• PikaEnglish
      24·
      3 个月前

      We call them a Deadman’s cable up here, and sadly they’re still quite frequently used in the northern rural areas because it costs almost $2,000 to have a dedicated bypass switch installed(generator hookup) so nobody does it, they just throw the Main and hope they don’t put too much stress on the internal lines.

      Is it legal? Hell no but they do it anyway

      • Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca
        17·
        3 个月前

        I did this.
        Is it stupid? Yes. Did it work? Also yes. For the amount of time that we’d have power out, it was just way to easy to throw a breaker and connect it like this just to keep a small heater and a light running. If I had the money at the time I would have loved battery backup/ bypass but this cost $2 and an old cord.

        • PikaEnglish
          5·
          3 个月前

          Especially considering that having a functional stove nowadays skyrockets your insurance. A lot of people used to use wood stoves as the backup heat source if the power went out, we still have one ourselves however it’s “non-functional” , it probably is to be honest it hasn’t been ran for a few years now but it was going to Skyrocket the insurance if we had it listed as a functional Appliance

        • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
          3·
          3 个月前

          There are way cheaper ways to have a safe interconnect then those second box systems. There are kits that install a plate next to the main breaker and prevent both the main breaker and the next closest breaker from both being on at the same time. You then setup the second breaker to be your generator inlet. Here’s a DIY version, but there are kits for all major brands.

  • anonymous111@lemmy.world
    671·
    3 个月前

    I thought this was an anti homosexuality meme until I read the top comment.

    I’ve got to stop using Lemmy. It is changing me…

  • merari42@lemmy.world
    59·
    3 个月前

    I heard there was a secret cord.
    you plug it in to meet the lord.
    But you don’t really care for safety, do ya?
    It goes like this, you plug it in,
    And in a flash, the lights go dim,
    The power’s gone,
    and now it’s running through ya.

      • thr0w4w4y2
        47·
        3 个月前

        You get a qualified tradesperson to wire it properly into your electrical distribution.

      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
        31·
        3 个月前

        Technical details and the social contract mandate that your generator is never connected to the main power grid. The generator should be wired to an enclosed AC transfer switch. This switch will connect either the generator or the main grid to your home, but never both.

        Some detail: If the generator is wired to the main grid it can prevent restoration of main grid power. While an AC transfer switch will perform the task, many jurisdictions mandate additional safety precautions (which can be quite expensive).

        • deranger
          23·
          3 个月前

          It can also kill a lineman working on the power lines outside your house, thinking they’re not energized.

          • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
            11·
            3 个月前

            It could. But, there’s more layers to this swiss cheese model of safety. For example, the lineman’s procedure is to ground out, then isolate, then test. They’d need to skip both ground out and test to be electrocuted by an asshole with a generator.

            • deranger
              7·
              3 个月前

              Of course, but we should never be advocating for the elimination of Swiss cheese slices. Don’t use the suicide plug, get it wired up correctly with isolation.

      • PikaEnglish
        22·
        3 个月前

        The proper way of doing it is using what’s called a generator bypass switch, basically it’s a physical switch that runs before your fuse box, and it makes it impossible to have both the main and the generator being fed at the same time, so you can either have the main on or you could have the generator on. This prevents the electricity from your generator back feeding into the line and killing a line worker trying to restore power.

        Sadly, like the other comments have said people tend to use these male to male cables in order to not have to pay the $2,000 to install the switch and instead choose to just turn the main breaker off and plug that cable in. But since it’s possible to have both the main and the generator on it’s not legal because if you forgot to throw the Main or if you did it incorrectly you could be putting workers at risk

        Even disregarding the safety risk of using such a cable, not having a dedicated switch installed also means that you’re plugging your generator into usually an outside socket of the house, and those power lines aren’t usually meant to have a high load so you risk creating a fire from over straining the line as well

        • Szyler@lemmy.world
          3·
          3 个月前

          “risk a fire from staying the line with a high load”, wouldn’t the fuse in the line you plug it into simply open if you over load it?

          • SuDmit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            3 个月前

            Well, if you put them right in the normal outlet you bypass breaker and built in fuses, if breaker is open. If it is closed, then it maybe should pop if whole net outside house consumes more current than your house is allowed to (so maybe immediately), but still provides no protection inside. Or maybe if you have individual low-current rated breakers for every outlet, then yes, in this specific scenario it should technically work. Still, you know, generally bad idea.

      • Revan343@lemmy.ca
        10·
        3 个月前

        For the actual physical connection, you use a male receptacle

        In order to do it legally, you also need the transfer switch, as has been mentioned.

      • frank@sopuli.xyz
        9·
        3 个月前

        The real way is a generator inlet, which is a male plug that’s interlocked with the main. So the cord ends up being a normal male/female cord

    • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      7·
      3 个月前

      Modern inverters do this somewhat safely by sensing the phase before outputting power.

      Of course, you can’t tell just by looking, so I still would steer clear of the whole thing on principle.

    • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      891·
      3 个月前

      Strand of exterior lights, one end male plug one female. Idiots start to mount the lights with the female end near their outlet. Get done, become confused, go to store for male to male cord to plug into female end.

      The female end is for chaining multiple strands, not for supplying power (directly) from the power socket.

