Don’t think I need to summarize this one. This should be world news right now. This is bad news for everyone.
And we’re still obsessed with economic growth/metastasis 😂
“Herp derp don’t worry! we’ll just keep injecting steroids and nutrients directly into your tumor. It’s the only way to save you. The tumor just needs to be so large that it will magically discover a way to keep metastasizing even larger… forever!”
Won’t that absolutely kill me even faster?
“Oh, yeah probably. Who fucking cares though, growth!”
I’ve seen a couple of articles from earth.com shared lately and they always have this clickbaity sensationalist tone. I don’t like it.
Looking at the original publication this article is based on I don’t understand much (I’m not a climate scientist myself), but one sentence stands out:
Whether global warming has affected the strength of this overturning circulation over the past century is still debated: observational studies suggest that there has been persistent weakening since the mid-twentieth century, whereas climate models systematically simulate a stable circulation.
The climate models we all know and predict how climate change will affect us all seem to work on the basis that these currents have a stable circulation that doesn’t change, which doesn’t seem to be the case. Therefore the climate models we’ve known until now might be wrong… and things could be even worse.
The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, or AMOC, is like a massive ocean conveyor belt that moves warm and cold water around the Atlantic Ocean.
So you’re saying that global warming is making AMOC run amok?
Thanks, I needed this
Fuck. What now?
The day after tomorrow?
We should worry when the helicopters start falling out of the sky and the people freeze to death in seconds.
Yeah but now it’s just tomorrow
Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow
So when I get to the section titled “what can we do?” I just stop reading, because what’s the fucking point?
The only options left are all illegal. It is time to disobey.
I was actually thinking about this last night. I was considering building a list of people that I should visit.
If we truly reach a point where the world becomes so horribly unlivable for so many people then I will go pay the people responsible a visit. They shouldn’t be allowed to live a happily ever after in their climate compounds funded by their destruction of the planet.
They won’t. The truth is biodome didnt work. They may stave off an extra 10-20 years underground but they are foolish if they think they will be spared. These effects span hundreds of years. This truly is our only sinking ship in an ocean of stars.
10-20 years assuming the people living on top don’t block the air flow out of spite…
We always wondered what the great filter might be for the Fermi Paradox. Turns out one of the big ones is just that our petri dish is so delicate we can’t advance very far without it collapsing immediately.
It’s not even that. The petri dish could sustain the advancement until we could pivot to cleaner/safer things. We just chose not to pivot. The filter (for humans, anyway) is selfishness and greed.
I think the time has passed, this article pretty much confirms it. Along with the US election. But I don’t know how much difference that really made.
What’s left to do is enjoy your loved ones. Be present with them. If the human species survives this, I imagine it will be small pockets and communities that band together for mutual aid rather than nation states.
I swear “Don’t Look Up” was supposed to be satire, not a fucking manual.
The point is to make things less bad. The oil mafia likes doomers who have already given up.
Short of blowing up oil infrastructure, what else should I be doing? I already eat less meat, work from home, buy renewable electricity, have a heat pump, avoid driving when I can, vote regularly, and don’t fly and it’s still not enough.
Individual actions are a distraction. Only collective action can change the course of society.
I highly recommend looking into what local groups are working on this issue in your area and sign up.
They’re not a distraction. Lots of us have solar, eliminated fossil fuels in the home, use public transit, don’t buy shit we don’t need, etc. Thats literally collective action, and we need a lot more people to do it. Nobody is pretending like their single action is going to magically fix everything.
What does collective action mean to you? We have tax incentives for electrification as a result of policies borne from voting correctly in 2020 - now actually getting those solar panels is an individual action that magically doesn’t matter? Or is it a result of collective action and it is ok?
Everyone should be doing as much as they possibly can given their means - personal and collective. It’s not an either or.
Good idea. If I’m gonna sabotage oil infrastructure I’ll need some help.
