Legitimate question- do you know any IRL? I am convinced that these people will stand by Trump no matter what. I live in a Trump heavy district and everyone is talking about how hard this is but how it’s all actually a genius negotiating tactic. They truly cannot believe that Trump isn’t their Savior.
I know a guy who did a 180 in the first month. Of course he never likes to remember that he was spreading conspiracy theories about Harris, or calling Trump “the devil [he knew].” He just knows he’s watching his crypto gains vanish into thin air.
i agree, if people are bought into the propaganda, they wont be deprogrammed as easily. the only people i saw that broke out of being a republican, was older people, especially the way they were treated by younger magas.
I mean, kinda. Guys I heard talking sounded the most concerned I’ve ever heard them. Normally when talking about trump they’re self assured, certain. Today, they were basically talking like they were reassuring themselves. Which is quite interesting. But still in the cult.
I still have family in the rural Midwest and the cope is real. There’s a handful of people back home that will admit Trump sucks and of the farmers that my family knows, only one regrets their vote, the rest are smoking the copium hard.
they actually believed he only says things to get himself elected thats about it, or he would walk back the promises designed to hurt them. oh and conservatives are always addicted to drama/ propaganda, hence why they fall for scams very easily.
Nope, they’re still full-on MAGATizing out there. If they realize anything yet, it’s only subconsciously and they’ll never admit it, even to themselves.
Narcissists will never admit they’re wrong, or apologize.
“My team no matter what!”
Who cares?
The media is pushing this narrative about “Trump voters” so that liberals will go “FAFO” and jerk off about leopards. The fact remains that most of the people hurt by these policies didn’t vote for them.
I loathe voting for neoliberals. I’m fully aware it’s harm reduction and this ship has been sinking under Neoliberals and Fascists since Reagan converted his former opposition to the corpo take into today. I haven’t had a candidate to vote for in a general election in my entire life. I’m 40. Yes Ive volunteered in primaries for a better path.
But I did eat the rancid shit and vote neoliberal every time, because affirmation ribbons you can’t eat or live inside are still better than scapegoats. I hated voting for Kerry, Obama, Clinton, Biden, and Harris, but I took my medicine and did it with a funeral dirge in my heart telling myself it’s better that less people get hurt than more. The ship has been sinking my entire voting life regardless of party, but it’s been crystal clear it sinks faster under fascists than neoliberals. Something something to that starfish it mattered.
The people that could vote for Harris but didn’t can get fucked right along with the Trump voters as far as I’m concerned. My empathy is reserved for people too young to vote and people who voted against this.
Willful ignorance about your own society and governance is no excuse. “Teehee I’m not political I’m keeping up with the Kardashians/stupid sports GAMES” means you didnt care about anyone else, feel free to diaf.
Right there with you, I chose the lesser of two evils in my mind, simply because there were no options to pick from. I did vote Sanders simply because it was a refreshing and mature take on the things that mattered in my mind to society, not the Red vs. Blue rhetoric, finger point, gas lighting debauchery that picked up since Trump joined in with politics. Democrats are largely playing by the book while Republicans are burning it, the we need to have a third party that douses the party formerly comprised of Conservatives in gasoline and watch them burn while simultaneously archiving the democratic senior leadership. AOC is a breath of fresh air and someone that at least has some empathy and life experience to the average American, not these silver spoon fed premadonna’s that play at leaders. These people spend millions to keep their cushy gigs, while single mothers skip meals just to feed their kids. Disgusting in my mind and I am only a few years younger than yourself, enough is enough already, but it would have to be a radical hard fought battle at this point to pull a third party out of the rubble that is the politics of this country at this point. All this talk of owning the woke, well guess what, it seems more are waking up to your bullshit and you are fire selling the country cause you see the end of the tunnel and its not light.
