Kinda dumb question but I figured it fits the sub lol

so these boxes are at my work and they’re a syrupy hyper sweet mixture that when combined with carbonated water make soda and it got me thinking:

why don’t they sell ones for like Monster energy?

is it because of the costs, or kids accessing it, or some law?

  • w3dd1e@lemm.ee
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    5 hours ago

    A regional gas station near me has their brand of energy drinks in soda dispensers like this one.

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    Bars usually have redbull dispensers around here. But as others have mentioned, caffeine in bulk can do damage. I once went to a gas station and they had energy drinks on tap. I’m had a 48oz energy drink with energy shots. I TALKED WITH CAPS LOCK ON FOR 4 DAYS NON-STOP.

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      It’s usually sold as red bull, I.e. Someone orders a vodka red bull and they will give them vodka and that, but it’s some off brand shit in the guns, and they still charge like it’s a red bull. Pro tip, don’t order that shit if it comes out of a gun.

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    The inevitable howling from Karens when their children get ahold of a 64 ounce Big Gulp of the stuff notwithstanding, the main issue is that fountain availability would pull back the curtain on the supposed value of energy drinks. These are no more expensive than Coke or Pepsi or Sprite for their bottlers to produce, but they’ve successfully bamboozled the public into believing that a Monster or a Red Bull or whatever is “worth” 4-6x more per ounce than a normal soda. This is obviously bullshit, but if you were able to dispense it at the same rate and the same price as normal soda the jig would be up and the energy store brands would have an absolute cow.

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      they’ve successfully bamboozled the public into believing that a Monster or a Red Bull or whatever is “worth” 4-6x more per ounce than a normal soda

      Christ is this actually true? I’ve never had them…

      God people are stupid

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    Costs. These types of machines are generally free refills. You take a 32oz coke, and say actual cost to the store for you getting that coke is about 15 cents. You paid $2.30. Most people get 1 refill. But even if you get multiple, they still make profit.

    I don’t know wholesale costs of monster, but I know a 20oz bottle in stores here costs about $2. While a 24oz can of monster costs about $9.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if a 32oz fountain of monster cost the store like $0.70 wholesale. So there’s no way they could make profit if people got multiple refills.

    Plus, if you try to sell the monster at a higher cost than coke, what would stop someone from dumping the coke, and refilling with monster? Paying the lower innitial price, and now getting refills.

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      That’s because monster overcharges, caffiene powder is cheap and you could add it to soda for cheap

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        If you can get ahold of it, yes, very cheap. The problem is that a little goes a very long way, so it’s not so easy to get a hold of anymore, at least in the US.

        It was probably 10 years ago that I discovered that I could buy a 500g bag of pure caffeine powder for about $20, plus a milligram scale for another $20. I was drinking quite a bit of sugar free Red Bull at the time, and had been ordering them by the case ($50ish?) to save a little money, so it was a no brainer for me to switch to caffeine powder. Break even point was maybe 2 weeks worth of caffeinated beverages.

        The bad news is a few people OD’d on caffeine powder around that time (completely unrelated to me), so it was pretty much banned. The good news is that 500g is a fucking shit load of caffeine. I often get my caffeine from more traditional sources now (coffee, tea), so that bag may end up lasting me the rest of my life.

        For some additional context, a 250mL (8.4 oz) can of Red Bull contains 80mg caffeine, while a 1/16 teaspoon (~0.3mL) scoop of pure caffeine powder is about 200mg. That works out to less than 0.5¢ ($0.005) of caffeine per Red Bull, and I’m not even getting wholesale pricing.

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      WTF? Monster costs $9? That’s insane.

      But you’re right it’s cost. I had a Soda Stream and I had the red bull syrup for it so the ability is there and the materials exist.

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      Plus, if you try to sell the monster at a higher cost than coke, what would stop someone from dumping the coke, and refilling with monster? Paying the lower innitial price, and now getting refills.

      People have been doing that for years with buying water, and then filling it with fountain drinks.

      I suppose you could counter it the same way that some stores handled the soda refill issue. Have the energy drink refills behind the counter, where only employees can refill it. Have a special cup so employees can tell which customers actually bought an energy drink. Also gives employees a chance to intervene if someone tries to get too much and kill themselves (like with the Panera Bread lemonade/

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    There’s no technical reason why you couldn’t. It’s probably just some stupid marketing reason like:

    • A. Monster doesn’t want to sell its concentrate this way.
    • B. They do, but not at a price that would justify including it as an option among other common self serve beverages.
    • C. Stores don’t want to offer unlimited access to dangerously high levels of caffeine after a Panera customer with a pre-existing heart condition drank about a gallon of caffeinated lemonade and then dropped dead in the dining room.
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    In addition to what everyone else is saying, a really good reason not to have energy drinks on a soda fountain, aside from the fact that the energy drink soda would cost far more than a regular soda, is that energy drinks contain a lot of caffeine and if they were on dispenser some idiot would go and fill up a 64 Oz energy drink and drink the equivalent to 5 to 8 Red bulls in a single sitting.

    No gas station wants to deal with the legal ramifications of “exploding people’s hearts because they are too stupid to understand that these things can be deadly”, because if people are dumb enough to chug Red Bull until they die they are also dumb enough to sue because of the deaths.

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      I still maintain that someone with that level of caffeine sensitivity should have either:

      1 - Read the fucking sign that said it was caffeinated, or

      2 - Not drank a mystery liquid in lieu of signage

      “but why would you think lemonade would be caffeinated?” People with severe food allergies don’t just shove random food in their mouths, why would this person?

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    There at least used to be, and I got royally screwed by it.

    The employee hooked the wrong “orange” syrup up to the dispenser, and what I thought was 32oz of Orange Crush (caffeine free) was 32oz of some Orange energy drink. Needless to say, I was up all night and ended up having to call off work the next day because I was so exhausted and useless (I’m very sensitive to caffeine).

    Probably also less common due to liability. Panera got into hot water with their highly caffeinated lemonade.