edit: muting this thread, goodbye.
Me; new here thinking “hexbear” is the furry server… Oh…
Well I was half right
LPT - you don’t have to give any fucks about who or what “hexbear.net” is, instead you can have a life.
If I don’t want to have a life, can someone explain this to me? What is hexbear, and what happened?
It’s a Left-unity instance for Marxists and Anarchists. That’s really it, some people get really mad at that.
It’s a Left-unity instance for Marxists and Anarchists (who like to simp for authoritarian AES states).
Fixed it for ya.
The overwhelming majority of Marxists worldwide support AES, and a good number of Anarchists support AES against Capitalisy states. It’s not about “simping.”
Imo, support for AES authoritarian states is one of the main sources of friction between Marxists and Anarchists. It’s ideologically dishonest to suggest otherwise. Especially since most AES states are now capitalist in most respects. If you guys would drop the AES support then left unity might stand a chance.
If you guys would drop the AES support then left unity might stand a chance.
Ah, I see. So in order to achieve “left unity” all we have to do is:
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Abandon support for every socialist project that was even moderately successful
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Refuse to learn from their successes and failures because we have to write them off entirely as if they weren’t genuine movements
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Allow blatant propaganda and falsehoods to be spread about them unchallenged, for fear of being associated with them.
Of course, if we did that, especially the last one, we’d be associated with them anyway - they called Obama a communist, they’ll apply the label to anyone. If every attempt at building socialism was an unmitigated failure that just made everything worse and resulted in things just as bad as the Nazis, then why the hell should anyone want to be a socialist? Why should we even be socialists?
And don’t try to pretend that it’s only uncritical support you’re talking about. If you have a good word to say about any of them, if you challenge accusations and call them out when they lack evidence, then you’ll be labelled a “tankie.” Y’all are obsessed with punching left and demonstrating your anticommunist credentials, and have been for the last 80 years, “If we just toss all the Reds out of the AFL/CIO, then people will see we’re not like them and they’ll be on our side, that we’re ‘one of the good ones,’” and then guess what, they call you Reds anyway, and when they come for you you’ll have alienated people who would’ve actually fought back. This is how we got to the point where even “liberal” became a dirty word, of being “too far left.”
Yeah, thanks but no thanks on that one. I’m going to continue critically supporting AES states and examining their success and failures and refuting misinformation about them - focusing on what’s actually true, rather than on trying to “prove” that I’m sufficiently anticommunist to pass some red scare purity test.
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I only have a surface level understanding of all this stuff, but don’t marxism and anarchism both aim for a stateless, classless society?
Marxists and Anarchists have a different view of what the state is, and what class is. Marxists see the state as an implementation of class oppression, Anarchists see it as a tool of hierarchy.
As a consequence, Marxists see Communism as a fully publicly owned and planned, democratic government, while Anarchists want decentralized networks of Communes. For Marxists, the Anarchist solution retains class distinctions as each commune only has internal ownership and thus class is retained, while for Anarchists the Marxist solution retains the state as it retains hierarchy.
This struggle over analysis drives the major distinctions between each major school of Leftist thought.
They do, but people like unruffled see marxists as traitors
Marxists are aligned on support for AES, though, outside of fringe tendencies like Trotskyists and Gonzaloists. In my experience, it’s more of a hot topic among Anarchists, having spoken to firmly anti-AES Anarchists and critically supportive Anarchists.
Further, when you call AES states “Capitalist in most respects,” that just isn’t accurate from a Marxist stance on what Capitalism and Socialism are. AES states are where large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly controlled, while the private sector is dominated by small firms, sole proprietorships, and cooperatives of non-essential industries. This is because Marx viewed the only real way to achieve full public ownership is developing into it, rather than simply decreeing it.
The divide more tends to be among the stance on what the real obstacles in the way of progressing beyond Capitalism is, and those in support of AES tend to agree that that obstacle is currently the US Empire.
Yeah, and the Nazi party was just a social event. 🙄
Their users are often overly entitled by this, spread hate, engage in brigading and censor people when they don’t agree with them.
It is mandatory to mention that while I said the above, there is probably a good portion of them who aren’t like that. They’re just the silent majority.
How do you determine if something counts as “brigading” vs just being federated? Moreover, I have no idea what you’re counting as “spreading hate.”
https://jlai.lu/comment/13530572 (For your first question)
Some isolated users are very vocal when there’s a discussion about their instances. Happened in a discussion about defederation of hexbear in my instance. Wasn’t there but it lead to both instances being defederated from us
So it’s really just federation between instances, not dedicated and coordinated brigading.
