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“Under the deal reached today, effective at 4:00 a.m. tomorrow, local time, the fighting across the Lebanese Israeli border will end,” Biden said in the White House Rose Garden.
“This is designed to be a permanent cessation of hostilities,” he added. “What is left of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations will not be allowed, I emphasize, will not be allowed, to threaten the security of Israel again.”
Can never tell if Biden is saying what he means to say, or his mind went on a walkabout…
But it sounds like that’s less of an equal ceasefire and more that Israel will restart if they hear anyone complain about Israel’s actions…
Like, Biden is literally threatening them, that if they threaten Israel that’s enough for a war…
And he probably legit believes this is fair and equal
The Israeli army has again threatened to imminently attack several buildings in southern Beirut, telling residents in the vicinity to flee just hours before a ceasefire is set to take effect.
8 minutes after the update about the ceasefire deal…
Gotta get one last war crime in.
“Fair and equal” for a military industrial complex that has waged war its entire existence is about as “fair and equal” as a master and their slave.
And he probably legit believes this is fair and equal
Why should it be? It’s a ceasefire deal, not splitting candy between kids. You accept or impose the conditions of the deal based on your position and capabilities on the battlefield.
Biden’s probably patting himself on the back for “bringing peace” to a conflict he helped create and make worse. Helped lose the election to a fascist too. I hope history remembers him for the complete murderous idiot he is.
Well he’s basically saying that if they break the ceasefire again, they get the hose again
Hey, look, that’s white phosphorus, it’s a war crime on the featured image! Yay normalization of barbarity UwU
Is there an image available with a higher resolution? Because you can’t really see what is being bombed in the picture. Using white phosphorous is only a war crime if it is used close to civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_munition#International_law
It’s been replaced by a picture of Joe Biden, so I dunno. That said:
- Human Rights Watch: Lebanon: Israel’s White Phosphorous Use Risks Civilian Harm
- Amnesty International: Lebanon: Evidence of Israel’s unlawful use of white phosphorus in southern Lebanon as cross-border hostilities escalate
Israel has no credibility when it comes to war crimes against civilians.
It hasn’t been replaced on my end, even with disabled caching. But yeah, this is probably a war crime. 😞 You’d think Israel would know better with their history.
From the nakba, to their initiation of the six day war and the resulting ethnic displacement of some 400k people, to their 80s invasion of Lebanon and the resulting ethnic cleansing at Sabra and Shatila, to their siege on gaza since 2008 targeting civilians by cutting off food and building materials and regular bombings, to their reaction to the peaceful march of return protests (snipers targeting the elderly, children, and the disabled), to the current ongoing well-documented genocide, what is it about the history of Israel that makes you think they should know better? They’re literally built on war crimes and atrocities.
If you’re talking about the holocaust, that’s part of the history of Jewish people, not that of Israel. And many Jewish people do criticize Israel for its war crimes, precisely because of the holocaust. Israel is not the same as the Jewish people, and conflating the two is actually kind of antisemitic.
I meant the fact that in the past decades a lot of them moved to Israel, because they fled from somewhere else.
That’s called settler colonialism
This is the image. (I use imagus or hover zoom which enlarges images all over the web upon hover)
There do appear to be civilian buildings with lights on in the image.
Combatants fight in civilian areas regularly.
Are you trying to say they’re targeting it at the combatants and therefore it is OK to use it in a civilian area?
Because the photo just above makes it pretty obvious that it isn’t a weapon that can be used in a targeted fashion.
Yes, that’s legal under international humanitarian law. Being in a civilian area does not protect combatants from being targeted.
Proportionality applies, but that’s it. That means attacking combatants in a civilian area has to serve a military objective.
Is it not “use of air-delivered incendiary weapons against military targets in civilian areas” ? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Certain_Conventional_Weapons .
Could also just be thermite
Yay normalization of barbarity!
What a relief! , Here I was thinking it was an incendiary non-discriminate weapon that could horribly maim civilians if used in a densely populated city like beirut.
Simply pointing it out because use of white phosphorus is probably a war crime under the Geneva convention but thermite isn’t. Also people in this thread are reading an awful lot into a very low rez thumbnail that doesn’t even appear in the article and for all I know has nothing to do with the israel-lebanon comflict.
Sooo…what about Gaza, Biden? What about Palestine, Biden? Eh? Eh??
GOOD NEWS IS NEVER ENOUGH! WE DEMAND EVERYTHING BE FIXED AT THE SAME TIME! RAAAAHHHH
Nothing is fixed. There are no penalties whatsoever for Israel if they break this ceasefire, and that is by design. Israel wants to pause and reload. When they are ready, they will find an excuse and start right back up. They want that land, and they are going to get it with our help.
There was a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel from 2006 until October 8th 2023. Then Hezbollah attacked Israel for a year causing tens of thousands of Israelis to flee the north, before the IDF went in to stop the attacks.
Hezbollah should not have even been in southern Lebanon according to UNSC resolution 1701.
Was Israel really attacked In October 2023? This is the first I heard of it. So weird for something like that to just happen out of the clear blue sky to such wonderful people who definitely didn’t provoke it or anything.