I can’t tell if you’re joking but very few organizations are doing that sort of action which is generally quite risky. There are a range of actions between the sort of personal responsibility actions you’re doing and outright sabotage. I know people here are generally dismissive of these but letter-writing, petitions, marches, etc. can all be effective parts of a political movement, as can more radical actions like blockades or strikes.
Personally, I think sabotage has to be carefully considered in the context of a broader campaign or it risks becoming an element of reactionary propaganda. It doesn’t help that our culture has for decades, perhaps centuries conflated property damage with violence against people, and this often makes people unsure if those who engage in the former might also engage in the latter. While I could see that sabotage might be morally justified in some situations, it’s not clear that it’s the correct tactic when the climate movement is as small and weak as it is right now.
Letter writing and petitions and marches have been going on for decades now and haven’t worked. I know, I was there.
And at least if we blow up a pipeline it’ll be better than throwing soup on a painting or gluing myself to a road.
I’m not sure if I agree that they haven’t worked. The severity of climate change has been significantly reduced by currently enacted policies, even as the situation continues to look fairly dire.
Like any mass movement, the effectiveness of these actions depends on the number of people engaged in them. To date, this movement has been fairly small compared to other movements that succeeded in bringing about similarly large changes. Furthermore, while blowing up a pipeline might have a more tangible and direct impact, that impact is still very small, and the political implications are complicated. The idea that fossil fuels can be stopped completely through sabotage seems at least as far-fetched as the idea that it can be stopped through letter-writing.
Given that situation, the main question becomes: how does this movement grow large enough that its demands must be answered fully? I think a clear and coherent message and political strategy is essential. Framing the issue as one of ordinary people fighting for children and the common good against the interests of a corrupt elite is usually beneficial. I worry that property destruction undermines this framing by defining the movement in public consciousness as violent extremists instead of a movement that is fighting to protect ordinary people. I think this was a major failing of the George Floyd protests which had widespread public support until they were successfully smeared as lawless rebels who engaged in looting and arson. Even though very few people engaged in this behavior, the right’s media dominance allowed them to convince many people that this was the whole movement and it lost support for its demands.
I’ve been thinking that we need to create a voting block of people who will vote for climate emergency policies. Similar to how unions have political strength due to advising their members who to vote for, this organization would advise members on who in local elections is the best for positive climate initiatives.
I think a block of voters is needed because right now climate wasn’t even an issue in the US election. We need to organise so that these policies are a target for politicians looking to obtain votes.
The Climate Action Network already exists. And considering the results of the last election they’re not very effective.
I figured that something like that must already exist, but I had never heard of it. Probably why they’re not very effective.
Oh, and thanks for linking them. I’ll check it out and at least sign up for the newsletter.
Edit nevermind, the newsletter hasn’t had a release since December 2021.
I don’t think we have the time to wait for the next election.
Go then. There are other elections than these.
Sorry, re-read The Gunslinger recently.
I was actually thinking about the Canadian election that is coming up.
pfft. im a doomer but im doing everything possible personally. reduce, reuse, recycle. just because I realize it won’t ultimately make a differnce im still not going to be any more responsible for this shitshow than I have to be.
People can doom all they want, as long as they don’t try to influence others… I am so sick of the Trump won/Climate change won, guess it means we all just give up and bend over sentiment.
I don’t know what we are supposed to do. It’s not over, we still have a fight left on our hands. I’m just going to be depressed the rest of the day and hope my wife doesn’t notice bcz it’s her birthday. I’ll figure out how I can help later.
You didn’t miss anything. That section didn’t offer any solutions.
Does it mean, for instance, Europe will have the same temperature than Canada and north of US (same latitude)? Without speaking about all the other dramatic effects…
Basically, yes, winters in Europe are mild bcz of the ocean currents. England, in particular, will start having seriously cold winters. The weather will also no longer be stable if this happens.
Well, as a Finn I am not too keen, our weather will turn to Siberian style winter…
But because the heat doesn’t move, some parts might become so hot that nothing lives there.
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