For sure, the core of hexbear and lemmygrad isn’t brigading, but it happened enough so that people are fed up of it
brigading
I am once again begging the Redditers to learn how federation works
I’m not going to start the whole thread again. Here is the reason we say this: https://jlai.lu/comment/13508125
(Sry I only have a link to my instance)
When you go out of your instance, it’s to argue about political opinions
Your not in your Instance… and you’re taking about politics!
Brigader! Mod! MOOOOODS! This person is Brigading!
I guess you didn’t read what I wrote
You can read my comment history. I’m sure you can check that I’m not only talking about politics and not always defending one side
Google can probably help you if you really think it’s worth looking up.
It would be better if they were completely defederated.
The tankies need to find another space to fester.
Yeah, people i disagree with really need to get out!
Some ideologies deserve to be ended
“Well alright, the ni**ers and the chinks can stay, but we don’t want the Irish!” - Blazing Saddles
What does this mean? Genuinely asking.
They’re falsely equating ideology to ethnicity.
It’s a quote from the movie Blazing Saddles mocking bigotry, in this case to say “Suppression is bad unless WE do it” is s hypocritical and wrong approach - and in fact it’s the exact mentality of people who currently want to suppress gay, trans, etc. which to them are as “obviously evil” as nazis.
Don’t have a problem with what instance you’re on as long as you’re respectful I’ll be respectful back
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Oh, my sweet summer child.
I totally agree. But that instance is slightly notorious for brigading threads.
They got like 6 people in here doing just that.
Learn how federation works, or better yet, go back to reddit
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You know that you can block instances yourself? Like you don’t have to be forced to see their stuff. I think some of y’all enjoy whinging about shit for the sake of it.
If you block an instance, you can’t spend the next sixty posts complaining about the replies.
I’m fine with hex, for the most part. This is a joke, in the jokes about the fediverse community.
You know that blocking an instance does not block users from that instance?
But it blocks all posts that are posted to communities on on that instance, so it guts 90% of the shit you don’t want to see. Just block users when they piss you off.
The constant posting of hatred towards other instances is just as if not more annoying to me than the dumb shit hexbear comes out with.
But it doesn’t block votes, so their users will still influence your feed.
It’s not that I don’t want to see them, it’s just I don’t want to waste my time replying to anything when anything other than “DAE hate westoids?” gets deleted right away.
Blocks don’t hide your posts from them or prevent them from responding to your comments.
And?
Seeing “there is no record of this comment” in a chain brings me sexual pleasure.
Die in your hole, person I disagree with!
Plus you still get to see the replies to the comment, usually them being dunked on by other Lemmings.
Let me try that. Quick, reply to me now.
Hey, it works!
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Blocking instances only blocks posts from them, not comments.
You should check piefed (piefed.social , join.piefed.social) it has support for lemmy and proper instance blocking.
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Whats interesting about piefed is that everything is prerendered - it doesn’t use an api, unlike lemmy. Of course, an api is in the works, and the dev of thunder made a PoC.
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I use the Alexandrite version of lemmy.world (https://a.lemmy.world/) and in that you have a hamburger menu at the end of the persons comment, one of the options is block.
I think you can block an instance in your user Settings - Block - Instances.
If you’re using a phone app, it’s going to vary depending on the app.
Voyager has it in the filters section down the bottom of the page.
I’m glad my feed has been pretty drab with them gone
Same, but I can’t seem to get Voyager to actually do instance blocking. It has the option, but it seems to not work.
welcome back, glorious pigposters
They finally figured out how computer works
Welcome back!
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However will lemmy deal with dissenting or socialist comments? Oh bless my pure centrist heart!
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Pretty much all my experiences with that instance and similar ones have been disgusting.
Pushing people who post burning flags of a country and posts about it to be fully wiped out are accepted… Criticism regarding this gets your comment remove and a ban from the community.
I don’t need that again. Where can I block this pseudo-left pro-authoritarian instance in Voyager?
Well, I can totally get what you’re talking about, but instance blocking on lemmy only blocks communities and posts from a specific instance.
I’d recommend you check out an instance which defederates from hex. Like lemmy.ca, sh.itjust.works and sopuli.xyz.Thanks for the explanation.
Settings -> Filters & Blocks -> Scroll to the bottom to find “Blocked Instances”.
You’ll still see their comments though on other instances.
Oh no not your precious nationalism.
not interested in that.
