What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
— Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles’ rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons…
– Wilfred Owen
What’s wrong with writing poetry on an aircraft carrier? I can’t speak to being on an aircraft carrier, but on a submarine you are not in war mode 24/7; there’s time to do ordinary things. (usually).
Let me guess: Tommy here hasn’t ever served in the military, right? All he knows about it is from movies?
Fascists fear free expression
dulce et decorum est pro patria mori
Stop Patrick you’re scaring him!!
Talked to quite a few vets. My understanding is that outside of training, the military is like 90% waiting… I’m sorry, “assuming a holding pattern”
As the old joke has it, 99% is killing time. The rest is killing time.
Unless you’re the vessel’s chef, then you’re killing thyme.
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I wouldn’t say 90% but it is significant. “Hurry up and wait” is a common phrase in the military - you don’t exactly have much “free time” (where you could do as you please) but you do have a lot of time wasted because you have to be at this location at 5:30 so you can wait for an evolution at 6 that doesn’t actually involve you doing anything until 7:30. So you just sit around waiting to do shit but can’t go anywhere else. Poetry sounds like a better way to pass the time than what I did in those situations, which was usually nap or BS with the others waiting around.
Don’t forget rock toss!
Free time? On a sub? There’s got to be something you’re dinq on, so get hot.
Well, maybe free time doesn’t happen in the first year, but I was a nuke; quals weren’t all that bad from what I remember.
The chief’s quarters really need you to push out those Dive quals so they can go to a 15 section rotation.
I guess he doesn’t like the national anthem then, which is a poem written during war
He only likes it if it means the start of a football game.
Tuberville seems like he gets offended when the NFL wears pink to support breast cancer awareness.
And written by a Socialist
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It was Key, not Keyes, and his relationship with slavery was complicated. Far more so than many of his contemporaries.
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I didn’t say he was a socialist, I said his relationship with slavery was complicated. Which it was, as you can see if you just read that part of the Wikipedia entry.
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Ok, and the comment I replied to said a thing about a man whose name you got wrong which is not as black-and-white as you make it out to be. You don’t get to be free from criticism yourself, sorry.
To the tune of an old British drinking song for a gentlemen’s club.
Reminds me of the quote by Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
This is mis-attributed.
Tuberville is neither, though.
He neither thinks nor fights (he coaches!), but is both a coward and a fool.
You sure he’s not a coward and a fool?
Either a warrior nor scholar. He’s definitely both a coward and fool
He’s not thinking or fighting either. So I guess we’re good?
The GOP plan
Yeah, fuck specialists! If you aren’t good at everything, you’re worthless!
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
How many brain sugeries did he perform? How many spaceflight trajectories did he calculate? How many high speed computer processors did he engineer?
I don’t know, I’ll go ask the dead man about his immortal fictional character.
Heinlein was a pompous ass and this quote is exhibit A.
I’m doubtful Heinlein ever designed a building or set a bone.
He was a notorious Minecraft streamer.
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That escalated quickly.
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Yeah, um, I was just making a little joke dude.
I think you overcorrected there a bit
Thinking isn’t a specialty, nor is strength
They are qualities that can be possessed by the same person
Alan Turing, a mathematician and gay man, is right up there with Oppenheimer, Churchill, Macarthur, and Stalin in level of importance towards the allied victory in WW2.
I’m a veteran. A lot of really good troops in technical fields tended to not serve all that long due to better quality of life outside of the military. An ace technical troop is worth their weight in gold.
Various types of mechanics and technicians, logisticians, network admins, equipment operators, pilots, various engineers, and other technical troops are the real power of the US military. Most of those are more technical than physical.
It isn’t brawn that keeps around 100 USN ships deployed around the world at any given time. It isn’t brawn that gives the USAF a 48 hour turn around time for operating anywhere in the world. It isn’t brawn that keeps large ground forces supplied at bases all around the world. It is education, brains, and training.
I agree with the sentiment here, but as a history fan I have to challenge MacArthur’s place on that list.
He’s well known for his personality, speeches and statements, not his performance on the battlefield, which resulted in the needless deaths of thousands of American servicemen simply following his unwise orders. MacArthur was a brilliant politician but a mediocre general, and should be remembered as such.
If you want to reach for an American WW2 general worth his stars, can go with Patton or Eisenhower. They did well, even with the benefit of hindsight. We also had a slew of amazing admirals around about that time. They weren’t all good of course, but we had enough.
General Ridgeway is the one people need to remember over MacArthur.
