I like the idea of universal healthcare. I have zero trust in the US federal government to implement it properly. I think it would be a clusterfuck and make things worse for everyone, especially with Republicans on the warpath doing everything they can to sabotage it.
I can’t really understand the tradition of never trusting the government in the US. The government is designed in a way that enables, even requires public oversight, public opinion. If that is not the case, you are not living in a democracy. Many Americans trust private initiatives, charity more than taxes and a working public system. People have no say in what corporations do. If people don’t trust the government the attitude should be towards fixing it and enabling trust, not to accept it as is. I am not judging, maybe a little bit but not really. I live in a middle eastern country. We really don’t trust the government but we keep working on steering it in the right direction. We are many times smaller than the US but we have minimum income, universal healthcare, unions are the norm, etc.
I can’t really understand the tradition of never trusting the government in the US
I used to trust them, before 9/11 when I was young and naive. Then the attack happened. We ended up with bipartisan legislation to strip our civil liberties, torture captives, spy on citizens in direct violation of the bill of rights, and invade 2 countries that had nothing to do with it. Never again.
People have no say in what corporations do
Shareholders do. They get a vote. The government is essentially a mutual fund you’re legally obligated to buy into.
If people don’t trust the government the attitude should be towards fixing it and enabling trust, not to accept it as is.
I agree. I also believe we should take care of that before we go granting them vast additional powers.
We are many times smaller than the US but we have minimum income, universal healthcare, unions are the norm, etc.
Thats a good example of why universal healthcare doesn’t need to be at the federal level here. States like New York and California are larger than many countries which have universal healthcare. What’s stopping them from passing it themselves?
But corporations hold each other accountable. They have to compete for your trust. If corporation A does something shady then it’s im their competitors interest to call them out in order to raise people’s trust in themselves. There are also countless charities and third party sites to grade them. I can choose which programs I fund. I don’t get any say in what government gets my taxes or what the government does with my taxes. What if I don’t want to fund war but want my money to go to charity to help the poor? How effective is universal healthcare where you are?
Wow, you seriously still believe that corporations compete with eachother in the healthcare sector despite the fact that most insurance companies have a “network” specifically so that they don’t have to compete with eachother? How is healthcare a competitive market that drives towards efficiency exactly? The more you privatise healthcare the lower life expectancy you get and the higher you all pay!
93% of stocks are owned by just 10% of people… They own all the companies, and are diversified… They aren’t really competing with each other in any meaningful way
Then don’t shop at those companies? Go buy produce at your local farmers market etc etc. You get to choose what you spend money on. Or you can start your own business if you feel there is a market gap. You cant start your own government.
I should go to my local farmer’s market to sign up for Internet service, or to buy a cell phone? The big industries are so heavily dominated by massive colluding corporations that “don’t shop there” is not a tenable solution.
Internet service is a valid problem and I’m with you there. But those other examples all have alternatives. Dont like apple/Samsung there are dozens of alternatives like OnePlus or RealMe. Don’t like Verizon/att go with mint or visible or ting. You have options. Don’t get discouraged.
The reason the government is garbage is because most of them are working for the corporations. If we heavily regulated the corporations and made it so they couldn’t interfere with politics, the government would be better… They’d actually be working for the people and our interests, like they’re supposed to
The problem isn’t government, it’s corporate control of the government
Privatizing things will always cost more because then you need to account for profits as well. Publicly controlled=x cost, privately controlled=x costs+profit for the rich
Even the most corrupt government employee is only getting a pay check (no profits). They make their corruption money by colluding with corporations and rich people
I agree the corporate lobbies are a problem. But giving the government more power just gives the lobbies more power too. We see that with insurance companies lobbying to make certain procedures mandatory. The solution is to take away government power. Then the corporations have no reason to lobby the government.
Publicly controlled = x costs + profit for politicians.
It’s a wash either way. Plus, when the government program runs a deficit the government has to print money to avoid debt which equals inflation and we all know how that hurts.
If we acknowledge that politicians are on the side of corporations then the logical conclusion is to take away power from politicians. Giving them more power is just more motivation for corporations to meddle in government. It’s not government vs corporations it’s government+corporations vs the people. America consistency votes to strengthen government which just takes power away from the people. The only way to fight back is to lower gov power and take back our freedom of choice.
I like the idea of universal healthcare. I have zero trust in the US federal government to implement it properly. I think it would be a clusterfuck and make things worse for everyone, especially with Republicans on the warpath doing everything they can to sabotage it.
