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lol. I commented on a post saying that Harris would likely be handling the situation better right now, and I got told by one of the pro-Palestine crazies that they hope my family gets murdered…
Harris would have said not to do it while continuing to supply them with weapons.
Harris would have said she’s doing everything she can to stop this whole breaking federal laws to keep it happening.
Whatever they call themselves they are not pro-Palestine. I don’t buy it. Maybe they’re anti-Israel, but they ain’t pro-Palestine.
I have to believe the pro-Palestine crazies who call Harris voters Nazis are either Russian trolls or still too ashamed to admit they were conned into voting for Palestine’s complete destruction.
I had conversations with many an accelerationist who supported Trump over Harris on Gaza. Pretty sure they were just full of shit and spreading misinformation.
Trump is greenlighting genocide. And somehow his supporters will say this is a good thing.
The US has been green-lighting genocide in the Middle East for decades. Party A only seems to notice when Party B takes over the White House. But this has been an ongoing horror story going back to Operation Ajax and the dismantling of the Egyptian democracy following the death of Gamal Nasser, largely through collaboration between the CIA, MI5, and the Mossad.
His base supporters don’t really know or care about the details, because they’re too invested in doing white nationalism at home. His opponents only seem to care about the genocide as far as it allows them to express racist sentiments toward Arab-Americans and other Muslim groups for being insufficiently enthusiastically liberal. His bourgeois supporters recognize genocide as a get-rich-quick scheme for their failsons and faildaughters.
This bloodshed won’t end before the western military occupiers are removed from the region. And I doubt I’ll see that happen in my lifetime.
I would like ANYONE to stick a camera into the face of these Arab and Muslim leaders who told their followers to help get trump elected because they didn’t think Joe Biden was acting fast enough or giving them the attention they wanted and ask them if their feelings are still hurt with news like this.
I’m sure the people of Gaza are so pleased with them and their stupidity
BuT dOn’T vOtE fOr GeNoCiDe JoE!!1!1! ThE PrIcE Of EgGS!1!1!
And the trump admin wants to build seaside resorts in the purged Gaza then told us to STFu about eggs while the price more than doubled.
There are far too many people on this earth who can only imagine black and white.
They can’t imagine you can have bad and you can have much worse and they are not the same thing.
Edit - in case the downvote wasn’t someone who voted trump to “save Palestine”, my point is you don’t save someone from bad by giving them worse. Which we did.
And not “voting for bad” while allowing worse is performative privilege.
I sure hope everyone who said “Genocide Joe” and “Kamala is a cop” sleeps well every night. Also those 100,000 Dem protest voters in Michigan.
You did it guys, you saved Gaza.
I’m sure those astroturfed, troll farm tools absolutely sleep fine.
Both Trump and Biden/Harris are terrible choices for Palestine. Having said that, count the number of Palestinian casualties under Biden and the number of Palestinian casualties under Trump. I’ll wait.
Also count the number of weeks of ceasefire brokered by Trump vs Biden.
I feel like you’d buy a bridge from me.
If your bridge is as useless as your comment, probably not.
Wait when did Trump broker ANY ceasefire?
A couple months ago when his envoy, Steve Witkoff, made Netanyahu meet him during Shabbat despite Netanyahu’s objections, and pressured him to accept the ceasefire deal.
Rofl that was JOE BIDEN’S ceasefire deal, Trump just happened to take office right before it was finalized.
Joe Biden presented the deal in May 2024 and Netanyahu quickly rejected it. It’s only when Steve Witkoff, Trump’s envoy, forced Netanyahu to meet during Shabbat and pressured him to take the deal that it the ceasefire actually happened, shortly before Trump’s inauguration.
Whatever, Nazi. You can just give up. We don’t believe you, you don’t believe you.
Biden held all the cards, he could’ve gotten a ceasefire before the election if he had put conditions on arms transfers but he didn’t do that, that was his choice.
Where are the many leaders that, deciding to withhold support from Biden and the Democrats, sought to INCREASE support for Trump? I don’t see them.
Reducing support for one candidate lowers the threshold for the other to win, so staying home absolutely supports Trump, same with voting third party thanks to our wonderful system here
They have always wait for US green light to do it and they have always had it
Wow, the Gazan civilians must have done something really serious to merit being attacked like this, ending the cease fire…
Right? Um… right? /s
It’s absolutely giving horrible what’s happened and also absolutely predictable this type of behavior from Trump happened.
It’s just so extremely frustrating and sad.
they survived? i have no snark left
The people in Gaza survived a lot better than I predicted ; but I think the mortality from all causes is huge, under reported and still minimized.
And exactly zero people are shocked by this.
They’ve been waiting for our permission each time?
The ceasefire was the only positive thing going on during these past two months. This is fucked up!
as a moron, are you happy?
I see you are the kind of person to say “the best time to start learning is five years ago, so I won’t start now”
Do you think the ceasefire was a bad idea at the time?
i think the ceasefire was a good idea when the hostages were alive, 15 months ago, when Biden was president…not before "rump made sure no ceesefires would happen in defiance of the Logan act…now come back with something convincing
Oh so you’re just totally on board with the genocide and ethnic cleansing operation of 2 million people in Gaza now. Very cool and normal.
Oh so you’re just totally on board with the genocide and ethnic cleansing operation of 2 million people in Gaza now.
Like they weren’t on board then too.
is it good to be this extravagantly so stupid?
i see the downvoters think "rumps handling of the situation is bettter
You’re whining about people who downvote genocide support.
I don’t care who gets bitchy over this;
America chose bald faced fascism and genocide, over the chance to end genocide and not-fascism.
Suck eggs, whenever you can save up for them. The stay-at-homes are just as guilty.
