cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37235684

Obviously reporting transphobic comments to a transphobic mod isn’t going to result in any action, so I’m wondering if the admins are going to do anything about it?

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  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
    161·
    4 hours ago

    I don’t know enough about sports, or the skeletomuscular and endocrine differences between someone AMAB and someone AFAB, to comment on the topic.

    I’d much prefer to defend our trans community, but there’s way too much misinformation for me to get the valid and credible information needed to do so. Can someone please share some links so people like me can be educated enough to speak out in support?

    • tree_frog@lemm.eeEnglish
      91·
      2 hours ago

      Read *Who’s Afraid of Gender? *

      The jest of it is that sometimes cis women have more testosterone than cis men. Even in top athletes.

      And trans women on hrt have less than either.

      I started transitioning over the summer, I’ve lost 15 lb of muscle mass.

      Three decades of testosterone dominance made me tall and lanky. But no taller or more lanky than cis women I know. About the only major difference, as far as sports are concerned, would be my wider shoulders. And still needing to wear a cup I guess.

      • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 hour ago

        Perfect. I’ll definitely check that out. Thank you!

        If anyone else is as strapped as I am, I just confirmed they have the E-book for loan on my local library website. Borrowing from the library may help authors less than purchase, but it’s still better than piracy.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    804·
    7 hours ago

    OK that’s the last straw for me. I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt to people, but this is the third strike for this person. So I’ve asked them to move their comm to another instance as they don’t align with our instance values.

  • SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
    38·
    2 hours ago

    We’d better do our best to ruin these people because they don’t agree with us. No tolerance for the intolerant! Everyone who doesn’t immediately sign up for our beliefs, must be intolerant, by definition. Burn em all!!!

  • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    47·
    2 hours ago

    Why don’t we just make a trans league so we can just stop talking about this with anyone ever again?

    Also, does a person who has gone through male puberty before transition not have at least some advantage in certain areas due to bone structure alone? I understand that trans girls who pre-empt puberty are likely physically equivalent to their cisgendered peers, but I have my reservations about integrating people who transition later in life. If I’m wrong, I would love to see any studies anyone may want to share.

    • southsamurai
      2·
      16 minutes ago

      Nope. Male puberty doesn’t cause changes that aren’t mitigated by transition.

      Any changes to bone structure that don’t change are the ones that are present in any athlete in a given sport.

      I’m not digging through studies for you, because I haven’t gotten a single paycheck from anyone ever for doing so online. That information is out there, and it’s your responsibility to do your due diligence on the matter.

      If you don’t know that you’re wrong or right already, by having looked for the information needed to make a credible opinion, maybe hang back a bit, or at least ask better questions.

  • its_prolly_fine
    79·
    3 hours ago

    I’m not a fan of the tone they are using to discuss this. There is a difference from transitioning before puberty vs after. There are specific biological differences that a mtf woman will have that hormones won’t change. There is an issue that needs to be resolved with sports. I don’t know what the solution is, but shutting down conversation doesn’t seem like it. Shutting down transphobia, yes absolutely. I hope I’m not coming off poorly.

    • ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      125·
      2 hours ago

      There are specific biological differences that a mtf woman will have that hormones won’t change.

      This is transphobia since it is factually incorrect and stems from wilful ignorance, and I’m shutting it, and your tone policing, down. There, how’s that?

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
      42·
      2 hours ago

      Im leaving his comment up in order to respond but I don’t want to rehash that discussion here.

      The reason this decision was taken was not just this one discussion. It was because that person has too many red flags for my liking on the stuff they would defend, always juuuuust skirting the line of what is acceptable discourse here.