…sometimes it does feel like this.

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    Welcome! In my biais view we’re less toxic but still far from perfect.
    Don’t hesitate to post on smaller communities. People will be so happy to see a post they will forgot to be negative.
    I look forward to read from you again (^_^)

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    We often talk about toxic newbies, but sometimes we don’t pay enough attention to how we ourselves changed as a result. Make them feel welcome, and see how much Lemmy changes back.

    If you (yes, you, reader) are new to Lemmy, have my wholehearted “Welcome”! Hugs on demand, cookies right there, make yourself comfy :)

    Avoid politics-oriented communities unless toxicity is your thing. Start with any instance (most likely you chose lemmy.world as your starting point?), but explore others and what they have to offer. You can even be on several of them if that’s your thing! Enjoy!

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      I was here 2y before the exodus, it’s absolutely not just the newbies. Maybe some other -ies…

      I for one welcome the shit out of the newbies, I’m thankful to have them and want more, and for them to bring their niche interests with them. They help filter some of the toxicity out.

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      yay cookie, thanks, i moved away because anytime i asked a question on any reddit subreddit by posting the question (as i should) it got spam downvoted to the point i became unable to make posts anywhere due to “low karma” : , ) (it was just a basic question and every comment under it and the post got spam downvoted for nor reason)

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    People will be toxic no matter what. I don’t think making prospective new users feel unwelcome is a good idea when we’d like to see some growth.

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      It’s kind of a game of balance to me

      We should make sure toxicity remains unwelcome, but new users should be welcomed without negative expectations. Otherwise, we either make all newbies feel like they don’t belong, or turn Lemmy into another Reddit, which would also alienate users since this is what they fled from.

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      Maybe, but you have better tools to deal with it. Filter out words most politics and your experience will improve a lot. For me, it isn’t a 100% filter because I still want to be exposed to that, but I want less of it. Tag anyone that looks like they’re operating in bad faith. If you see the tag again and they’re still shitty, just block them. Block whole communities if you want or even entire instances. You’re in control of what you see here.

      My Lemmy experience has been perfectly cromulent since I started blocking and filtering.

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        You can do that on Reddit too. Obviously not at a federation level, but you can block subreddits and users. It doesn’t stop the fact that even across many instances Lemmy is far more toxic - whether you’re discussing Tech, Gaming, Politics, Sports, etc.

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      You seem to forget that reddit mods are nobodies, and have been compromised by for-profit and psychological warfare interests for over a decade.

      I was on Reddit for 5 years before I ever got banned. I spread usage among 20 accounts since ~2010, mainly to group topics. Got banned from subs at least 10-20 times since 2015. Only a few were fair, where I was asking for it, just drunk or trying to be a dick. The rest were from conservative subs, and half of those were pre-emptive bans before I’d ever posted, commented, or referenced them — the snowflakes pre-banned me for wrong think, for calling out conservatism from afar.

      So to me, it’s far more concerning if you’ve been on Reddit in the last decade and haven’t been “rejected” by fascist mods at least a few times. It’s been a battlefield of bad-faithers for most of its existence.

      NOTE: most lemmy mods are no different, and are far more compromised than early Reddit. Many are tankie keyword-squatters building their own propaganda networks from Reddits exodus.

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    Yea no. Try having a nuanced discussion on any (insert heated topic here) on Lemmy and watch the labels fly out faster than the ejaculate of a post pubescent 15 year old.

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    Is this specifically about that one guy from last week a bunch of people blocked retouch straight away after his “I’m here from reddit” post?

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      I never meme about individual users; that’s just not my style.

      It’s merely an illustration of a trend I notice every so often.

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    Hey, we left cause of the enshitification of Reddit itself, toxicity of the users was always part of the package deal.

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      Yes exactly. When reddit pulled that api pricing shit, I just got up and left. I came here expecting shitposts, braindead “hot” takes, piss-poor reading comprehension, and americans acting like they’re the only country in the world. I got exactly what I expected and I couldn’t be more satisfied, 10/10 would nuke my reddit account again.

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      As a Reddit refugee myself,I can’t disagree with that. But I will clarify that there’s generally two kinds of Reddit Refugees, though:

      • The kind that got fed up with Reddit and wants to be part of something better
      • The people who were banned from Reddit and think this is some kind of safe haven to continue acting on their worst impulses that got them banned elsewhere.

