- cross-posted to:
- meanwhileongrad
- cross-posted to:
- meanwhileongrad
A few years ago, the Lemmy Developers decided to keep their political views on lemmygrad while keeping lemmy.ml more neutral. Now they are banning users who are critical of their actions and bigotry.
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Muting lemmy.ml and Hexbear has improved my lemmy experience significantly
I just saw an upvoted post on hex that I forgot to block that’s said China and NK should take over Taiwan while this whole HAMAS Israel thing is going on.
Also most of them think HAMAS and Palestine did nothing wrong by killing 300 people…they’re “fighting for their freedom”
They’re also anti Ukraine
Fuck them all
they are literally a death cult. they love hearing and seeing innocents die
Seeing some of the stuff that’s made it to the front from Hexbear about the Israel situation makes me wonder if people are going to run the risk of promotion of proscribed terrorist groups by hosing federated content from them.
Yeah same. Fuck them.
Wait, what do they think happened at Tienanmen Square then? And do they paint the wiki article about it as “fake news”?
Yes, literally. They argue it was a “mostly peaceful” student protest and a few people maybe got killed when they attacked police. They argue the scope and severity has been fabricated by the West, and that there is no evidence of a massacre.
All the usual tinfoil hat stuff you can expect from leftwing authoritarians.
Uhhh do they know that the famous tank man photo is just one photo of a series of very violent ones? They were basically power washing tank crushed corpses into gutters.
Arguments range from “tank man was peacefully moved after the photo” to “the photo was staged by the CIA.” It really is as dumb as it sounds, but insular communities have a way of amplifying and reinforcing crazy.
90% right, but hexbear isn’t actually left wing, they just use a few terms as a mask, but all of their views and positions are extremely far right.
They blame the students for the deaths and that it also never happened.
Oh wow really? You should link that!
I had to dig a bit because Dessalines deleted the comments, but I found a screenshot. It references the Xinjiang genocide, not the Tiananmen Square massacre. Other users in the same thread were getting banned for discussing the Tiananmen Square massacre, but my ban was based on my comments about the Xinjiang genocide.
He deleted the comments? Can you link to the thread? Surely some of the comments by the other users should still be up
It was many months ago and my account doesn’t show any of the comments anymore. Can you tell me how to locate the thread if my comments have been deleted? The username is in the screenshot.
Surely some of the comments by the other users should still be up
Surely if he deleted my comments, he deleted all the other critical comments too. I don’t follow your logic.
Edit: I found his comment on the thread. As you can see, my comments have been deleted. Most of the other comments on that thread being critical of Lemmy.ml and Dessalines have also been removed due to “orientalism.” This is what they call “being critical of China.”
https://sh.itjust.works/post/32859?scrollToComments=true
Found it, some more damning stuff in there about how often the lemmy devs ban shit they disagree with
I just had several comments deleted in a thread about the CCP. They left an anti-American, obvious lie and deleted my calm, factual correction. Then they deleted my comment pointing out it was deleted. They also deleted other people’s comments calmly discussing the CCP in a negative light.
FUCK Lemmy.ml
You should post that!
Which side did you argue?
Um it’s pretty obvious when we’re discussing tankies what view got him banned.
People: “Come to the fediverse, there are no fascists, everything is cool and free of toxicity.”
The fediverse: tankies, people who simps for tankies, genocidal apologists, harassment…
Sums it up seemingly well. The only upsid is that they created a platform they can not control AFAIK. So other instances can do whatever they want.
Give them time, they will eventually self-defederate.
That sounds like a good idea. Saves people the effort of blocking them.
At this point I am ready to embrace full internet solitude. The grass calls.
People have to realize where the clowns are and where they’re being greenlit and encouraged, and what you can do about it. It’s a good platform if you know how to deal with them. The internet will always be the internet but at least you don’t have to be on the same island with these folks.
I don’t think it’s worth it to most people, and I’d be embarrassed for someone to find out I use Lemmy in case they checked it out.
The authoritarian propaganda is killing Lemmy.
I actually told a friend I use Lemmy because we used to talk about Reddit together, they instantly replied with “ew”. I immediately dropped the subject, but my first and only thought was if they ever checked it out they probably saw some hexbear stuff right away and figured the whole thing was trash.
Hexbear is the worst, but it’s far from the only problem. It’s bad on here. I’ve calmly pointed out this is a biased echochamber several times and I just get downvoted.
People: “Come to the fediverse, there are no fascists, everything is cool and free of toxicity.”
There are definitely fascists on the fediverse, they don’t use the reddit-like (lemmy/kbin) part of the fediverse since exploding-heads shut down.
exploding-heads are fascists, but I wasn’t talking about them.