I remember when Putin’s War started. Over on that other site someone commented that one of the things that’ll make or break the war for Ukraine is:
Logistics!
To paraphrase, “The U.S. is many things but they’re inarguably the masters of logistics. They can get anything, anywhere, across the globe in a shockingly short amount of time. If they back Ukraine, Russia’s in a whole world of hurt.”
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On a ship nonetheless
Didn’t Francis Scott Key write the Star Spangled Banner on a military ship during wartime?
This should be the default response to this asshole.
Maybe he dosnt like those who were caught /s
right now, we are so woke in the military we’re losing recruits right and left
Tuberville is blocking military promotions. If officers are not regularly promoted, they are discharged from the military. Tuberville is contributing to the discharge of US military persons and blaming it on “wokeness”.
We’ve got people doing poems on aircraft carriers over the loudspeaker.
Tuberville portrays this as a problem contributing to “wokeness”. As evidenced by this thread, there is a long storied tradition of war poetry. Including famous military persons.
After Ingraham asked, “Could we confidently take on China?” Tuberville replied, “Oh no. Oh no. No, and we’re running Russia into China."
This is false, China is warming to Ukraine. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-06/france-sees-china-easing-stance-on-ukraine-before-g-20-summit#xj4y7vzkg
"They’re combining up and now BRICS is very, very concerning to me because they’re controlling all the petroleum in the world.”
Blatantly false. https://investingnews.com/daily/resource-investing/energy-investing/oil-and-gas-investing/top-oil-producing-countries/
Tuberville is either lying or misinformed. Debunking these comments took some minor work and taught me how effective it is to spew bullshit.
He’s a Republican correct? If so, you don’t need to ask if he’s knowingly lying, that answer is always “yes” especially if he’s a guest on Propaganda Now™©®
This is false. Republicans don’t always lie. If they did, literally nobody would believe them.
What they do is actually far worse. They tell just enough truth to make their lies seem believable. That’s why they end up being dangerous: because they’re believable.
I know you don’t believe them or find them believable, but enough people do that they keep getting elected.
I know you don’t believe them or find them believable, but enough people do that they keep getting elected.
More accurately enough people blindly vote with party lines to keep Republicans in power
The republicans don’t write the talking points, right wing media does. The politicians just parrot them. Right wing media dictates what the party is saying.
Break the system, complain that the system is broken and blame it on the Dems, repeat. He’s only fooling the morons but unfortunately, they vote too.
Breaking shit and blaming it on Democrats has been the Republican MO since I’ve started voting.
This guy is human trash
Yeah cause a Warrior Poet is something that nobody has ever aspired to, or claimed is the peak of masculinity.
Mad Dog Mattis, the supposed most well known recent iteration of the warrior poet/scholar archetype, is probably pretty pissed while reading about this.
As a young Marine this guy was one of those guys you learned leadership examples from, I had the chance to hear him speak on several occasions while I served. It was pretty disappointing seeing him join the Trump administration, but made sense when you could plainly see that he and Trump absolutely did not get along, because Trump isn’t a real leader by any stretch of imagination.
Tuberville is just another ignorant know-nothing Chickenhawk piece of shit, with extra racism and potential treason thrown in the mix to make him an extra large pile of shit.
I’m willing to bet he has zero evidence of anything he’s said. He probably cruises a CCP run website for his info.
Evidence? They haven’t provided evidence of any of these absurd claims for years now.
Also this guy is too stupid to be doing this without a handler. I don’t think he’s pro China, I think he’s pro hurting America as long as a Dem is in charge.
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He probably cruises a CCP run website for his info.
This is an OUTRAGE. How dare you claim this PATRIOT gets his info from the CCP???
That’s a beauty
Tommy Tuberville had never served in the millitary.
Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville is waging an unprecedented campaign to try to change Pentagon abortion policy by holding up hundreds of military nominations and promotions, forcing less experienced leaders into top jobs and raising concerns at the Pentagon about military readiness.
A piece of shit through and through. Another day another member of the GOP weaponizing congress by holding random unrelated shit hostage to get their ways. This shit to fuck with womans right to healthcare out of all things.
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The fuck does this dude think soldiers did in the Civil War and World War I?
They had nothing but time and laudanum. You do the fucking math.
“doing poems”? Who does a poem? Don’t you write a poem?
They’re poeming all over the aircraft carriers!
Ugh, I got meter all down my whites
Hey, you shouldn’t make fun of congressmen with severe learning disabilities.
So that’s what the R stands for is it?
