I feel like people forgot that this was the compromise.
If they’d like us to go back to dragging the boss out of his home in the middle of the night and beating him to death in front of his family I’m cool with that.
get luigi a 1up
I keep thinking of the scene in Far and Away where they torch the manor house.
Oh, wow.
That went after the cops, too.
That was really fucking stupid of them, you reward your foot soldiers just well enough to make them trust the system enough to defend it with their lives against their own class.
You let the cop “union” thrive and they’ll kick every teacher to death on their overtime pay with gusto.
Probably don’t have to pay them, they’ll do it for free.
What they want is not pay, but the ability of harassing minorities.
That’s now how this works. Time to beat the Governor to death.
I love picturing this being said matter of factly from a husband to a spouse over morning coffee.
“Oh no, well that’s now how this works at all… Time to beat the Governor to death, dear. Well, off I go for the day, see you at dinner”
General strike from teachers, firefighters and police it is, then.
Don’t count on cops for solidarity, even with something this blatant.
Time for these cretins to get a history lesson first hand on why there are labor laws in this country. Why there is a forty hour work week. Why there is collective bargaining. Why its keeping them(the management) alive.
There isn’t management for these jobs though. The people are the management. Both sides of the table are the same in the public sector.
He included police unions? He’s fucked. Republican voters don’t give a crap about teachers or firefighters, but he messed with the cops that they vehemently pretend to support.
They originally tried to exempt police unions but were told that would be too blatantly illegal and the whole thing would be struck down, so they did this instead.
My money is the police unions will just ignore this; or even more on brand, they’ll invent some new with that just means collective bargaining, but only for police.
that would be too blatantly illegal
Unlike 90% of the other shit they’re doing…
Whoa, is that speculation or in the article somewhere?
Here’s the original text of the bill, you can see the original text stricken out:
https://le.utah.gov/~2024/bills/static/HB0285.html
This was from the bill they introduced last year to do the same thing.
God damn! This is insane 😮💨
I think the Presudwbtsxrejease of rioters who attacked police officers on Capitol Hill made it pretty clear to cops that the GOP was never actually on their side.
The ruling class forgets how the unions were the compromise to allow them to keep their heads attached to their bodies
I don’t think they’ve forgotten. They’re just confident that the culture war trap they’ve built will keep us busy fighting amongst ourselves.
Americants won’t do anything about it
Well, there was this one guy recently…
There are plenty of unsung heros.
would be a shame if EMS were slow to respond to an emergent need for medical care for one Utah governor. why did they think this was a good idea??
They should strike anyways.
The police certainly had this coming, although I now feel very bad for firefighters and teachers in Utah
They’re going to privatise all three.
Yeah. Because limiting wage is gonna really improve the quality of candidates applying.
Police departments don’t hire “quality candidates“. They use IQ and personality tests to keep smart people excluded from the job, and for good reason: they want brutal authoritarians who will follow orders without question.
Police are not exploited workers. They’re armed agents of the state who have far more power than the average citizen. Most other developed nations have completely banned police unions to prevent them from amassing too much power. And that’s exactly what they do here.
Post secondary education should be a requirement for all police positions. It’s pretty damn unlikely in the US for the exact reason you’ve mentioned, though.
I would say plenty of humanities and liberal arts secondary education.
My opinion is that over time, some unions get too powerful and start getting unreasonable demands met. Then they need some kind of break up or what not. This would be a way to do that I suppose. Though there must be a better way. I think the police union has crossed over the tipping point. But I don’t think I would back this approach either.
Unions, collective bargaining and striking were illegal, to begin with. People actually skipped work and meals to strike, form unions, and radically protest to give us these things. Before pto, unemployment insurance, and social safety nets existed.
Fucking strike anyway. What are they gonna do?
The postal service is unable to legally strike. They struck in the 70s (?) illegally and got tons of concessions and no one went to prison for it. Seems like teachers could do something similar. We wouldn’t miss cops and, unfortunately, firefighters also wouldn’t be missed (we still love them, unlike cops).
I’m super pro union but your arguments are sloppy.
In 1981 Reagan fired and banned for life over 11,000 striking Air Traffic controllers. People sadly haven’t forgotten.
Without cops, what does a person assaulted or burgled do? How are the 20K+ murders a year investigated? Firefighters? They respond primarily to medical emergency. And about a million fire incidents a year.
The world stops without teachers working. Many people rely on them for childcare so that they can go to work. Air traffic controllers are very important. But many orders of magnitude less important for our economy than teachers.
We can discuss abolition of cops some other time, but we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this. They and firefighters are not on the critical path of daily capitalism like teachers though.
Cops rarely, if ever stop, or investigate crimes. Cops have single digit clearance rates for homicides.
Literally fire them all like Reagan did to the Air Traffic Controllers.
And then what? If you fire all a singular group listed above that’s striking (nurses, teachers, POLICE) who’s going to be there to pick up the reigns?
That’s the point, you bring it to a screeching halt and they then need to come to the table. But without the social safety nets other developed countries have, people here are reluctant to push back hard. There will eventually be a tipping point in my view in the future.
who’s going to be there to pick up the reigns?
Exactly. Read Project 2025.
I agree with your sentiment but they know what will happen sadly. Back in 1981, Reagan fired all 11,353 air traffic controllers who were “illegally” striking. He also banned them for life from working for the Fed Govt.
Who did he replace them with? Were all the planes just grounded for a year while they looked for and trained new hires?
Don’t worry the Federal government will step … Oh they just crippled the agency that prevents this. How convenient.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/15/business/nlrb-trump-musk-workers/index.html
Isn’t that functionally banning unions altogether? Collective bargaining is the whole purpose of a union…
Not familiar with American union laws, but that’s protected federally is it not? (aside from the fact that this administration isn’t ‘protecting’ anything, let alone unions)
Given the current political climate nothing is illegal.
Unless your not a ring kissing conservative.
If we can’t bargain legally I suppose we just need to remind them why they gave us a legal option for union organization in the first place.
Before unions, it was the style at the time to go to the boss and ask for a raise by saying “hey boss, give us a raise, or we’ll burn your fucking factory down”
Just a reminder 🥰
There is a spectre haunting North America…
Correct!
Union prevent heads in sticks, time for heads on sticks
Let the buildings burn down. Firefighters don’t have to use a union to show why the working class is the real source of power.
Make sure to clearly advertise the dates of the strike. So we can be especially cautious on those days. Especially around government buildings. That would just be awful and unfair if the people that passed the ban were directly affected.
