Oz, who has a history of making degrading remarks about women, has no government experience. As a candidate for Senate in 2022, he expressed opposition to abortion at any point in pregnancy.

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    I see a pattern, it’s the people he watches for years on TV and likes who he puts into leading positions.

    To be honest this seems in character for the USA, this is what the american people are often doing too, putting celebrities from movies and TV in charge of their country, case in point Reagan, Schwarzeneger and Trump.

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      I mean, the governator wasn’t actually that bad in fact I remember a lot of positive stories, but I could be wrong

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        I had a look at the list you linked and was surprised to see the list pointing out Germans and Polish people so I looked a bit dealer.

        The German guy was in the left party which is so small that they always have trouble to get over the 5℅ necessary to be in the Bundestag, so he has never been in any leading position. And even the nomination to become president failed. And even if he became a president, in Germany that is not a leading position, a president just represents a country like a King.

        In Poland, for Lech Kaczyński (who was the president of Poland) the wikipedia article down not even mention his work as an actor. On IMDB 4 entries are there. He was voice acting for a animated movie as a 13 years old and this is the biggest of the movies he was involved. The next next is a documentary, so he is not acting. The next one is a special episode of a game show to which politicians have been invited as participants. So no acting here either.

        The next from Poland Jarosław Kaczyński, the twin brother also only had the voice acting as a 13 years old and documentaries where he didn’t act listed on his IMDB page.

        The third and last polish guy in the lis fits the description of a celebrity and politician in power, he was elected into parlament.

        For Sweden nobody is listed. Same for South Korea. So from the countries I lived in my feeling that this doesn’t happen is supported by the list you linked.

        But other Asian countries, god damn! The lists for India, the Philippines and so on are soooo long! I didn’t expect it. So it’s really different in different countries.

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        “it’s ok because other people do it” is not a good argument.

        Also, the scale of any activity subject to that excuse is relevant. Many electorates occasionally act weird, some electorates are notorious for the same acts.

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          The tone of the post I was replying to was ‘Look at these silly Americans, doing silly American things’; I was just pointing out that it’s not exclusively an American thing. Not saying it’s good.

          Zelenskyy was the first one that came to my mind and I was actually just looking for how to properly spell his name (is it 1 y or 2? Various sources use one or the other and there’s no consistency), and found that page linked from his Wikipedia page (which lists it as 2 ys, for the record), so I linked to it instead of just naming Zelenskyy as my example.

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        Yeah that is true, but I also did not claim that. Anyway I have a hard time finding any celebrity in office in the countries I lived in (Poland, Germany, Sweden, South Korea), doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen though, just that it looks to happen much less often.

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      Didn’t Arnie do a decent job, though? I didn’t live in California during his time in office, but it sounded mostly positive.

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        As I understand it, Arnie is actually fairly intelligent, and also surrounded himself with competent people who knew how to do the jobs he asked of them.

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          Arnie is actually fairly intelligent, and also surrounded himself with competent people

          This is really the key factor. His acting chops probably just helped him convince people to vote for him; it wasn’t all there was to him.

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        I did not want to put in any judgment on how well celecreties do in office, it was just an observation that this doesn’t really seem to happen in other countries to this extend. But there instead mostly professional politicians or scientists like Angela Merkel run the show.

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          We’ve always nominated celebrities into higher office. In the early years of the country, celebrities were just generals. Still well known, voted because they were likely well known, just not what we would consider “celebrities” today. The effectiveness of these candidates could easily be disputed. But people vote because the name is familiar and not because of their policies. I have a feeling with all the muckraking and “alternative facts” today, the louder name will continue to have more chances than they should otherwise.

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      We’ve been a joke for a long time. We the people are finally learning the rest of the world isn’t laughing with us…

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        I used to live in England back in 1999-2004 on and off during the summer with my mom. Even then we were a fucking joke. I learned very quickly to lose my Texas accent and just tell people I was Canadian. I literally almost got my ass kicked several times after 9/11 when my fellow Brits found out I was from America. I wasn’t even old enough to vote at the time. I haven’t been back since 2009 but I suspect nowadays they’d just feel sorry for me. I live in California now which is rife with it’s own problems but at least my family and I feel somewhat safer here than in Oklahoma or Texas where we lived most our lives. I couldn’t raise my daughter in Oklahoma and feel that in doing what’s best for her. Plus California is fucking beautiful and there’s so much to do and see! Cost of living is the only downside here for me.

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        A lot of it is nervous laughter now but I’m sure it’s the same down there now too.

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    Thank you Oprah, very cool!

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    Oh look, the hilarious consequences of our own actions. Hey pensioners, I hope this was what you had in mind if you voted R!