I did the dankest poem the other day, shit had me fuckin literate out of my mind
In the article, his quote mentions reading them over the boat PA systems. Probably just jealous of their literacy.
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Something something ship not a boat. Come at me, squid-bros.
Former squid and I still call everything a boat just to see what different people say.
Everyone says boat. Unless they’re calling someone shipmate because it’s hilarious.
Kinda wish I’d been on a ship just for the experience of it but the closest I got was a grudging admission about being under the “Department of the Navy” umbrella and a dangling carrot of a MEU if I’d been willing to reenlist. Sorta regret not doing it but I’d had my fill of the routine daily bullshit and was ready to move on. All the Navy guys I knew with the first name “Doc” were cool as hell though, the rest were probably at least all right.
I got about a week’s worth of boat time. Definitely not for me glad I just joined a department of the navy too.
BIG SHIP LITTLE SHIP
CARDBOARD BOX!
Meet us behind the bike sheds after school, we’re going to do some poems.
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Caesar, Alexander and Tzu wrote poetry, you absolute troglodyte, and you think you’re more man than them? GTFO here…
General Patton was known for writing poetry as well.
This dumb motherfucker thought the 3 branches of goverment were the executive, house and the senate.
Civil rights attorney Doug jones to this bucket of rocks. Alabama just swirling around in madness.
I love the irony of the man responsible for holding up officer promotions and DIRECTLY AN UNEQUIVOCALLY DAMAGING MILITARY READINESS FOR A CONFLICT OR EMERGENCY is criticizing service members who do more good for this country on a bathroom break than this shitheel will ever do in his entire life.
And even more so the irony that the Right’s ‘Anti-Woke’ culture is just a woke culture of it’s own on the other axis, but rather than standing for anything it just exist to oppose and stagnate. The sooner all these people retire and go back under what ever rock they came out from under, the sooner things start to improve across the board for the US.
Like abortion, it’s a losing topic for the GOP. The majority of Americans consider “woke” a positive thing.
Well, it is. The opposite of woke is asleep.
You do the math.
Idk to me it’s a no-brainer
American politics (I can’t speak for other companies sorry I meant countries) boil down to: do you want to make consistent, planned, and supported efforts to improve and progress the country or do you want to be the dumb fuck at the back of the stuck elevator yelling about how we should’ve just kept stairs.
Regress or progress. It’s simple. Republicans only care about upholding their status quo. You might think you’re their friends until one day you realize your position was never what you thought it was and there’s always more room for coal in their burning trash pit.
Don’t forget this is the same rhetoric that right wingers used to compare Russia’s military to the US. Russia is real men, the modern modern military in the world, the best trained, the US is falling behind. The West thought that Ukraine would fall in days in the event of a Russian invasion.
Then an invasion actually happened and the facade was stripped away.
Zero surprise they’re recycling their old talking points for China instead.
Oh, come on, no Russian (with balls turning around the correct axes in the skull, so to say) would believe that, about modern and best trained and falling behind.
The West thought that Ukraine would fall in days in the event of a Russian invasion.
That was sufficiently close, if you remember news and videos from the first weeks. It could have happened for all or most of the Left Bank Ukraine, if the Russian military would be just a bit less shit.
That helicopter assault on Kyiv’s suburbs was rather Hollywood worthy. Ended with wasting best assault troops for nothing, though.
I mean, returning to modern and so on, if an American believes that, then I’m not sure whether they’ve been to Mexico even, not anything in Europe, let alone Eastern Europe.
Zero surprise they’re recycling their old talking points for China instead.
Now about China they may be right. China manufactures lots of things. China has its own consumer electronics. China has everything for a bloody autarchy, though of course it would take decades more to reach that and I don’t see that being useful for them.
China is much more serious than Russia. It really (as in many times confirmed) does things in terms of modern weaponry and control systems which Russia has been doing only on paper, which has become clear now for everybody.
Anyway, it’s better to overreact, no?
And even more so the irony that the Right’s ‘Anti-Woke’ culture is just a woke culture of it’s own on the other access,
Unexpectedly agree.
but rather than standing for anything it just exist to oppose and stagnate.
And with this too. Just “standing for anything” as I see usually occurs about things that don’t shoot back, but in general yee, that seems to be a correct description of most “right” folks I’ve met.
Really “right” views (as what LOTR hobbits have in the book, for example) I usually encounter from people with chaotic-good alignment who would themselves most likely identify politically as leftists. Because the “right” is occupied by that swamp now.
