but I don’t know that I want to spend that money in a state I don’t want to stay in longer term.
Dude it’s just moving, it’s not that hard. People do it multiple times in their lives. Relax.
Moving is expensive. At this point I think most people are living paycheck to paycheck.
Ben Shapiro is never going to get rid of hus beach house, is he?
At its core, this is basically how all products are sold.
Imagine being so neck deep in the scam economy that you don’t even remember that products that aren’t scams exist.
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The problem is a town was built where there should not be one. Flood plains WILL flood. Rebuilding is pointless. It will just be destroyed again. At some point we have to cut our losses.
“A” town didn’t flood, there’s wreckage across the entire southeast. It’s not because people in the south are too stupid to know where to build, it’s because climate change is making hurricanes stronger further inland, resulting in century and thousand year floods happening.
A drought in south america has caused out of control wildfires that dumped 210 megatons of CO2 in the atmosphere, this year alone.
That’s just from wildfires in one continent. Now add it to all the CO2 produced in one year.
The runaway effects are becoming more evident and unfortunately people will have to finally give up on huge swaths of land or be killed. Save the planet, hang a CEO
It’s both - yes, places are getting hit with types and scales of natural disasters they could not have anticipated, but they’re also rebuilding in places that will get hit hardest when they do it again
Consider the idea of a 100 year standard - you’re building to the level where it won’t hold up to the storm of a lifetime. Let alone the fact that storms keep getting worse… It boggles my mind
So move further inland. You people act as if the entire fucking continent became Atlantis after one fucking storm.
And those type of floods will only increase in frequency. This is the new normal. People will need to move if they don’t want to be rebuilding every couple years.
Move where? Are you suggesting we just abandon everywhere within hundreds of miles of the coast? People living hundreds of miles inland and not in a flood plain are affected by this as well. Look at an elevation map of North Carolina, and then tell me which side you think would be safer to be on: the side with mountains, or the low lying side by the ocean?
Because it was the western part of NC that got fucking wrecked. Suggesting that people should have foreseen this as inevitable when they chose to be born into communities that have been in the same place for literally hundreds of years without experiencing floods on this level is unrealistic, as is expecting people to just up and move with money they may not have to places where they have no community.
Expecting that we can just offload the price of climate disasters on those affected by going “oh well you should have just lived somewhere else” isn’t just inhumane, it’s ostrich head in sand behavior. Your community isn’t safe from climate change, either. You better hope people haven’t run out of empathy by the time you or your family need help.
Hah and abandon NYC, Boston, DC, SF, LA, Sydney, plus entire countries like Holland, the UK, India with its billion people, etc? This is madness. There is nowhere safe to go and the numbers of people to be displaced are staggering
On top of what the other person said people still need to live in those places. It is actually crazy to say that the entire south-eastern seaboard of the United States should just be permanently evacuated wholesale. We could slow, or even stop, a lot of this by just admitting that climate change is real and doing something about it and it would be a helluva lot cheaper than turning several states in ghost towns.
During the pandemic, Trump dragged his feet in developing a response to it - leaked conversations mentioned how individual #1 liked the fact that it was primarily affecting highly liberal areas such as NYC and LA, while leaving conservative strongholds such as Idaho and Utah alone, and had asked about delaying the federal response a bit so as to let the people in the former stew in it a bit more, for his political advantage.
Also I note that that same individual #1 was in charge of nationwide disaster recovery efforts - even going so far as to take the binders of ready-made plans and throw them into the garbage.
So this whole “it is not the job of the government to use its tax collected revenue to take care of We The People” is very much by design. i.e. not merely a factual matter but a political one, in having to choose between deeper tax breaks for the wealthy vs. preparedness. And Individual #1 made that choice, in conjunction with Congress, that now applies to us all.
In fact, the former swing state turned Republican stronghold NC is one of the very reasons why climate change is hitting us so strong and fast, unprepared and seemingly even unawares.
Perhaps “admitting that climate change is real and doing something about it” is something that NC will now change its mind about, so that the federal government can do differently?
But I somewhat doubt it. It is very hard to help someone who seems dead set against being helped, nor allowing the rest of us to help ourselves as well (see e.g. medically necessary abortions).
I’m not saying to abandon the whole southeast, but something in the range of 15 million US homes are built in flood plains. A large portion of these are in Texas and Florida. It is absolute madness to keep building and rebuilding in these areas.
Even if we drop global CO² emissions to zero tomorrow, it will take more than a century to even begin to see trends reverse. In the mean time lowland areas will continue to flood over and over.
Well dang. If only we knew about this back in the 70s, we’d have some time to focus on green energy, increasing efficiency, reducing excess, and building homes/communities that could withstand the changing climate.
Hurricane Irene and Schoharie County, NY. It’s happened before, and it’s gonna happen again.