I can’t really understand the tradition of never trusting the government in the US. The government is designed in a way that enables, even requires public oversight, public opinion. If that is not the case, you are not living in a democracy. Many Americans trust private initiatives, charity more than taxes and a working public system. People have no say in what corporations do. If people don’t trust the government the attitude should be towards fixing it and enabling trust, not to accept it as is. I am not judging, maybe a little bit but not really. I live in a middle eastern country. We really don’t trust the government but we keep working on steering it in the right direction. We are many times smaller than the US but we have minimum income, universal healthcare, unions are the norm, etc.
I used to trust them, before 9/11 when I was young and naive. Then the attack happened. We ended up with bipartisan legislation to strip our civil liberties, torture captives, spy on citizens in direct violation of the bill of rights, and invade 2 countries that had nothing to do with it. Never again.
Shareholders do. They get a vote. The government is essentially a mutual fund you’re legally obligated to buy into.
I agree. I also believe we should take care of that before we go granting them vast additional powers.
Thats a good example of why universal healthcare doesn’t need to be at the federal level here. States like New York and California are larger than many countries which have universal healthcare. What’s stopping them from passing it themselves?
completely agreed
yes but they vote to maximize profit not overall social benefit
They’re the same people that are voting in elections.
They are a very small subset of those people, and they are not a proportional representation of all types of people.
If one trusted their government, then, arguably, none of these checks would be required.
The trust in private enterprise is predicated on one’s ability and ease to opt out of such a system. The same cannot be said for the government.
But corporations hold each other accountable. They have to compete for your trust. If corporation A does something shady then it’s im their competitors interest to call them out in order to raise people’s trust in themselves. There are also countless charities and third party sites to grade them. I can choose which programs I fund. I don’t get any say in what government gets my taxes or what the government does with my taxes. What if I don’t want to fund war but want my money to go to charity to help the poor? How effective is universal healthcare where you are?
Wow, you seriously still believe that corporations compete with eachother in the healthcare sector despite the fact that most insurance companies have a “network” specifically so that they don’t have to compete with eachother? How is healthcare a competitive market that drives towards efficiency exactly? The more you privatise healthcare the lower life expectancy you get and the higher you all pay!
93% of stocks are owned by just 10% of people… They own all the companies, and are diversified… They aren’t really competing with each other in any meaningful way
Then don’t shop at those companies? Go buy produce at your local farmers market etc etc. You get to choose what you spend money on. Or you can start your own business if you feel there is a market gap. You cant start your own government.
Most people are not “free” enough under current system to shop at farmers markets haha
Less taxes would help ;)
Less taxes would mean they would be even less free to go shopping in a farmers market. No more buses, toll roads everywhere, forget about bike lanes.
I should go to my local farmer’s market to sign up for Internet service, or to buy a cell phone? The big industries are so heavily dominated by massive colluding corporations that “don’t shop there” is not a tenable solution.
Internet service is a valid problem and I’m with you there. But those other examples all have alternatives. Dont like apple/Samsung there are dozens of alternatives like OnePlus or RealMe. Don’t like Verizon/att go with mint or visible or ting. You have options. Don’t get discouraged.
The reason the government is garbage is because most of them are working for the corporations. If we heavily regulated the corporations and made it so they couldn’t interfere with politics, the government would be better… They’d actually be working for the people and our interests, like they’re supposed to
The problem isn’t government, it’s corporate control of the government
Privatizing things will always cost more because then you need to account for profits as well. Publicly controlled=x cost, privately controlled=x costs+profit for the rich
Even the most corrupt government employee is only getting a pay check (no profits). They make their corruption money by colluding with corporations and rich people
Well said.
I agree the corporate lobbies are a problem. But giving the government more power just gives the lobbies more power too. We see that with insurance companies lobbying to make certain procedures mandatory. The solution is to take away government power. Then the corporations have no reason to lobby the government.
Publicly controlled = x costs + profit for politicians.
It’s a wash either way. Plus, when the government program runs a deficit the government has to print money to avoid debt which equals inflation and we all know how that hurts.
If we acknowledge that politicians are on the side of corporations then the logical conclusion is to take away power from politicians. Giving them more power is just more motivation for corporations to meddle in government. It’s not government vs corporations it’s government+corporations vs the people. America consistency votes to strengthen government which just takes power away from the people. The only way to fight back is to lower gov power and take back our freedom of choice.
Yes, but only if there is competition. In an anti-competitive market (thus a non-capitalist system), this balance breaks.