cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439723
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439722
Palestinian Territory – Israel’s army has again massacred Palestinian civilians who had gathered in Gaza to obtain humanitarian aid, targeting them with gunfire from helicopters, tanks, and drones near the Kuwait roundabout on the outskirts of Gaza City. This incident has resulted in over 60 deaths and 160 injuries, some of which are critical.
Is there any point at which the US would allow international pressure to end this genocide? When does it become strategically disadvantageous?
No because they’re the ones sponsoring it
LOOKS LIKE THE LEMMY CENORS ARE OUT IN FULL FORCE
This is the comment that I made that got removed:
Is there any point at which the US would allow international pressure to end this genocide?
No.
When does it become strategically disadvantageous?
Always. We literally had 9/11 because of Israel and still haven’t learned our lesson.
We are literally not allowed to say 9/11 happened because of Israel, despite the mastermind behind the attack literally saying that’s why he did it AND I even provided the source!
https://lemmy.world/comment/8465732
There are some horrible mods on this team with a clear agenda. We cannot trust them.
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Hmm. How is 9/11 because isreal?
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To the American people.pdf
As for us, our Iraq was invaded in response to pressure from capitalists with greed for black gold, and you continue to support the oppressive Israelis in their occupation of our Palestine in response to pressures on your administration by a Jewish lobby backed by enormous financial capabilities.
Straight from the horse’s mouth, Osama bin Laden.
Damn son. He was very clear. I have never seen that document. He even concludes with it:
In conclusion: Be assured that we do not fight for mere killing but to stop the killing of our people. It is a sin to kill a person without proper, justifiable cause, but terminating his killer is a right. You should be aware that justice is the strongest army and security offers the best livelihood; you lost it by your own making when you supported the Israelis in occupying our land and killing our brothers in Palestine. The road to safety starts with the stopping of aggression.
I have never seen that document.
It went viral on tiktok a few years ago and they started banning anyone who shared it.
The propaganda war goes both ways, but a lot of useful idiots don’t realize that.
I think it’s sad how most people, including myself, only saw it after it went viral and not before we invaded.
Edit: It’s even sadder because my original comment highlighting how 9/11 happened because of Israel was removed.
This is what I mean by propaganda and indoctrination. There are even people on the mod team that have a vested interest in keeping the truth from people’s eyes if it’s inconvenient for Israel.
The way for change and freeing yourselves from the pressure of lobbyists is not through the Republican or the Democratic parties, but through undertaking a great revolution for freedom: not to free Iraq from Saddam Hussein but to free the White House and to free Barack Husayn so he can implement the change you seek. It does not only include improvement of your economic situation and ensure your security, but more importantly, helps him in making a rational decision to save humanity from the harmful [greenhouse] gases that threaten its destiny.
For the American youth to succeed in this change, they need to relive the history of their ancestors and the conditions in their country more than two centuries ago. They need to understand the similarities during that era and their present situation, especially in their fundamental conditions. The British Parliament sided with corporations, then against the interests
May I ask who this is a quote from? Is this also Bin Laden?
It’s from the link above I think that’s him yeah
(https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To the American people.pdf)
Right? It’s not like the people who perpetrated 9/11 actually told us exactly why they did it… Oh wait…
Eh man, I was barely born around that time. I had never seen or heard of the documents
Once the job is done.
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The current government of Iran and Hamas are both reactions caused by US meddling in the Middle East. The CIA actively led a campaign to get Iranians to turn on a democratic government -> supported Reza Shah -> which lead to the 1979 revolution which established the current government.
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So what should US do? Calmly sit down and shout: “We are bad, please kill us.”
Not build a country on land in use. If you can’t do that, at least leave them alone. Not a single West Bank city can develop anymore since it would just collide into the area near the settlements (which would lead to getting shot). At least leave them alone.
Also, what you are essentially doing is picking a specific point of time in history, dubbing a it a root cause and then you excuse the other side’s actions.
I’m not sure what you mean by this? Maybe you are confusing me with someone else?
Rome for the conflict in the middle east because if Romans hadn’t forced out jews thousands years ago, this wouldn’t have happened.
The Jews did come back already, a long time ago. Then they converted to Christianity and then to Islam: https://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/jews.html
So all Israel’s war crimes are actually Romans’ fault, so now let’s collectively blame them.
This is technically anti-Semitic. Not all Jews are the same. Some are black, some are white, some are Middle Eastern.
Israel is an example of what a country shouldn’t be like.
every country supporting israel it’s also an example of what countries shouldn’t be like
Yet if you look at the neighboring countries, it’s better in almost every way.
I say “almost” because there could be some minor ways that some neighbor surpasses them.
Except that Jordan is peaceful and in the Arabian/Gulf countries the government takes care of you instead of eradicating you…
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“Respects human rights as long as you’re the right kind of human” is hardly something to be proud of
If you don’t have human rights for a land’s native population; you are a country that infringes on human rights. It’s very simple. Plus, Palestine is a secular nation and it borders other secular nations like Lebanon (well at least the region of Palestine does). Unlike the country that believes in “old testament justice.”