I’ve been a Repub since forever, abstained until I realized I was being an asshat and finally voted Harris for the same reasons. Hell, at the end of the day, do I vote for an economics major/ Attorney who supports the judiciary or a literal Nero who wants to make bank while the world burns?
Can we just go back to politically arguing about a balanced budget? Why does that now seem like an insane position?? I’d like to get off this ride now, plz.
I voted Harris. But at this point, i am thinking that the Democratic Party must be corralled first before trying to take on the republicans. So now i am looking for third party or independent in the future.
Keep dreaming.
Midterms are less than 24 months away. You’re not going to get a viable third party.
If you want progress, start finding and supporting the Dems you like in the primaries.
Find dems in primaries that agree with you. If you can’t find one reasonable close, run yourself. That’s my mindset. Already trying to make connections to run myself
This.
You have a party of Neoliberal Reagan Republicans (mostly,) and… literal Nazis.
Ain’t it great?
The GOP turning into a Nazi party is living proof that even in the American landscape, substantial political shifts are possible. If leftists would organize and tea-party the democrats from the other flank there would be an immediate effect. The problem being, of course, that leftists start arguing over the dumbest shit immediately which hinders any real coordination.
You hit on the the Left’s greatest weakness: they fight amongst themselves until it’s too late.
The Right is unified, they eject anyone who isn’t a “Team Player.”
They didn’t vote against them either.
Noncitizens can’t vote. A lot of people who voted for Harris are being harmed.
I hate to be the one to tell you that the world is not just. The idea that people who suffer must deserve it is a cop out.
Not all of them. Just got off the phone with my dad where he was celebrating the successful effort to curb waste fraud and abuse. apparently this was all bidens fault and thank god we have trump to guide us through to prosperity. now, I just need to put my paycheck into crypto and I’ll be one of the new lords of this coming age…
thank god, was beginning to worry after checking on my 401k…
Sorry your dad is an idiot.
The Boomers became Republicans when the GOP pretended to be sane, namely Eisenhower. That’s what their parents did, and that’s what they do. They also grew up in an area that produced males with John Wayne Syndrome: real men never admit fault, never apologize, fight at the drop of a hat like overgrown 15 year old boys, and never show any emotion except for anger and contempt. Empathy is for pinko commies, and women.
The thing is they’ve been brainwashed by Fox, Right Wing AM radio, Right Wing news rags. Who know exactly how to pander to, and enrage these people. It’s intentional. It’s why those propaganda organs exist: to enrage old white people.
It’s not an excuse, but that’s what’s happened.
The only way to get through to these people is to fuck with their money, and their embarrassing gay, or interfacial lovin’ kids. And even then they’ll find a way to blame it on “The Libruls.”
says you, but he’ll beat that cancer with the ivermectin, I’m sure of it…
See, this is what saddens, and enrages me. Ivermectin does not work.
They should be using WD-40 and duct tape. Any fool knows that!
Sorry he’s dying too.
It’s all wrapped up with a beautiful bow, the biggest, best bow ever, people are saying that, a bow like you’ve never seen before, everyone knows there is no better bow in terms of wrapping.
Do grown men cry when they see the bow?
You know, I was going to think up a funny reply for this one but in truth, in 40something years, I’ve only seen the man cry twice. He is not someone who likes to display emotion (except for anger).
So no, only weak men cry?
This is a great article, more than just bait for “You voted for leopards eating faces and now you’re surprised that a leopard ate your face” comments.
There’s a great opportunity for Dems here, if they are willing to take it. Point out to the conservative little people that Trump’s friends are the rich and powerful and the little conservatives will get nothing and like it. Highlight that Trump is hurting farmers so he and his rich buddies can get a tax cut. Remind them that the GQP doesn’t care about people. It only exists to get stupid rich off of everyone’s labour.
There’s a great opportunity for Dems here, if they are willing to take it.
Probably not. Every time the leadership is presented with an opportunity, they choose to do the exact wrong thing.