And more frequently each year
As a person that packed up and moved from Florida. It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done.
Leaving Florida was one of the more joyous occasions in my life. I moved somewhere with earthquakes and wildfires, but at least my daughters will have access to reproductive healthcare and if one of my kids turns out gay or trans they won’t be under existential thread. Natural Florida I absolutely love, esp when it used to be weird (a la Carl Hiaasen) but christ almighty is it a failed state.
I felt this. One of my partners cars was hit with a bat because she had a pride sticker on it. Our partner was asked to resign as a math teacher because they’re trans and respected students’ pronouns. By the end of COVID I was concealed carrying just to go grocery shopping.
I miss Florida wildlife deeply. I was part of Florida trail association thought I was never going to leave but life throws curve balls it’s up to you to figure out how to catch them.
Alabama native. Right there with you. The people changed so much during COVID that we started making plans in 2020 to get out before the next election. We moved this summer. Life is better and I’m no where near as worried about having to shoot someone to protect myself or family.
I brought a jar of red clay dirt with me. I’ll always miss the woods and creeks I knew.
Damn I should have brought some of that clay with me too.
We left 2022 I don’t have anywhere as much money as I did when I lived there but I’m far happier then I was there post COVID. Glad to hear you and your family are safer now.
Nothing quite like Florida cold springs for sure. I lived in Orlando and definitely took advantage of Rock Springs, Wekiwa, Blue Springs, etc. Truly magical places.
Thanks friend you reminded me of vortex springs in Ponce De Leon that’s some good memories.
Won’t have access to water soon though
If we stopped growing almonds for the entire freaking world Norcal would have lots and lots of water. 80% of California water goes to agriculture, 20% of that is for tree nuts, and 2/3rds of them are exported overseas.
I do agree (as a Michigan native originally) the best prospects over the next 50 years are Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. But both career prospects and winter make that a hard miss for me.
Wait till you learn about alfalfa.
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California does not depend on Almonds, it only accounts for 1/4 of 1% of the California economy.
Worrying about the water use of almonds when animal agriculture is right there is absurd in any case.
MN sure looks nice
Plus, who are you supposed to sell your house to? Fucking aquaman?
To the people pushing hlthis narrative that want to buy houses in a vacation destination cheap then rent them for $600/night.
That’s a great joke I’ve heard before, but forgot who wrote it
Hbomberguy, in response to Ben Shapiro talking about coastal flooding in this vid (yeah yeah youtube sucks, it’s where he posts) https://youtu.be/RLqXkYrdmjY?si=4NqX0czakOD5XOxs
I’m in the Indianapolis area and just got off the phone with my home owners insurance company about damage to my roof. They are attributing it to Hurricane Helene.
One would think that the political party of “bUtT thE bIbLE!!!111one” would pay attention to the part about, ya know, even mountains flooding.
The Bible is middle-eastern propaganda anyway 🙄
Some people get lost in a desert for 40, write a book about why they were lost for so long, and now folks give up Sundays to pray away their feelings.
Some people get lost in a desert for 40, write a book about why they were lost for so long,
See, that’s what not having OpenStreetMap does to a generation!
Fun fact: there isn’t any state that is safe from climate change disasters no matter what party is in power. Also, NC has a democratic governor and half of its House members are democrats.
Least affected states is/will be the Upper Midwest and even there, Republican politicians are making up for it by literally poisoning the drinking water.
Because they’re cartoon villains, except dumber than Elmer Fudd.
Hell yeah, wait, I mean no.
NOOOO
I hear cartoon burns nicely, and can be cut pretty nicely with a guillotine.
The GOP has a supermajority in the NC House. NC has a democratic governor, who is term limited, and a right wing lt. governor. Plus the GOP state legislature went ham with gerrymandering and redistricting before this upcoming election. So the republican hold on the state might deepen.
Some nice points but also NC voted for Trump in the last two presidential elections - and this despite having been a swing state prior to that?
So yeah, not as deep a red state as they could be, but they were still fairly influential in e.g. dropping out of the Paris Climate Accord, not merely individually as a state but in causing the entire United States of America to do so.
The best time to have done something was yesterday - or in this case, 8 years ago.
Though the second best time is now.
I hear the moon has no natural disasters…yet.
A natural disaster created the moon.
Saw an article just the other day suggesting the earth captured the moon. IDK what to believe anymore.
How do you even get a pokeball that big?
I told her this, but she just wouldn’t try it.
Comets and shit: “hold our space beers”
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The Appalachian mountains getting massive flooding all the time. The only places you can really build anything are along river valleys in the mountains, so they flood when big storms come through.
All of earth is a disaster area. Extreme temps of hot and cold, tornadoes exist, wildfires, wildlife, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.
And of course, apophis could just take us all out. 🤞
In that case we had best not anger him then:-).