Even in Jordan, which is NOT a secular country, as long as you don’t display physical affection in public (which is frowned upon on all groups) you’ll be fine. I have even heard of white gay people moving to Amman because they said the people there mind their own business (I can’t find the link to this anymore).
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Palestinians live under Israeli Occupation and 50 years of dispossession. Palestinians are denied civil rights and subject to Military Court
At the mercy of Settler Violence, Torture and Abuse in Interrogations, have No freedom of movement, and also denied Water stolen and extorted by the occupying forces.
Palestinian Labor is also heavily exploited as they have no workers rights either: Haaretz, MEE, 972, CMEC
Gaza is under control by Israel’s Blockade which is still internationally recognized as Occupation.
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Yeah, because Israel doesn’t treat the West Bank and Gaza as trash.
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Rojava is right there.
there could be some minor ways that some neighbor surpasses them.
Like, not being actively engaged in a genocide.
Massacre upon massacre.
Yet the Zionist stranglehold on our politicians continues
Fuck israel. All my homies hate israel.
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The colonial apartheid state of israel is genociding Palestinian with support from western countries.
And there are still people denying this is a genocide.
I heard a really interesting interview on NPR with Ofer Cassif, the head of an Israeli socialist party who just survived impeachment. He advocates for South Africa’s genocide ICC case. But what was more interesting to me was how he was talking about how Netanyahu is using this as an excuse to turn Israel into a dictatorship, something he already tried with his attempt to reform their supreme court.
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/13/1224635827/israeli-lawmaker-on-the-u-n-genocide-case-against-israel
Israel should be sanctioned like North Korea until they stop their genocide.
demons
Its like crocodiles in a watering hole
You people really believe this is the case? They bring the aid, wait for people to come and then kill bunch of them. Then they repeat this process weekly. You seriously think this is what’s happening? So are inhabitants of Gaza stupid or have gold-fish memory? Naah, don’t think about it bro. Israel bad mkay.
I understand the desire to believe that such a disgusting war crime isn’t actually happening - that it’s all propaganda. This kind of thing is sickening if it’s true.
But I don’t see any evidence that this isn’t exactly what’s happening, and with plenty of evidence that it is we cannot let it continue or offer any support to those who are carrying it out.
Hamas has been leading media war forever. Which is the reason why they don’t care if civilians die because that makes Israel look bad. They said this themselves number of times. We’ve had the whole fiasco with bomb on parking lot where Hamas immediately blamed Israel and gave stupid number of casualties and it took months for independent review on the matter to prove it wrong. By that time everyone jumped on the wagon about Israel bombing hospital.
There are more than one example of this sickening behavior from Hamas. They are the torturers, slaughterers and rapists. And yet majority of people here refuses to believe they might be the one causing issues like these to make Israel look bad. It is actually unbelievable to me that you’d rather believe this is a trap set by Israel with aid where the moment people approach they start shooting, and people of Gaza keep coming back. Stretching your beliefs so hard to blame one party that it borders insanity.
Burden of proof is on the one making claims. Show a video of Israelis shooting on civilians. Everyone has a phone these days and yet not a single photo. Not a single video. We have videos where Hamas is beating civilians and chasing them away from aid. We sure have that, but then people come and say “ah that’s photoshop” that’s fake. There’s NOTHING here. And yet everyone claims it’s true.
Look, I hate Hamas plenty. They are definitely bad guys. They commit terror attacks against Israeli civilians, they use Palestinian civilians as human shields. I have never rooted for them.
But the rules of warfare are quite simple. You cannot under any circumstance deliberately kill civilians. Not if the enemy killed yours first. Not if the enemy uses their own as shields. Civilians are NEVER fair game.
This kind of shit separates the good guys from the bad guys. When Hamas slaughted 1,000 Israeli civilians they showed how bad they are, but Israel slaughtering 25,000+ Palestinian women and children is literally 25x worse.
There are no good guys here, other than the civilians who aren’t choosing to participate in this conflict.
That’s the whole point. I simply can’t accept this claim civilians are so stupid that they keep coming back for aid and keep getting killed. It’s disgusting to insinuate this kind of thing. And while I do agree civilian deaths are never fair game, I can’t but wonder how many of those 25k died because they were not allowed to move or migrate. Kind of how Hamas shot at people using humanitarian corridor to move away from north. Or how they shot at people trying to leave hospitals and other buildings.
I am finding it disgusting that people are sitting and pointing fingers at Israel and others. You know what would have prevented 100% of those 25k victims, not attacking on october 7th. Or any previous occasion.
Genocide Denial is a bad look especially when it’s happening right in front of your face. People are pointing fingers at Israel because Israel is commiting genocide.
The Palestinian people aren’t stupid, they are desperate, because they are under attack by the IDF and their allies.