Sure there’s a history behind everything. This escalations started on October 7th 2023. It remains the day with the most violent deaths in one day for all of the wars involving Israel.
I’m sorry (not really) but decades of watching Israel unnecessarily provoke Palestine with apartheid dominance and unjustified illegal land grabs, I’m fucking done with “both sides”. The prejudices might be symmetrical, but only Israel had the power to alter the dynamics, and they chose the path to violence.
How do you think Israel should have have reacted to October 7th 2023?
What about Sudan Biden? What about mexico biden? What about DRC biden? What about Myanmar Biden? Eh eh eh ??!!
Is this really how your mind operates?
Are you really denying Biden clear complicity with Israel crimes?
I’m questioning the first comment’s rethoric.
He is asking Biden to at least advocate for imposing pressure on Israelis if it can’t do it
That’s a surprising, to me, interpretation of that comment. Can you please point out to me where the comment argued for diplomacy?
Just use your deductive reasoning
Sure. Line-by-line we venture:
Sooo…what about Gaza, Biden?
No indication of argueing for diplomacy
What about Palestine, Biden?
Idem
Eh?
Idem
Eh??
Idem
In conclusion: to the best of my abilities, I fail to see how this comment argues for diplomacy.
“He is asking Biden to at least advocate for imposing pressure on Israelis if it can’t do it”, so far as I can see, that tought is not present in that comment.
I’m sure if Hamas agreed to retreat 20 miles from the border they’d get the same deal
I am sure if Israel didn’t decide to invade the West bank and Gaza in 67 they would live in peace
I’m not sure if you’re joking, but if you’re not, you might want to read a little about the war you’re referencing.
Israel invaded those territories because Jordan and Egypt were using them to launch a surprise attack.
“Live in peace” is a bit subjective in your example lol
Gaza is only 25 miles long and, at it’s widest, 7.5 miles thick. It’s literally impossible to move 20 miles from the border.
Uh… So Israel can settle it? No fucking thanks. And in the first place Gaza is only 25 miles long.
I’m sorry I have to explain this. In the case of Hezbollah, they’re agreeing to retreat to a distance from the border from where they can’t (significantly) attack Israel again. The poster I’m replying to questions why Israel can’t (be forced to) make a similar deal with Hamas. I’m using sarcasm to point to an important reason why
20 miles from the border is in the Sea… Which shows again how anything short of total annihilation of anyone question Israel supremacy seems insufficient for Israel and its supporters.
Then how about disarmament within 20 miles?
So you’re suggesting ethnic cleansing. You don’t have to say it because that’s the only possible consequence of your suggestion. Absolutely disgusting.
Is membership of Hamas or Hezbollah an ethnicity for you?
lol@everyone ACKCHYUALLY’ing this comment.
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Hi pot, meet kettle.
Oh, this is how your mind works.
I admit I did not believe both sides would agree when I read this was close yesterday.
Well you were basically right. The ceasefire lasted less than a day.
Hooray?
Got a source for this? Last I saw the ceasefire seems to still be holding, if tenuously
I dont want to talk about the political aspects because I am not well informed, but does anyone know what the thumbnail photo is of? It looks almost other-worldly. I’m assuming it is a weapon of some sort?
It’s white phosphorus if I’m not wrong. Used for ‘spotting targets’ aka committing war crimes.
I… remember that level.
Fucking hell I forgot about spec ops
oh, fuck
It’s supposed to be used as a smokescreen, but it burns very hot so it’s occasionally used as a weapon in war crimes.
Could also just be thermite which has a similar burning metal look
I understand that Lebanon has to look out for themselves and recover from the horrific terrorist pager attacks and civilian apartment building bombings of Israel, but this isn’t good for Gaza. Now Israel is free to complete their genocide without opposition =( Everyone needs to participate in BDS. We need to pressure Israel in other ways now.
Hezbollah is not lebanon. Fuck them.
The pager attack killed children and Lebanese civilians, i guess fuck them too.
This is classic clanoizier mentality. “We will take your land, kill everyone ignoring any rules of war, that we set for the world, and you cannot fight back, and if you do you are a terrorist.”
Please just talk to any Lebanon citizen, they will explain you better than me how wrong you are. Its a terrorist sect, not the resistance.
The pager attack was a terrorism act. That doesnt mean hezbollah members are not pieces of shit too
Ask all the Syrian and Lebanese children killed by Hezbollah how they’re doing.
Good people don’t make excuses to kill children
A decision to instantly save money, save economies, save lives and people’s blood, save the climate, and start talking like humans instead of luanching metals into each other. I hate wars and the people who profit from destruction of the planet and mass bloodsheding of civilians. Israel’s war crimes fully sponsored, supported and funded by the US have shown their true image oppressing and genociding whom they illegally colonize.
Their hypocrasy made putin look good taking over Ukraine, and legitimized China’s intent to take over Taiwan by so many levels. You don’t have the right to defend injustice and what you colonize from others wether your name was Israel, Russia, or China. and everyone is sick of hearing about those Western values then seeing them on display as ethnic cleansing and genocide against oppressed stateless people in a ethnostate aparthied.How much of Lebanese land is Isreal occupying now?
