Any librarian worth their salt would find a secret way to get that kid his book
Just buy a tesla and a smartphone. Those are the spy machines described in the book. The difference is that the 1984 government had to hide that stuff in your house and now, people even pay for them.
Honestly don’t do anything you wouldn’t want a fascism regime knowing about on any PC running Windows or MacOS or any smart phone.
On that note, what Linux distro are best for privacy?
Admittedly I’m not keeping up on this, so maybe outdated but it used to be Tails.
Kali took Tails’ place a few years back, I think.
Kali was more for pen testing, hacking. Tails was a live disc that defaulted to tor and other privacy focused use.
Depends on your opsec scope and use case. It also depends on the software you are running ontop like your browser or other services that probably have even more data on you.
He looks so sad about not getting the book lmao
Is 1984 banned? That was mandatory reading…
As others have told you, yes. And the worst part is the justification is usually because Winston and Julia have sex. And it’s not titillating. Orwell was not exactly writing erotica.
It and Fahrenheit 451 are, ironically, among some of the most banned books in the US.
Footloose amusingly enough as well.
Is it because the title track has the line “kick off your Sunday shoes?”
Presumably because it’s about a real thing that made them scared in the 1800s and they’re scared they’ll be scared of being scared.
yes they are literally banned at most schools in my state. Along with books that have LGBT charicters in them
Yes, and I’m glad that it is.
record skip, everyone stares at HawlSera awkwardly, guns are cocked and pointed at her
Because when you tell a people that a piece of media is too evil and vile to ever be looked at, that only makes them wanna read it more. I guruan-fucking-tee more people have read 1984 now that they’re not allowed to!
Points for self awareness, and for Streisand effect.
Literally 1984
It’s never about the kids
Killing small animals? So like Barron Trump is alleged to have done:
Holy shit, how was this not bigger news? I like to think I keep up with things but this is the first time I have read any of this.
Trump was nearly 60 when he had him. Barron could have genetically predisposed mental health issues.
Barron could have genetically predisposed mental health issues because he’s a Trump. Look at the rest of them.
how old is he now? Is it finally ok to set upon little Baron?
This, I find it weird that I keep getting people saying “YOU CAN’T MOCK BARRON HE’S JUST A CHILD!”
He was a child 8 years ago, people age.
(I will admit, even I forget this from time to time… Like when I saw Ant MAn 3 and was like “Wait, why’s the cute little girl who basically sold these movies by being best character now a generic angsty teen… oh… right… live action, the actress aged… and there’s been a time skip… and a tonal shift… right”
Was born March 20th, 2006. He’ll be 19 in a couple months.
On Elon Musk’s X, animal abuse is the safe content.
This kinda hits different when you replace cats with cows.
If you’re killing the cow in the same way the people in those videos kill cats, then it doesn’t hit much different at all.
There’s definitely a line here, but I suspect that we disagree on where that line is.
If you think cows are killed in anything but abject horror, I’d recommend you at the very least watch Dominion, which was linked above.
I’m not trying to cause offence, but is there an ethical way to eat animals, or does it become unethical as soon as we have the means and ability to not do so?
It seams like for a lot of people, thier traditions and culture outweigh thier personal ethical benefits and thats the biggest problem that has to be overcome. Some places do not allow for growing sufficient and complete protein to feed the population, for example Egypt or Bangladesh. It seems that the cultures might be harder to overcome in these places.
I was thinking maybe insects as a protein source would be a positive step for these locations. But thats obviously hard to overcome culturally. What do vegans think of eating insects?
It’s unlikely that insects (or any animals for that matter) are a better use of the land, because ultimately animals need to eat plants, too, and they use up a good chunk of the energy themselves.
Occasionally, you can grow grass where proper crops won’t and animals can graze there, but to my knowledge, this isn’t particularly relevant in practice, because farmers will typically feed more nutrious food to minimize the time until the animals can be slaughtered.
You talk about complete protein, by which I assume you mean the amino acid distribution, but I find it hard to believe that the inefficient land use of animals is offset by them converting some of the amino acids to be better suitable for us.
Because ultimately, if you manage to grow more lentils and whatnot, you can totally just eat more lentils to reach your 100% of each amino acid.
Wealthy cultures eat significantly more protein than is actually needed, for example.Insects can be fed on food scraps.
Veganism seeks to exclude animal exploitation and cruelty as far as is possible and practicable.
For a Western audience, where one would have access to a well stocked supermarket, that would generally mean a complete boycott, but it does ultimately come down to the individual to decide what is and isn’t practicable. If you have nessary medication that contains animal products, or is tested on animals, for example, I don’t think you’d find anyone expecting you to give that up.