“Hmm, rise to the moment and present a real alternative? Why, when we can just run a shitty uninspiring candidate and just say ‘vote for them or Donald Trump kills everyone?’”
Indeed. Hence my ‘if they are willing to take it’ bit. They most likely aren’t.
they’re not going to take it because their goals overlap considerably w the republican’s goals.
If they drop the ball on this extremely easy layup of a messaging task then we gotta really seriously figure out how to replace AT LEAST the Dem leadership
The simpsons got it right decades ago with Dems: We’re incompetent and can’t govern Reps: We’re evil! But Seriously, the biggest problem the Dems have in 2025 is that they’re ANCHORED in establishment. Those in the lead now are not there because they’re capable, intelligent, or popular, but because they waited their turn. It’s a commitment to fairness and rules to the point of self sabotage. Tell Schumer and Pelosi to take a hike, put AOC, Booker, anyone else who has a plan and is committed to actually FUCKING DOING SOMETHING in charge, rather than telling them to play nice with the party and wait their turn behind the wheel when current leadership dies.
The problem here is that they’re also owned by the rich and powerful. They might give you a cookie, but they can’t meaningfully challenge power.
Thanks for saying this. In was about to, but you nailed it perfectly.
I think with current Democrat leadership, yeah they’ll fuck it all up.
That’s their job. They’re the Washington Generals.
I wouldn’t hold my breath if I was you. The current DNC is too afraid that they’ll scare off the rich donors if they attack Republicans. They’re worried about collateral damage if they take pot shots and accidentally hit one of the rich donors.
Both the GOP and the DNC want to focus on culture war bullshit rather than anything class related because neither wants to do anything that would run counter to the interests of the ultra wealthy.
A lot of those donors are also the ones losing as well. Doing nothing accomplishes nothing. Might as well try.
That’s the hope, but I’d not plan for it!
They aren’t, though. The whole reason Trump is crashing the economy is so his rich donors can buy up everything for cheap
Got it in stereo, even. Yep. I agree. That’s why I put the ‘if they are willing to take it’ in. They most likely aren’t because of what you cited in your reply, though.
You can’t convince ANY Trumper or Independent. I spoke with my ex-husband again about all this last week. He’s very wealthy, hates Trump, but hates all democrats too. So he threw his vote away to the 3rd party will be buying more TSLA during the dip. And here is why I’ll never talk about politics with him again; he thinks it’s a GREAT IDEA that Muskrat is taking a sledgehammer to the government. Doesn’t matter that Musk is an unelected foreigner doing major damage to our country. “It’s what’s needed.” Ex-husband said.
I always believed he was smarter than that, but nope. He’s got enough money to ride this out and retire at 55.
Will probably he doesn’t have his money under a mattress… so I guess he may eventually unretire 🤷♂️😂
No, he’s got enough, and he’s diversified very well. We’re both 54, and I was really, really hoping that I could retire at 67. However, I don’t know if I can come back fast enough after this nosedive. But the ex-husband will be fine and he’ll retire next January.
That’s the U.S. in a nutshell. The very wealthy will be fine, but people like me who are constantly trying to just hold onto what I’ve already earned will be worse off by a mile.
I’m really REALLY curious to know from these people when they say “it’s what’s needed” and they’re doing as well as you say…why? Why is it needed?
If you’re doing well, then surely dismantling everything that hurts others isn’t what’s needed unless it’s solely going to help you and only you (or others in your same position). If that’s why, then the problem isn’t the system…
When we were young, he was hardcore republican because “small government.” And he’s convinced that the biggest drain on the budget is poor people. I’ve argued that wealthy people and farmers are the biggest welfare queens. And our military is the biggest drain, but he won’t see.
I now understand what a moron I’ve been to believe that he ever meant it when he agreed that healhcare should be provided, college should be free, and childcare should be free. I see that he’d be the first person demanding those get shot down. I mean, anyone buying the TSLA dip is telling you they don’t care about the human quality of life, nor about naziism. They only care about making money.