Hey internet, can we just not go fash or tankie for like 5 minutes? kthxbye
Either that or they’re the mouthpiece of some corpo or political party. What happened to normal online discussions?
Hows your day going?
if only
Sucks that a lot of communities are on a tankie instance. Hope that they will move.
Raise awareness
Can we avoid conflating Lemmy with individual instances like lemmy.ml?
Why?
Fork them
This seems like a very good idea
This place is a cesspool compared to Tildes.
When/where was this?
U can always trust a tankie to censor anything they don’t like at any opportunity. They are the ultimate bad faith actors.
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So…they didn’t block or ban users based on that screenshot. They blocked a fairly hostile community that exists purely to attack other lemmy users. You sign up to an instance. Not to a community inside an instance.
And key words being they blocked a community. They can’t even close that community, because the link shows it’s on sh.itjust.works, not on lemmy.ml or lemmygrad.
Plus to be fair, there’s been a few posts linked where people in that community (and the hexbear one) are just trying to get banned so they can make a post saying they were banned.
edit: Also why didn’t you just post this on meanwhileongrad? Why is it so important to you that lemmy.ml users see the threads?
To attack other Lemmy users? Both Lemmygrad and Hexbear are defederated from the majority of the fediverse. They both also require a vetting process before you post there. And hostile? Yeah, probably towards those who deny genocides and glorify violent atrocities – I think anyone would be hostile towards such hatred.
You don’t see the issue of the Developers blocking only one specific community for no reason? You don’t think that’s counter-productive towards what Lemmy.ml strives to achieve, which is diversity and varied opinions?
Can you link any of those posts of users brigading lemmygrad or hexbear? I take that quite seriously and will stomp out any who try that.
I can’t, because I block lemmygrad, hexbear, and I’m pretty sure i’ve already blocked that hexbear harassing community (or at least it doesn’t show up as often)
The people purposely antagonizing people are just toxic in a different way. I can at most tell you the last topic I saw.
It was basically someone posting a screenshot of them getting banned, and it the reasons they gave showed they said “You can’t post this, mods will ban you”. Post they were replying to was not banned. So they were basically discouraging people from talking about things the mods weren’t actually moderating.
I just feel like you can come up with plenty of reasons to hate tankies without purposely going into their communities and poking the bear.
edit: turns out it was a deleted post that was put on asklemmy. All i’m able to tell is who made that post since it just says deleted by moderator now.
You can still access these communities despite blocking them. If you’re claiming that users from anti-tankie communities are deliberately going into Hexbear and Lemmygrad (which again, is difficult considering their vetting process), please back up that claim, since that’s serious and I don’t want to be nurturing that type of behaviour. So if have any evidence of these troublesome users, please share it, even DM it if you feel the need.
It was basically someone posting a screenshot of them getting banned, and it the reasons they gave showed they said “You can’t post this, mods will ban you”. Post they were replying to was not banned. So they were basically discouraging people from talking about things the mods weren’t actually moderating.
What posts are these?
I can only get you the thread number because if I try to go to the link all the comments are scrubbed
lemmy.world/t/490214/Why-are-hexbear-mods-such-petty-little-tyrants
It was federated to kbin so I don’t really know how to look it up any better than that.
edit: I do also want to bring up one other point though
You don’t see the issue of the Developers blocking only one specific community for no reason? You don’t think that’s counter-productive towards what Lemmy.ml strives to achieve, which is diversity and varied opinions?
Isn’t this lemmy.world? I always thought lemmy.ml was more just the first instance, not the one aiming towards diversity. I’d usually recommend someone to lemmy.world if they wanted just a general server.
Your link isn’t working. Can you try a screenshot instead? I don’t recognise this post.
Oh boy an enlightened centrist, so smart you are!
Anecdotally,I just had comments deleted by lemmy.ml admins because they were critical of the CCP. They left the anti-American lie I was correcting.
The community was “meanwhileongrad”? Lemme guess, yet another community created solely to shit on another instance for being “tankie”? Yeah, I don’t mind removing such stupid communities (including this tankiejerk community). It seems like your only purpose is hatred toward other users of the fediverse. Not exactly a positive space.
MeanwhileOnGrad exists to catalogue and document hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Extremism that glorifies violence and bigotry should always be condemned.
Nor do your arguments about making the fediverse a positive space even apply when the primary sources of such virulent hatred comes from self-defederated instances which do not interact with the rest of the fediverse.
Right, no one in that community ever goes over to those instances, glorifies violence and bigotry, and then screenshots the responses for content.
And they’d never scour for years old comments and splice them together to create an implied thread of conversation.