As for insects, they’re within the kingdom of Animalia, so yes, veganism applies to them too. That said, you can’t go through life without ever stepping on an ant, and I don’t know anyone who’d place the exact same value on an fly and a cow. One has a vastly more sophisticated brain and nervous system. That said, I generally don’t try to play “utilitarian calculus”.
Ultimately it’s a “do your best” situation.
at least the cat stretched its legs once or twice whereas the cows were stuck in torturous positions their entire miserable life, steeped in their own shit on the verge of suffocation due to crowding. its all fucked
Or replace cats with billionaires.
Fat cats
obligatory https://watchdominion.org/
Nsfl
Thanks for the warning. Not clicking that and ruining my day.
You know the book is old enough to be in the public domain nowadays, and you can legally download a copy of it using the same device they use for watching those videos, right?
The proper reaction to finding out that librarians are legally barred from lending certain classic novels to children is not, “oh that’s okay, they can just download it.” Especially when we’re literally talking about a book dealing with suppressing speech.
On the contrary, I’d say that’s an instructive example demonstrating why the book continues to be relevant over 75 years after its release.
Also, if anything, banning it would likely only serve to increase interest in it since the best way to get a rebellious teenager to do anything is to tell them they aren’t allowed to do it.
It’s only instructive if the kids you think should download books that they can’t get at the library are taking your advice to do so. And I doubt they’re on Lemmy.
Furthermore, as the husband of a librarian who is (if she is still in Indiana when they pass the bill they intend to pass) at risk of imprisonment if she allows children to have access to books on a ban list, I have to tell you that this is about more than just kids having access to a specific book.
I get where you’re coming from, but that isn’t the point
Do the kids know that?
There are several links to free, legal copies at the bottom of the book’s Wikipedia page.
Also, if you type “1984” into YouTube, the first result is this full audiobook recording. It’s really not difficult to find.
If you’re dedicated you can find anything. That’s not the point though.
I understand, but my point is that it really doesn’t take any more effort or dedication than going to the library does. In fact, it’s certainly no more difficult than looking up videos of animal cruelty (at least I don’t exactly just see them being suggested to me randomly).
Animal cruelty maybe not, but I know a few friends who get randomly shown car crashed and combat recordings and the like. I agree with your sentiment for the most part, but I think the real point is that books that should be required reading for young minds are being banned, while the majority of young people are on sites that will show you all kinds of crazy shit to keep you scrolling
Where is this book banned for children for being a bad influence?
Most recently in Florida. It’s been banned often in the United States, it’s also been banned in Vietnam
Just look for red states/cities in the US. More than likely its been banned there.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I also didn’t know this book was banned, and was going to ask something similar.
One would assume that Kurt Vonnegut would have some awareness about books
I mean, 1984 isn’t really age appropriate for children anyway. Not from the authoritarianism, but sexual and violent content and themes.
What age are you talking about? I read it for the first time when I was 13 or so. These library censorship laws do not differentiate between 6 and 13. They just make it so that everyone under 18 can’t access it.
see, this is what is being pointed out in the meme. Children are exposed to violence and sexuality every single day. Just because children shouldn’t be committing violence or having sex doesn’t mean they can’t read about it or know about it. Also how fucking ridiculous is it that we place violence and sex in the same sentence w similar weight.
Ignoring the 1984 element for now, this has interested me for a long time.
In the US if a movie contains nudity then its age classification is going to be high, the same as if it contained murder, torture, or other violent actions.
In Germany, anecdotally, nudity is rated as appropriate for a much younger audience than violence.
It makes a lot of sense to me, but I understand why it would take forever to adjust from “puritanical” values to something more open as an entire nation, for example.
I feel like I’m more inclined to go with the FSK rating than the US equivalents, or the UK ones, but that’s my viewpoint, complete with all my bias.
Have you read 1984? I have, and in my opinion it is inappropriate for children.
I also feel videos showing people killing cats are inappropriate for children, and I think most people agree on that.
The meme is pointing out the incongruity there. But it’s being taken as if people are allowing the cat killing videos therefore we should allow 1984 for children. And also implying the problem with 1984 is about political influence or such like. Rather, the problem (wrt children) is the way it handles adult themes, and also we should be protecting children from the cat killing videos also.
In what way is the novel inappropriate?
I read it in middle school and it was one of my favorite books for years after. The topics are not too adult for school. We should obviously protect children, but prudishness and politics should not dictate school libraries
