• Lucidlethargy
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    6 hours ago

    Of you ask me, this man is the reason for all of this. Bernie would have won reelection yesterday. Nearly anyone would have.

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      It wasn’t just this man, it was the entire Democratic Party. Remember well that in the four years leading up to the election, while the Republican party was playing 6-D chess trying to figure out every possible avenue they could use to sieze power, the Dems decided their best chance at defeating Trump was running Sleepy Joe Biden.

      • 𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆@lemmy.world
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        They did Bernie fucking dirty in 2016.

        Then Biden knew he could run on name recognition alone and trounce Bernie in 2020. He knew people were pining for the Obama days and played off that nostalgia.

        Fuck Hillary Clinton, fuck Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Kamala Harris is okay, fuck Joe Biden, and fuck the DNC. There’s no reason they shouldn’t run a progressive candidate, but it’s clear they’re allergic to winning elections.

        Also, did anyone seem to notice that “weird” dropped out of campaign messaging in the last couple months following the nom? Can’t help but think the DNC was behind that. Calling them weird was their kryptonite, even if Kamala Harris essentially said, “I’d do nothing different from Joe.”

        Joe Biden was a perfectly okay president. He was pretty invisible for the most part. He was a boring president. But he didn’t bring the FIRE Bernie had in 2016 and 2020. He ran at a time when he KNEW he would win because Bernie was too far to the left for the DNC to be comfortable, and for that, I consider him a coward.

        We didn’t deserve a President Sanders, but holy shit did we ever NEED him. And yes, I am coping pretty hard right now.

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          Everyone says they did Bernie dirty in 2016, but no one ever brings up how in 2020, the establishment dems all dropped out of the race in exchange for cabinet positions to rally around the elder statesman Biden—when Bernie was winning the primaries.

          That, in my opinion, is far dirtier and a much bigger “fuck you” to leftists/progressives/humanists than 2016.

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      6 hours ago

      Well, ideally Bernie would have won reelection in 2020 so he wouldn’t have been able to run this time.

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      Is that why Biden had 14 million more votes?

      You lot (Americans) are fucking racist and hate women. Numbers back it up.

      Now we in the civilised world will have shitshow on news for years to come.

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        There is overwhelming evidence that black and Latino voters helped carry this election for Trump, and that there largest concerns were economic ones that Harris was ignoring.

        You can scream about racism or sexism all you want, it’s not going to change facts.

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          News Flash

          Black and Latino people can be racist and sexist, too. Even against their own races and genders.

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          You’re 100% wrong. Kamala got stupid high number from the black voters and underperformed with Hispanics but she still got 53% of the Hispanic vote.

          Off the top of my head she got like 92% from black women and 78% from black men.

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          Actually no there isn’t. Black voters voted in majority for kamala. Even Latinos voted majority for kamala. She lost some percentage points with those groups, but by far and away white men and women voted for Trump, not for kamalcanif your only recourse in each election year is to hope you get enough black and brown voters to win you the eldtion, then maybe don’t alienate all those voters and tell them their concerns don’t matter for a year before the election.

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          That just means they’re racist too. All he needed to do was paint immigrants and refugees as boogeyman so even minorities look down on them. Anything goes, as long as leopards don’t eat my face!

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            Or, instead of just continually repeating easily disputable strawman arguments, you could try listening to the issues these people are saying affect them? Overwhelming, the reason these groups voted for Trump is because Kamala was not offering them economic change, and Trump is. It doesn’t matter that he’s lying, they’re just desperate. If you just don’t want to believe them, maybe check your own biases first.

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              I disagree. There’s a level where you cannot claim blind ignorance. As the saying goes, fool me once…

              They’re not incapable of thinking. They might be less educated if you really wanna go down that road (because many would jump to that excuse next) and it still doesn’t excuse this.

              They will be on the chopping block very quickly and will cry about it. At that stage? They deserve what’s coming to them. If what you say is true, which I disagree, they voted due to greed, but they had benefit of 2016, you don’t get to claim “they were desperate” solely because Harris didn’t give them perfect solution on silver platter and focused solely on them.

              There simply is no excuse and immigrants can be more racist than locals, being one myself, I hate my own “kin” speaking their own language being protected from no one else understanding them. The usual left bullshit, purity tests being the be all and end all has fucked the US yet again.

              People will die because of this, be it from starvation, cold, being deported whatever and they will have themselves to blame. I feel sorry for those that saw through it and voted… But 14 million less votes vs 2020? No excuse.

              This is very emotional time, sugar coating doesn’t help anyone.

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                solely because Harris didn’t give them perfect solutions

                Let’s be very clear about this, Harris gave them no solutions. Harris said “I will support the existing status quo, the economy is great, there are no problems.” Try and remember that these are people who are actively struggling and desperate for anyone who will tell them things will improve, and Harris openly told these people that things are fine and do not need to improve. Are you really surprised that they do not listen to her?

                Blithely shutting down dissent and ignoring people is what got us into this mess. Maybe instead of making a bunch of people into scapegoats, there could just be an acknowledgement that the Harris campaign fucked up a ton and failed.

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      Anyone under the age of 60 … and as a person of colour, I hate to say it but … a white male

      Elect a bunch of socially minded white male leaders for a few terms and then you can move on to a progressive modern leader like a woman of colour

      We haven’t jumped into the future yet … everyone still acts like deranged cavemen so don’t hope for dramatic changes to happen like eliminating racism to take place in the space of a hundred years.

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        I think you might really mean just a return to “normal”, which would be a white man. I’m white and I couldn’t care less what race color or gender our leaders are.

        But I sure as shit do want it back to being “boring”. The constant clown show is embarrassing and exhausting.