And of course that community would never ban someone for pointing out those kinds of bad faith tactics now would it?
Right, no one in that community ever goes over to those instances, glorifies violence and bigotry, and then screenshots the responses for content.
I make sure never to take screenshots of new accounts to avoid just that. Even then, you must go through a vetting process to post on lemmygrad or hexbear, so your conspiracy doesn’t hold much water. Only spliced screenshots are removing off-topic or non-bigotted comments, I do that to make the screenshot look prettier instead of having blocks of hidden comments to get to the example comment–Likewise, I don’t screenshot negatively voted comments, which on Hexbear, isn’t even an option. If comments are asking for peace from the community, then I don’t touch that thread. Unfortunately, there are never any pacifist, non-extremist comments.
And of course that community would never ban someone for pointing out those kinds of bad faith tactics now would it?
You were banned for defending the usage of Stalin emotes, which I warned you about and your response was to respond with a bad-faith comment where you compare Stalin to fucking Luffy from One Piece.
Do you want to be unbanned? You’ll have to follow the rules though, no defending Stalin or claiming that “it’s just jokes”
Your community definitely doesn’t follow the rules you present as enforced. It does seem the community relies on defederated instances to harass because every thread in a federated instance can be looked up. It routinely doesn’t stand up to scrutiny when it’s not a tailored screenshot.
You were banned for defending the usage of Stalin emotes, which I warned you about and your response was to respond with a bad-faith comment where you compare Stalin to fucking Luffy from One Piece.
Oh is that what you think was happening?
The person your community was calling for harassment against had made a Fred Armisen reference from Parks and Recreation with an emote of Stalin pointing and a One Piece emote.
Just because you banned me doesn’t mean I can see what you did with my posts. You edit and delete what you can to create false narratives.
MoG does follow the rules. Can you link any examples of it not following these rules? Otherwise, you’re simply lying.
The person your community was calling for harassment against had made a Fred Armisen reference from Parks and Recreation with an emote of Stalin pointing and a One Piece emote.
You asked proof of Hexbear defending Stalin, I linked it, and you then disregarded it as them joking.
I did do exactly that: pointing out the examples. You then deleted and edited my posts and banned me.
You may not have realized it yet, but you run a hate community, which has no value or use to me.
If anything I would prefer you do a better job scrubbing the threads you’ve altered to remove my presence from that community. I want no association with harassing or doxxing people on Lemmy.
Your comments are still publically available, you do realise that, right? You did not list any examples, you instead defended Stalin and replied with “oh, they’re joking” to the bigotry coming out from Tankies.
Public usernames aren’t doxxing, dude.
Now do you want to be unbanned or not?
What’s the point of this cataloguing and documenting? All you’re doing is boosting bad posts and using them to paint entire communities with a broad stroke. If they’ve self-defederated, then maybe you should take that as a clue to leave them alone.
The point is to show that these instances are hateful bigots. You can’t even make the painting whole community argument when it’s federated anyway, if they weren’t all bigots, they would federate and encourage some diversity.
I trust you make the “leave them alone” argument over on their communities as well? Because I assure you that anti-tankie communities popped up in response to the harassment and hate-speech.
Instances may federate or defederate for a wide range of reasons. That they chose to defederate doesn’t automatically make them bigots. Why would I go to their communities just to get in an argument? I’m starting to think you went over there to start some shit and then you got mad because they bashed you for it. I’ve been told “just go over there and look at the horrors” only to go and not see the horrors that are claimed to be there. Cherry picking bad posts doesn’t prove anything as the vast majority of posts are not like that, and I know this because I’ve gone and checked multiple times now.
They chose to defederate because people kept dissenting against their abhorrent hate-speech.
No one is allowed in their community anyway, to post, you need to pass a vetting process.
I’ve been told “just go over there and look at the horrors” only to go and not see the horrors that are claimed to be there. Cherry picking bad posts doesn’t prove anything as the vast majority of posts are not like that, and I know this because I’ve gone and checked multiple times now.
That’s why this community and MeanwhileOnGrad exist, to highlight the extremism and bigotry. Nor is it cherry-picking when it’s posted by the admins and prominent users of the instance.
“Not creating a positive space” for genocide denialists?
Good, cry me a fucking river.
You’re painting the entire community as genocide denialists. I’ve gone there multiple times and that is not the case. Get out of here with your disingenuous bullshit. You’re doing enough crying for all of us by crying about strawmen with your dramatic delusions. Anyone can cherry pick posts and make any community look bad.
Yes yes it’s only the mods, admins, and 90% of users, not 100%, I know.
Why is there no “jerk off motion” emoji?
