Veterans who have been abruptly fired from federal jobs say they feel betrayed by the Trump administration’s dramatic downsizing of government.

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    Ah, yet more whining from the ‘he’s not hurting who he’s supposed to be hurting!’ crowd.

    That tardigrade with the tiny violin is all booked out thanks to this nonsense, or I’d hire him for this comment.

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    The irony is that being a veteran is really the easiest way to get a federal job in the first place.

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    “When he said DEI, I thought that was code for black people.” -Some white guy, probably

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    It is not sum. The vast majority of veterans voted for Trump. Over 60%.

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      This is a misleading stat, because veterans skew heavily male and old (since Boomers were drafted for Vietnam).

      In 2023, Pew published a profile of veteran demographics.

      • 72% of veterans were over the age of 50.
      • 37% were over the age of 70.
      • 74% were white.
      • 89% were men.

      Polls that have broken up veterans by generation show a clear generational divide as well. This poll from 2020 showed that veterans under the age of 54, and veterans who joined the military after 2001, backed Biden over Trump.

      Among veterans young enough to still be working, we’d need more detailed cross tabs to understand whether a majority of employed veterans, much less government employee veterans, voted Trump.

      So for the individuals who did vote Trump, yes, this post fits. But for the group as a whole, of veterans who work in the government, I’m skeptical that they voted Trump over Harris.

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        It is not a misleading stat. The vast majority of Veterans voted for Trump: 60+ percent. It is that simple. You are trying to break them into groups but this is irrelevant to voting and why we have the Orange Turd in office.

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          You are trying to break them into groups but this is irrelevant to voting and why we have the Orange Turd in office.

          The article is about veterans who were fired from federal jobs. That particular population, the subject of this article, probably voted for Harris over Trump in greater numbers.

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            I get your point now. You are focusing on the people in the jobs. My focus was on Veterans in general and how their voting effects all Veterans and their jobs. Sorry I was not clearer.

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      Can’t even be mad at them. Poor idiots were convinced to join the military. That’s the first time they got shafted. Then they got bombarded with missinformation that made them believe voting for trump is a good idea even though it very clearly went against their own interests. Shaft 2: Electric Boogaloo.

      It’s like a Pokemon that keeps hurting itself in its confusion. These people are in need of assistance. Somone should pat their shoulders and say “there, there”. Best we can do.

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        Most people don’t join because they were convinced by a recruiter, most people going to escape poverty as it is one of the last things that allow for easier class mobility.

        The military is not all out bad like people think, the risk is realistically low (depending on the MOS) and the vast majority will not have anything happen to them

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          tell that to the women who are raped and punished for it in the military. it still happens all the time.

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        Saw a comment yesterday that said:

        Two to the thoughts and one to the prayers

        Felt it would apply to a bunch of situations.

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      You can call that a majority, but it’s far from a vast majority. That’s just a little more than half, and about on par with the general population, actually.

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    These are Cipolla’s five fundamental laws of stupidity:

    1. Always and inevitably, everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.

    2. The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.

    3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.

    1. Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular, non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places, and under any circumstances, to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.

    5. A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.

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      The rise of fascism globally isn’t an intelligence test. People are trapped in information silos. No matter how smart a person is, if all they have is propaganda it’s rational to assume they are going to believe the propaganda. We need to get true information into these information silos to help these people.

      1. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.

      This one definition covers all humans so it’s not particularly useful.

      Also, this implies treating life as a zero-sum game is at least a correct strategy if not outright claiming it to be the preferred strategy. Part of trying to solve our problems involves overcoming this impulse and avoiding pointless tit-for-tat cycles which often land people in the situation your argument’s definition states as problematic. Namely, in game theory terms, two people cheating in a prisoner’s dilemma in order to gain and thus ensuring mutual loss.

      I bring all that up because this just happened in the last election where pro-Palestinian activists and Democrat supporters of Kamala Harris could not get on the same page despite sharing the same goals.

      1. A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.

      We are consciousness running on meat sacks in a physics based universe. It only takes one person acting on self-destructive ideas and false information to be a danger to themselves and others. edit: typos