The short answer is about the same as yesterday.
The ceasefire defines a 60 day window for them to gradually withdraw (at an agreed rate), while Hezbollah moves away to the north and the Lebanese military move into the south.
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What is in this thumbnail picture? I can’t see it in the article.
I sort of recall that these hezbowlers and their friends eeeseeess pieces removed the thinking part from one of our comrades in the media. It’s been a weird sort of war. Accordingly Israel has actually murdered thousands of children, women and other innocent people including members of the media. The war was started by an attack from the loosing party. Israel shot and killed a woman Journalist named Shirin Abu Akhala may 2022 this before the war really started. Maybe she knew something the rest of us didn’t about the incoming war? Now the entire country has been erased apparently with a small portion of the population remaining. So now is the right time to stop? 😞🛑. I mean sure it should stop. But like we all thought it was time to stop right after it began and the reports started coming in about innocent people being murdered. Then came images of total destruction and murder by drone like remote extermination. Anyway, Trump is an idiot, so if a smart person didn’t stop the war, maybe a total retard can?
Open diplomacy at least in this case is temporarily stopping death. This is something to be celebrated! Good on Biden for doing this. Why cant Biden do the same for Ukraine?
“And over the next 60 days, Israel will gradually withdraw its remaining forces.”
Guess who’s not willing to withdraw their forces back to their own territory.
“we are already in our own territory, why should we withdraw”
Hizbollah?
I don’t think they have a choice specially if we cut funding for Israel. We are forcing them to stop we should be doing the same with Ukraine and Russia. Peace is attainable for sure! Also they are only withdrawing from Lebanon what about Gaza?
Who is cutting funding for Israel? And if if that was a factor in the recent ceasefire (which I’m not aware off) … how does that apply to Ukraine? We already cut all “funding” to Russia and sanction them.
What about gaza? They didn’t withdraw like you are saying.
I didn’t say that?
The ceasefire deal is with Hezbollah (which is in Lebanon) and not with Hamas (which is in Gaza). That is what the article you are currently commenting on, is about.
Yea you did.
I was quoting the article that is talking about the withdrawl from Lebanon. Lebanon is not Gaza. Nobody in this comment chain was talking about Gaza until you just now.
So the clusterfuck Hezbollah - Lebanese government will continue.
They were never going to eradicate them entirely. But their weight in Lebanon has certainly been reduced. Even more if they break the ceasefire again
Their approval among there base of shias has only gone up since the conflict started, there approval among non shias has remained constant. Your assuming that Lebanese view the situation as western media portrays it with hezbollah as terrorists and the ones to blame for the destruction but:
Seventy-eight percent of Lebanese respondents said Israel’s onslaught of Gaza was a “terrorist act”, while only 11 percent viewed Hezbollah’s attacks on northern Israel as “terrorism”.
This jump in approval among there base is despite them being in government and a horrific economic situation in Lebanon, that’s how much the shia in south Lebanon hate israel and its genocide in Gaza.
Sorry, but that information is from 6+ months ago. Most of the general population and especially the non-shias did not feel the real fallout from Hezbollah attacking Israel until September.
The survey, conducted between February and April 2024
Again your assuming that the Lebanese blame hezbollah for that fallout, and not the ones actually causing it. This is a classic imperial tactic of framing the ones fighting the system as troublemakers and blaming all the destruction the empire does in the name of repression on them. The Viet cong are the reason for us napalming children, if they weren’t here we wouldn’t have to do that. This can work on people sympathetic to the imperial project, but people who are less sympathetic think the empire is the trouble maker and the cause for the destruction, so anyone fighting them must be good.
Think, if trump went full dictator, and then antifa blew up an ICEstapo building and then trump started bombing Portland in retaliation, would you think this is all antifas fault like fox News would be pushing. Or would you think antifas a bit extreme but trump is a tyrant who is killing way more people who i am sympathetic to.
The sympathy for Israel among Lebanese and especially among shia is near 0, so if they’re looking for someone to blame it’s gonna be them.
Wow that’s a lot of analogies wrapped in there
Say you and your Trump-lubbin buddies are riding your lifted truck and you see a trans kid walking on the side of the road. One of your friends can’t jumps off and punches them out, just because they couldn’t control their need to physically fight the gay agenda any longer. You’re still cheering him on when a van full of Antifa dudes pulls up and they beat the perpetrator, your buddies and yourself to a pulp. And I mean really, really pulpy. Also they bomb your truck
Sure, your hatred for Antifa and the Gay Agenda might have grown even stronger by this altercation. But would you still think your buddy attacking that kid was a smart idea? Would you follow him when he goes after the next one?
Probably, this is how tribalism and war work. People will almost always side with there in group even if they are the obvious aggressor. Any attack on your in group, even in retaliation, will tend to reinforce bonds and further entrench you rather then make you “wake up” and leave the group or turn against the agitators. You want revenge and you aren’t going to turn against the one guy who’s shown he’s willing to help you get that revenge.