I’ve come to the realization that he’s still republican, but Trump is obviously brain damaged, so ex can’t support him. But maybe the rest of the repugnants aren’t that bad.
Pretty much 100% bullshit as you’ve probably already guessed. I will no longer talk to him about anything requiring brain function because he’s proof that wealth <> intelligence.
Thank you for taking the time to write this. It is definitely all bullshit and I still don’t understand how someone with wealth can think poor people are a drain on society considering in a society where there are ways to win then there will be a loser. In another timeline, his wealth that he’s accumulated might be seen as poor and he’d be a drain on the economy despite all he supposedly has.
Not everyone can be reached, but I don’t think no one can be reached either. It just takes the Dems growing a fucking spine, though, which is the harder lift, IMO.
There’s a great opportunity for Dems here, if they are willing to take it.
They can’t take it, because they are shackled to the same petty financial cartels and tech oligarchs that delivered Trump the first two times.
Dems can’t break from neoconservative when all their money and their leadership is coming from Bush Era neoconservatives.
Because they are fucking ignorant of how the world works.
Most people are. You vote based on your vulgar popular impulses, not based on some PhD level insight into market mechanics.
It is very easy to get people to go against their own best interests with a sufficient degree of propaganda. And the volume of propaganda has been tilted towards fascism for (conservatively speaking) a decade.
Wall to Wall “Immigrants from gangs affiliated with the CCP are doing a 9/11 every day to your jobs and your white women” coverage for most of a generation is going to shape public perception regardless of how High IQ the audience.
Garbage in, garbage out.
Thank you.
Rural people, by and large, aren’t stupider people -they just have different experiences with education than urban voters. These are human problems, organizational problems.
It is true that when the People to Square Mile ratio tilts a certain way you’re less likely to encounter opposing viewpoints, which favors conservativism. But these are generalities, nothing more.
I’m sick of seeing rural America get thrown under the bus by so many publications. A truly democratic America would see the breadbasket for what it is - the bell curve.
But these GODDAMN FASCISTS have gotten so entrenched in conservative circles over the past century, making it more and more impossible for reasonable Satan-fearing blue-collar Anarchists like me to do our FUCKING JOBS and help them build STRUCTURES THAT WILL HELP THEM… sorry I get a little annoyed
Where was i?
Satan-fearing blue-collar Anarchists
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We out here lol
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For sure, I didn’t mean ignorant as in stupid, just unaware, not paying attention
It’s the information environment, stupid.
Same conclusion as everyone. If Democrats want to survive, they have got to start pushing these online information siloes shamelessly like Republicans do instead of rambling on about issues, door to door, like it’s 1950. It’s like they’re fighting drones with swords.
It sucks. But if they aren’t going to reign in big tech and literally criminal media, well, they better join the mess they’re complicit in.
online information siloes
I’m not sure that’s possible because the Democratic platform doesn’t have the sort of populist appeal that Trump’s Republican platform does. Moderation can’t compete with extremism in this domain. I suppose that the Democrats could try to pivot to their own (presumably class-based) form of populism but, at least from my point of view, one very strong reason to support the Democrats is because they aren’t populist. Having one populist party versus another would be a lose/lose situation.
I don’t have an alternate proposal. It may actually be the case that social media will eventually force every serious political movement to pivot towards populism and create its own truth in order to be competitive, but then who would make the policy decisions in a world of meme warfare?
My proposal is that Democrats start lying.
Go on Tiktok, claim you’re gonna pass a law capping rent at $500/mo.
Go on MSNBC and say “clearly we can’t do that, it will cause severe economic shock, but we’ll look at expanding rent control and increasing housing stock”
There’s no consequences anymore. Just tell people what they want to hear. Say crazy populist shit. Have your donors purchase media outlets and juice the algorithm. Have botnets spread misinfo and disinfo. Then when you’re in power enact reasonable policy.
