Back reads “Delve into the CTZN experience, where A.I. unites with the artistry of traditional winemaking. Luminous drift captures this perfect fusion, a wine expertly crafted by A.I. algorithms and refined by a vintner’s touch to invigorate your palate with its bright, fresh, and lifted elegance”
…Discuss
I was at IKEA for …my wife dragged me there after Christmas to checkout furniture. Let me explain… If one day you buy a house, they sell it without all the things you like… Couches, beds, etc. You use your body to touch and feel those things at a thing store. GenX might never need to know, RIP IKEA. Anyway, at the exit, they had this really cheap Christmas themed wine. I don’t known what the heck they mixed dog shit with but, the taste was like if you went to an old library with people smoking and you licked the handrails and book covers. I state the taste as “stately”. It tastes like an old government office chair seat on a wet leaky roof Friday night.
If AI will be producing tastes, I hope IKEA doesn’t (o please please don’t) offer any recipes or samples. In fact we should probably bring our own food to IKEA the next time we go. Possibly just a bottle of chili could be enough for a better tasting meal…just grab some cardboard, add the chilli and microwave it. The world doesn’t need to remember that taste.
For your attention, thanks! I’m no hero, millions of people tasted it and became victims. All I’m asking if that you don’t let it happen to you.
Was it reminiscent of wet cardboard? It aounds like you got a bottle with TCA cork taint. It makes the wine smell and taste like cork.
It was $2.50 at the time
Like I said…it tastes like statehood…old tuffy library chairs and oxidized metal handrails.
My friend, comrade, brother, sister, fellow primate: you are a poet of sensory disaster and I sincerely applaud you.
I just finished dinner and I felt the need to go wash my mouth with brown Listerine.
I HAVE A GREAT IDEA BRO, LETS MAKE AI WINE BRO. YOU WRITE THE ALGORITHMS TO TELL AI TO MAKE THE BEST WINE POSSIBLE AND I WILL FIND INVESTORS BRO
I’d do it. And make ChatGPT write the algorithms too.
Because if there’s one thing we know about algorithms, it’s that they have an amazing sense of taste…
While I agree that algorithms and taste are not compatible (yet), there is undeniably a benefit in using some in certain processes of wine making:
There are machines that can control wine oxygen saturation way better than a person, making the wine oxidation much more controlled.
There are so many processes other than that in which you can exploit algorithms to make better wine, and many of them are not aimed at removing the person from the job but rather to making their work easier.
I worked for a company that made these machines and I can assure you that wineries where these machines were installed made a better wine.
Edit: typos, remember to proofread.
You are describing tools and automated processes predefined by humans, not AI.
Indeed. I replied to a message talking about algorithms.
everything on the computer is ai nowadays. algorithms are ai. drivers are ai. sensors are ai.
AI is just a tool
You really should have quotes around “better”. The more you manipulate the wine the less stableit us in the longer term and frequently “controlling oxygen levels” means you have a muted wine.
source: 30 years in sales at some of the best wine stores and importers in the USA.
I am no expert in wine but several proccesses are usually controlled one way or another. I know wine makers need to control oxygen levels (they call it “oxygenate” the wine or something like that; please be aware I’m not english native so I’m translating the terms from my language to english) so doing it with the precision that gives a computer will lead to more controlled wine making, leading to wines that are closer to what the wine maker wants.
Same with the sugar levels in the wine, you usually control them one way or another, doing it with a machine, again, leads to more accurate levels.
Then, if you have a sparkling wine, CO2 levels should be checked too. Again, doing it more accurately, allows the wine maker to create wines in a more controlled way
Are they better? Well, the wineries I worked for think they are. Again, I’m no expert, but if someone making wine for 20 years tells me that their wines are better with those systems, I tend to believe them.
Oxygenating incorrectly, as many in CA do, makes wones collapse with time. That’s best left for reds that need to soften tannins that take too long to come around (think malbec based Cahors which used to take 10-15 years to drink).
AI isn’t the sane as the tech you are talking about and it is worthnoting many of the more celebrated wines use less of this stuff. Overuse of tech makes wines that are kind of a mess.
You can do that with a fucking Arduino and 50 lines of code. It doesn’t need AI.
I know. I never talked about AI, but about algorithms, that in my case were human made.
For sure, that makes sense. This company just seems to be conflating quite a bit. Is it AI? No. Are they using a Large Language Model? Kind of. It seems like they put a whole bunch of chemical, soil, and market/tastes metrics into a GPT model, and ran it to fine-tune their process. So, sure, that’s cool, but this all just seems like a silly gimmick. I’d be shocked if this wine was anything special, but then again I’m incredibly suspicious of anyone who slaps an AI label on their product, so who knows.
There are machines tha, can control wine oxygen saturation way better, than a person, making the wine oxidation much more controlled.
this comma usage makes me feel like I’m having a stroke.
Sorry, typing on a phone and not proofreading does that, correcting it.
The QR code offering a virtual tasting blows my mind. Do they send you an airplane bottle? Do they describe the wine as someone else drinks it? Do you have to jack in?
It’s just to get investor money in the coffers, nothing more. Still won’t buy anything that markets itself like that because I think it’s cynical, but they’re just lying to investors so it’s not the end of the world 🤷♂️ gotta cram those buzzwords!!! Cloud wine! This wine was made on the Blockchain! Check out our unique Web3 Wine - Wine3! NFTea! Scam industry lol
Im surprised Gary Vee isn’t involved
True; that freaky little crypto goblin has his fingers in every scam pie. I’ve heard he smells weird.
I know him IRL. He does not have any stink to him. He’s ok but you need barriers and a clear out to any event you attend with him.
Think I’ll still just buy the cheap stuff that tastes good.
Portugal is a great nation for it.
Funnily enough, port is my wine of choice.
I mean I brew beer, and I’ve used AI to help with a few recipes because having to search through brewgr and the mirad of different recipes is time consuming, when ultimately to brew a beer has the same overarching ingredients and process.
Though I wouldn’t solely rely on it and to advertise that using AI just feels like a gimmick.
currated
If spelling check AND the graphic you’re posting have an idea for correction, you should consider it.
I don’t think something with no sense of taste (or a sense of anything really) would be too good with making things where the taste is the whole point…
It’s like how in Futurama, Bender wants to be a cook really bad but ends up making really shitty ‘food’, because he has a vague idea of what food is and what goes in it, but doesn’t really know how to actually cook.
Literally deadly neurotoxin, except people voluntarily ingest it, even pay for it. GLaDOS has some thinking to do.
CTZN
Cyberpunk cich. So hot right now.
What is a “cich?”
Something that’s a fad.
Oh chic I gotcha
imagine being the graphic designer who had to work on this bottle without cringing
(scribbles on pad) “Shark . . . . jumped . . . on Tuuuueeesday . . . Febur. . wait, FebROO . . arry . . . shit . . ‘Feb’ . . fourth . . . twenty . . . twenty five.”
I mean, it’s probably about as good as a human curated experience. Especially if the curated list is by a human with no taste.