You’re talking about Hexbear being pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist as though they are anti-semetic and wish extermination on Jewish people. No, that’s not how Hexbear is, Hexbear is neither genocidal nor anti-semetic.
You might be talking about something else, but burning a flag of say, the US, does not mean Hexbear wants to slaughter everyone in the US. It means Hexbear stands against the US State and its ruling class, same with Israel and its genocidal ruling class.
Anti-Zionism, anti-fascism, and being pro-Palestine are all 3 Leftist stances.
Anyway, to block a community, you can do it in your settings. You will still see comments from users, just not comms.
I think they are probably talking about the community being in denial of China and Russia being a dictatorship, and the fascist/authoritarian cock sucking.
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Russia is certainly a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, not sure anyone would disagree with that, the people don’t have power in the Russian Federation, same with the US. China, on the other hand, is a democracy. It’s not a liberal democracy, but the people have a direct influence on how their society is run, which is why 90%+ Chinese citizens support their government.
Hexbear is anti-fascist, so no clue what you’re talking about there, nor why you decided to go straight for homophobic/misogynistic insults at the end.
So when does someone besides Xi get “elected” in this so called “democracy”?
When people want someone else to be in his position 👍
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He did not declare himself president for life 👍
And for what it’s worth, I am quite welcome most places on Lemmy. There are a few users like yourself that seem to hate me, but those are in the minority of those I interact with. I’m a Leftist, after all, and Lemmy is usually pretty left-leaning. You can keep calling everyone that disagrees with you a fascist, but that doesn’t make it true.
China, on the other hand, is a democracy. It’s not a liberal democracy, but the people have a direct influence on how their society is run
Yeah. Even, if you disagree with the government, because then, you can still be democratic in jail…
Not sure what you’re trying to say here, China has a much lower imprisonment ratio than the US.
What do I have to do with US?
Most democracy rankings rank it as flawed democracy anyway. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
What’s the imprisonment quote of Uigurs in China by the way?
Your point was that China just imprisons people willy-nilly and thus isn’t democratic, but that’s just not true if we look at the numbers. As for the Uyghur question, no idea, the re-education program seems to be over or nearing completion so I don’t imagine its very high.
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Xi isn’t a dictator, nor is he the sole government of the PRC.
So why does he get to have totolitarian control over the country for life? INB4 more denial.
Constant denial of reality is a disgusting look for a “democracy”. It’s a disgusting look for you.
“If Xi isn’t a dictator, then why do I think he is? Checkmate, tankies!”
He doesn’t. Can you back any of your claims up, at all?
Xi has been re-elected twice because people are happy with the steady improvements in their material conditions.
- Most in China Call Their Nation A Democracy, Most in U.S. Say America Isn’t
- Long-term survey reveals Chinese government satisfaction
- Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says [UN] Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
- China’s Energy Use Per Person Surpasses Europe’s for First Time
- At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
- China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
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If you want to talk about a fake democracy, look no further than the US. Previously:The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
75·7 days agoCowbee isnt praising a dictator, like its not even written in a way where you can maybe misunderstand it as such.
Why do people keep having such a hard time reading? Is this the USA education system?
Cowbees use your main account like a big boy
Also refusing to call a dictator a dictator means you like that they are a dictator but don’t like having to admit you like dictators publicly.
I only have 2 accounts, my .ml and my hexbear account. Edie is her own person, and misgendering faer when she puts her pronouns publicly is queerphobic.
Moreover, Xi isn’t a dictator. Disagreeing with one person’s unsourced and vibes-based analysis does not make me a fan of dictators.
Hello, I am Edie, not Cowbee.
You’re talking about Hexbear being pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist as though they are anti-semetic and wish extermination on Jewish people.
No, I’m talking about people from there literally suggesting to wipe out Israel… That very innovative idea hasn’t worked for the last 80 years and won’t in the next 80 years. That’s as intelligent as suggesting to wipe out the other side. I am not interested in that kind of content.
Nobody suggests that. People want the dissolution of the Israeli state, this does not mean genocide of all Israelis, and conflating the two is a tool Zionists use in order to pretend Pro-Palestinian protestors are anti-semetic genocidal monsters.
lol, yeah, let’s act like it did not happen. I’d try to find it and post you a link, but my comment was removed by the very brave moderators who did not do anything against the extremism and made sure that there was no criticism.
The word was “destruction” and that was described as “based”.
Destruction of the State apparatus of Israel would indeed be based, as Israelis and Palestinians could live in a single, secular, democratic Palestine.
Lol at the 4 losers who downvoted every comment somebody from hexbear made. Just block the instance if you’re this mad.