Suck eggs = children are dying and I’m gloating over it.
Anything to own the lefties though, eh.
Stopping the genocide was never a choice in the table with the red and blue party
America chose bald faced fascism and genocide, over the chance to end genocide and not-fascism.
There was no chance under biden or harris that the genocide would end without running to completion. None. They’re both centrists, and genocide is the only policy I’ve never seen a centrist abandon.
Voted harris but refuse to carry water for genocide supporters.
One of the parties is against the genocide in Ukraine. Funny how you people always forget about that one. Bit inconvenient for your narrative huh
What do you mean by “you people”?
Because in another recent discussion we had, you called me a russian, had that comment removed by the mods, and then whined about how unfairly you were being treated by the complicit mods for enforcing their rules.
This sure looks like you’re trying to call me a russian again without saying it outright.
We should have used all the resources that we wasted supplying the genocide that centrists dearly love in Gaza and used them to shore up Ukraine. Instead, netanyahu got his weapons no questions asked, while Ukraine had to wait for democrats to play stupid games with immigration bills first before getting around to the tiresome obligation of making a token gesture toward preventing putin from steamrolling Europe.
Sorry your blue team proto-fascists couldn’t contain their disgusting bloodthirst enough to win the election from the red team fascists. Think outside of this bullshit electoralist thinking for just a second.
Lol. You people are so silly.
I’ll vote so hard for the 3rd party next time! Just your wait and see
Read the last sentence again please
Nuance.
You got the genocide you wanted either way. Now you get the bonus of being able to blame the people who tried to warn you what was going to happen.
There was no chance to end genocide.
Grater than this 0% ? Sure was.
What makes you think there was a non zero chance with Harris? Anything she said or did? Because I got no indication from her campaign that there was any chance she’d end it
It was always 0% because genocide is bipartisan.
Not with pro-genocide centrists running against pro-genocide fascists.
Yes there was: not voting red or blue
That was the false sense of superiority choice, not the end genocide choice.
You have to consider the choices’ actual effects on the world.
Making the correct choice has nothing to do with feeling better than others, it simply is the correct thing to do.
All those dead people thank you for making the “correct” choice.
Well, that’s what happened and now you get extra genocide plus total capitulation to russia
What’s your plan to stop the genocide? Begging the parties behind it to stop it?
If all third party voters swapped to Harris, she still would have lost. Vote shaming doesn’t work and it’s especially gross when it wouldn’t even matter.
Based on the polls I saw, if 3rd party voters had voted Harris she would have won. Just going from memory, I’ll have to look it up.
Voting is not going to be what ends the genocide.
probably not but breaking the red and blue duopoly can do some good.
…yet i was told that the biden genocide was somehow worse…cake and eat it shit…
I was told that protest voting would save Gaza, is Gaza saved? /s
I was told that protest voting would save Gaza
Nothing was going to save Gaza. That didn’t mean we needed to continue being complicit. But at least centrists didn’t have to consider abandoning netanyahu.
Unsupporting the red and blue party is the correct thing to do and what will ultimately lead to a positive change. The duopoly party narrative is holding on a really thin line because everyone is unsatisfied on both sides, in europe third parties win plenty of times.
If you throw your trash out of the window that isn’t going to change world pollution but you don’t do that because we live in a society and everyone is supposed to do his part.
The way US elections work it’s mathematically impossible to have a viable 3rd party. We can’t just do it like Europe.
Biden’s help killed more at this time, but Trump should catch up by late summer or early autumn this year. Then we can say Trump killed more than Biden.
But Trumps crimes elsewhere will eclipse this grim milestone , and I doubt most commentators here will remark on that when it happens
Is there a tally for each president?
Yes, kind of, if one follows these things enough
I have this idea for a site like a high score thing, where you could (with citations provided) the kill total of world leaders. See how Stalin, Hitler and Mao stack up to Nixon, Bush, Clinton and Trump.
We’d have to adjust for population growth. Genghis Khan is probably still the reigning genocide champ.
Where it gets difficult to estimate is when people die many years later from the effects.
Even hurricanes are only recently understood to be a huge cause of mortality over a decade later. So where does one draw the line? When support structures in a society are destroyed by nature or man things happen years later.
And then one had to decide how many a leader is directly responsible for, and how many subordinates acting on their own did.
What a strawman of an argument you’ve created. That was never an argument being made, it was that genocide wouldn’t be any worse because genocide is genocide.
And how is this at all different from any of the strikes Biden agreed on that resulted in mass deaths?
Oh and the cake you’re laughing about? Those are children’s lives. Get some perspective and stop reveling in misery.
because genocide is genocide.
That’s dumb. Killing more people is worse than killing fewer.
It’s more dumb to think killing everyone is any different to killing everyone.
Genocide brings about the death of the whole cultural group.
There is no little or big genocide, it is all genocide.
Ok, then by your definition there hasn’t BEEN any genocide because they’re not literally all dead yet, so why are you complaining at all,
This is the dumbest take in this thread so far.
That’s my fucking point, dumbass. It’s a stupid-ass way of thinking.
That’s my fucking point, dumbass. It’s a stupid-ass way of thinking.
That was never an argument being made
Bullshit. It was absolutely an argument being made. “We kNoW BiDeN sUpPoRtS gEnOcIde; MaYbE tRuMp WiLl Be BeTtEr” (paraphrased) is very much the sort of dumbass rhetoric that was being tossed around and don’t you dare try to gaslight me otherwise!
You’re just mad that trump is implementing centrists’ only policy.
Get some perspective and stop reveling in misery.
Centrists are stubbornly determined to move right from here. Introspection is a threat to that, so they won’t.
Nixon, Iran, hostages…