Voters don’t like boring, reasonable policy. That’s not enough drama. Start saying wild shit.
I don’t have an alternate proposal. It may actually be the case that social media will eventually force every serious political movement to pivot towards populism and create its own truth in order to be competitive, but then who would make the policy decisions in a world of meme warfare?
Simple, obliterate engagement obsessed social media. Or rein it in.
Failing that (and it already failed in the US, seeing how we basically crowned Big Tech), well… Two populist parties is better than a monoparty. And maybe a party can get someone “cynical” who will say absolutely anything but, behind closed doors, doesn’t drink so much of their own Kool Aid.
I better go to Costco and buy as many canned foods as possible huh?
Dunno about that, but I’m not great at economics. Seems to me that if people outside the country stop buying our food, the prices for that food here should drop pretty dramatically when they try and dump what they’ve earmarked for export here instead. The farmers are still screwed, but I ‘think’ we’re fine since we’re kinda the breadbasket of the world.?
Coffee and tea on the other hand xD Yeah, we can’t grow that.
If current solutions continue, they’ll dispose of all the food before they’ll consider using it to feed the poor.
The US imports more food then exports, in 2023 imports exceeded exports by $21 billion.
Edit: I like your optimistic view though. Realistically though you guys are going to go through a very rough time. This is not going to be as simple as well we just won’t send it overseas, because you guys rely a lot on imports with Mexico, Canada and China being your top importers of various foods and agricultural products.
You could get a years worth of green coffee beans right now before prices reflect the change. Learn to roast, it can be done cheap.
Are we, though? As far as I can tell from the stats, we’re going to have a whole lot of surplus corn and meat, and not much else. And that’s assuming we’ll be able to feed the livestock, but hopefully we have enough domestic corn and soy to cover ourselves.
I see we searched the same source xD. I found this graph that shows the particulars.
(Not sure why it’s not taking you there. Working on it but you can copy the link.)
I was at a rally over the weekend. I can assure you that most of them are still quite committed to being taken. At least in my odd little corner of Oregon.
The rural parts of Oregon are something else. I don’t think people realize that blue states just have huge cities to vote blue, not that the entire state is blue. Same with the red states.
One of my favorite stats to pull out in regards to this:
What states have had the most votes for Trump (2016, 2020, 2024)?
Texas 16,968,991 California 16,572,025 Florida 16,396,742
slow clap Turns out that they’re not all illiterate, so I guess a belated congratulations on their achievement of 8th grade reading comprehension is in order?
I think this is a very important bit:
When we say they’re voting against their interests, I think we have to be very clear. I don’t think when they vote for somebody like Trump, or George W. Bush for that matter or Mitt Romney, they’re voting against many of their social and cultural interests. They may simply apply greater salience or weight to that than they do their ability to cover their health care costs or their ability to limit their co-pays and out-of-pocket expenses or their tax rates or their local industries.
Definitely important for us to understand and also just insane that that’s probably the right conclusion too. They care more about their culture war issues than they do about their health care etc., that is at least until the moment someone comes for them. It’s such a depressing failure of imagination that such a wide swath of the voting public fails to realize how bad it could get for them until it actually does.
Also, there was a part of the article that talked about the “us (rural) vs them (city)” mentality. We need to start pointing out that there are a shit ton of rural folk in the city. Cities are our true melting pot and why they’re usually very liberal. They are surrounded by the “thems” in the rural boogie man scenario. The city people work with them, talk to them, see them on the street and they are human also.
The covid portion is going to stick with me awhile too. The rural areas should have had the least amount of deaths during covid and I think that was what Trump was counting on. They aren’t on mass transit and don’t have to see their neighbor if they don’t choose too. They had a natural social distancing. But they were 3 to 4x the death rate. The lack of interaction makes them more racist and that racism made them die more. It’s a crazy way to look at it.
Aaaaaand scamer get scammed.