      The meme is largely referencing the latter.

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        Meh. Maybe I’m just not in the wrong corners of the Lemmy fediverse, but honestly I’m not really seeing very many of the banned finding their way here. That was a huge problem in the cesspools like Voat, but for whatever reason it seems like Lemmy has mostly been spared, in my limited experience at least.

        That said, yeah there’s a fair amount of blunt talking and general mild misanthropy, but frankly I almost welcome that as a change from the overmoderated sterility of corporate spaces like Reddit which have to think in terms of advertiser-friendliness.

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          Have you ever blocked anyone at all? Or a community, or perhaps your feed is always set to Subscribed? Most of us readily forget what Lemmy looks like to a day-1 account. It takes a bit of effort to clean it up, and if they don’t see the value in remaining then they won’t put in that effort to learn, rather than simply leave.

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            I have 9 users blocked, 10 communities blocked (mostly based on taste, not due to toxicity though), and 0 blocked instances.

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        to continue acting on their worst impulses

        I feel seen.

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          As do I, mind you my worse impulses are just me being bloodthirsty. But John Brown was also somewhat bloodthirsty and I dont see anyone of deserving of life criticizijg him.

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            Idk who downvoted that initially for it’s just a little random moment to share that. Probably, it was them being impulsive too.

            It’s not a big part of me, but I struggle to contain critique of something and it leads to both actual fixes\solutions for some things and bad things happening to me for speaking out in harsh and uncultured manner.

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    I think any real user from Reddit that isn’t a bot is an asset these days. I hate Reddit as much as the next person, but giving people shit for coming from there to here feels hypocritical.

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      I think both can be true tbh. I welcome everyone from reddit and encourage us to grow. I also will say leave toxicity at the door, or sub to other instances/communities that enjoy it.

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    Just the other day I had to block this idiot from harassing me, claiming I was faking ignorance about Trump’s stance on Israel so I could “bait Americans into a discussion”, for some reason. I’m European, I don’t follow presidential candidate policies very closely at all. This tool was also European, and Palestinian. I don’t know why they were insisting so hard I would do this inexplicably weird thing, but maybe their emotions were running high. I’m against genocide btw, of course. ✊

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      Please forgive them. Many people in the USA are going to literally die depending on what happens in the next month, so yes emotions are running quite high right now. You stepped into a VERY active minefield there:-).

      Oh, but definitely block them - I mean forgive as in don’t let it weight you down, but absolutely cut that noise out of your life.:-)

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        No joke.

        But they were European too so that’s what baffled me a bit. And they were so adamant and stubborn about “calling me out” on pretending not to know Trump’s stance on Israel lol. Such a random thing to pretend…

        Yeah that person was pure and utter life noise. Begone!

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          I don’t know the specifics of those particular circumstance, but… sometimes people on the internet lie! It’s been known to happen a few times, at least:-).

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      I usually just block everyone that posts about politics in general. Shit is annoying af.

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        Politics is an annoying part of life, for sure, but I was engaged in the conversation so I guess I have some part in it.

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          I mean, you can (and should) pay attention to politics IRL to stay informed and make informed choices. But blocking out politics on social media, though, is quite understandable and often necessary for sanity.

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    You’ll find that anywhere. Not just on the Internet, either. Literally, everywhere.

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      True, but Reddit had the right conditions for toxicity to grow and begin to run rampant. Lemmy, with its decentralized nature, should limit the spread of any toxic communities.

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        I think the difficulty will be the slippery and nebulous definition of “toxic”

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        You should check out Facebook, Twitter, IRC, NextDoor, 4chan, 9gag, or any other Internet forum (including comment sections of news articles). Reddit does not hold exclusive rights to any “right conditions for toxicity to grow”.

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          Yeah, there’s lots of places with rampant toxicity. I was just comparing reddit and lemmy, and I consider the Federated nature of lemmy to help prevent (not necessarily stop) toxicity from growing.

          I’m not an expert on this whole Federated thing, but to me, it sounds like if one community is having problems with another, they can just disassociate and not have to deal with it anymore.

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      It’s more easily expressed when people don’t have to directly face the sensitivity of the other humans. For example, from inside a car, in an online competitive game or an online forum.