Blocking the instance does not block comments from that instance, only posts.
They should block the users as they see them then, not like there’s actually that many.
Finally! This place just isn’t the same without pics of pigs shitting on their own balls.
I tried to get AI to generate it for me but it’s just not the same.
I just blocked the whole instance as soon as the option was implemented. There were few good posts/comunities from it, but overall better to block it whole.
Do be aware of the limitations of user blocking though.
Somehow I can’t block it using Voyager, the only instance appearing is
test.hexbear.net. Any idea why?SJW blocks them already.
SJW? Social Justice Warrior? Is that an instance?
sh.itjust.works shit just works
That should be SIW…
It’s “Shit Just Works”
It is Sh.Itjust.Works and the joke has now been improved by an explanation.
Shh… It just works.
@sh.itjust.works
Really? Last time they federated with us they’re the ones who ended up defederating and I thought that was the end of it
They’re mutally defederating.
That explains why so many hexbear defenders in SJW comms are on different instances (usually .ml). They literally can’t see those comms from their hexbear accounts.
I can access hexbear communities, at https://sh.itjust.works/instances only
test.hexbear.netis listed which leads to 502 anyway. Am I doing something wrong?Check the blocked tab. Also, when servers defed, old posts and comms stay behind.
Probably an issue on sh.itjust.works’s end, though Hex blocks it so they won’t see anything on your end even if you do get in.
If you want to see what it’s about, just visit hexbear.net directly.
It makes sense, all the posts I find from hexbear are a couple of months old. It is a bit annoying, because when I hit explore in Voyager and sort by size, thalf of the communities are from hexbear… Maybe @[email protected] has an idea why it behaves like this?
I tried removing a bunch of the old hexbear communities. Did that help at all?
Also sorting communities by total subscribers is a bad system. It’s more useful to sort by monthly active users imo.
You can use lemmyverse to sort by active users.
Hexbear used to be federated with sh.itjust.works. if you defederate, the old posts still continue to exist, hence the communities also still continuing to show.
I’m actually getting pissed, I have hexbear.net and test.hexbear.net both instance blocked in Voyager but can still see these cretins comments. I could tag them all but that would take forever.
Edit: Fuck it, just blocking them when I see them.
I mean why do they make you that mad they’re usually pretty cool
If you find their behavior cool… Cool is defined by society, usually.
Most do not find their behavior remotely cool. They’re absolute hypocritical dissent censoring liars, as a majority.
What is cool to you?
They’re anti-capitalist and militantly pro LGBTQ+. What’s not to like?
Open support of dictatorships, for starters.
They’re not honest about their political policies in the slightest.
Lying about everything and censorship of dissent. This really is the icing.
If their ideologies are pure and right, why do they need to silence conversation with imaginary pretenses?
You’re misrepresenting the actuality of the environment you’re promoting…
Few may be decent, though the experience of most non trolling has been, the instance is overrun and managed by a lot of narcissistic, hypercritical, and toxic individuals.
they’re usually pretty cool
oh boy how i love having the entire discussion thread be derailed by a bunch of angry hexbears spamming stickers
If you want to sit at the table with Nazis, that’s up to you, I have no room for them.
Equating Communists to Nazis is a form of Nazi apologia. I suggest you read Blackshirts and Reds.
Nazis???
In what universe are these people Nazis???
Your account is almost 2 years old so you’re either on an instance that hasn’t shown you their shit, you’re ignorant to the real world and how this has been playing out time and time again, or you’re intentionally pretending to not see them for what they are.
Communists are far-left, Nazis are far-right. These are diametrically opposed, and are why the Soviets were the most effective anti-Nazi force in World War II, responsible for 90% of Nazi deaths. The Nazis are the most effective anticommunists, that’s why they targeted German Communists first, in both the famous “first they came for” poem and in real life.
Hexbear are Communists, full-stop.
No, my instance has always federated with them and I have not had any problems with Hexbear. They can be loud and boisterous when prompted but as far as Nazi-ism? They are leftists I’m truly confused at what you’re on about. Could you be any more specific?
Instance blocking blocks the comms, not the users. You will have to block every user you see if you’re reflexively anti-Hexbear, or move to an instance defederated from them entirely.
That’s so fucking lame. I didn’t know how good I had it this whole time. But I am absolutely petty enough to block every user from there.
I’d recommend you go to an instance that blocks hex, like lemmy.ca or sopuli.xyz.
I’m not giving up my account because of Nazis. I’ll block every one of them if I have to.
I believe you.