      • tyler@programming.dev
        64·
        3 个月前

        The power can go through the female end just fine, that’s not the problem. The problem is people plug this “suicide cable” into the wall first, thus creating a 120v taser of sorts. Like someone else in this thread said, the only problem from cables like that is people tend to try to backfeed energy into the system with a generator or solar panels. Boom.

        • fraksken@infosec.pub
          42·
          3 个月前

          Also, at the end of the chain there is a male terminal exposed with live current. Could cause a fire I guess.

        • RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          51·
          3 个月前

          So is the problem solved by not plugging it into a powered wall plug? Just like… flick the switch off, like you would a light switch before changing a bulb?

          • Captain AggravatedEnglish
            7·
            3 个月前

            Most American outlets aren’t switched. They can be but most aren’t. If you’re really paranoid you can throw the breaker at the panel.

            • RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              2·
              3 个月前

              Wait really? I don’t think I have a single unswitched plug in my house, and I’ve never seen another house with even a single unswitched plug. Do US people need to unplug cords to get rid of standby lights?

              • Captain AggravatedEnglish
                3·
                3 个月前

                Behold the typical North American duplex power outlet. They typically do not have a built in switch. They might be controlled by a light switch, so you can throw a switch near the door and have the floor lamps turn on but most are always hot.

          • bjorney@lemmy.ca
            6·
            3 个月前

            Yes, but if someone trips over the cord there is a 50% chance the wrong side comes unplugged and potentially kills them, hence why they don’t make these cords

        • BakerBagel@midwest.social
          72·
          3 个月前

          You cam cover them with electric tape or put a cover on them. It’s nobmore dangerous than your home’s exterior outlets though.

          • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
            11·
            3 个月前

            Homes exterior outlets??? It might be europe but we dont have neither of those seemingly pretty dangerous things.

            • BakerBagel@midwest.social
              2·
              3 个月前

              I’m going to assume you are English, since they seem to have extreme fear of electric shocks. But there is never any issue with exterior outlets. 99% of them have covers like this and are no nore dangerous that light switches on a patio or in your bathroom.

              • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
                1·
                3 个月前

                The places where i lived for longer times are hungary, sweden and ireland. Ireland has the same plug as the uk, and in hungary and sweden its the general eu plug. While the plug you linked does seem mostly safe, i think its a good thing that the uk takes electrical safety seriously. My main problem with the female plug is its a christmas tree that can catch on fire and i dont think an exposed wire near it is a good idea. If the cover is required in some way to complete the circuit then i have no problem with it. Thats good design but the sad thing is most of times they skip the good design part.

                • BakerBagel@midwest.social
                  1·
                  3 个月前

                  Thr cover doesn’t complete the circuit, it just prevents debris getting into the socket. An extension cord doesn’t have a cover on the female end and it is completely safe, just like an outlet in a bathroom or a surge protector.

        • starelfsc2
          5·
          3 个月前

          Every Christmas light string I have seen has had a small fuse inside of the plug, so even if you managed to get a female plug full of water or something and somehow manage to get shocked before a breaker trips in the outlet, you’re probably just going to blow the fuse.

          • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
            2·
            3 个月前

            Every Christmas light I’ve ever seen were all low voltage. The last Christmas light that was directly into main power instead of having a power convertor plug was decades ago. I guess that’s EU regulations at work.

    • Captain AggravatedEnglish
      37·
      3 个月前

      A strand of christmas lights resembles an extension cord, but they tend to be made of smaller gauge wire and obviously have little sockets for tiny light bulbs spaced along them. They typically have 2-prong male plug on one end, often with a 2-prong female pass through on the back so you could plug more than one strand into the same receptacle, and they usually end in a female plug so they can be daisy chained.

      Sometimes, when installing them on a house or something, the person installing them may not pay attention to which direction is which, and end up installing them so that the female-only end is near where they intended to plug them in. So instead of pulling them down, or running a long extension cord, they go to the hardware store looking for a male-to-male plug adapter.

      Power plugs and sockets are gendered for a very good reason; the female receptacle keeps the energized contacts protected inside, and the male plug’s contacts should only be energized when plugged in and their outer shells protect them. A male-to-male cable when one end is plugged in and the other is free now has exposed mains current just waving around in the open air ready to kill someone. And, on a smaller note with christmas lights, they usually have a fuse built into the plug, and plugging them in backwards bypasses this for at least the first strand, so it’s technically 102.7% unsafe to do this.

      The other thing a male-to-male adapter or cable is sometimes used for is to attach a portable generator to your home’s electrical system by just plugging it into an outlet, especially during a power failure. They do make what are essentially special male receptacles I think mainly for the RV industry for attaching generators like that, most houses won’t have these. Plugging it into a normal wall socket will actually work, but 1. you have bypassed the breaker panel, so the breakers no longer provide over-current protection. You could overheat the wires in the walls and burn down the house. 2. there’s a possibility that you’re feeding electricity to the entire house through the breaker box and even out to the transformer, which means the lines could be energized for linemen working on them. Throwing the main breaker might prevent that? They make switching gear designed for buildings with their own backup generators that can either manually or automatically sever their connection to the grid when on internal power, but again a doofus trying to make one of these cables probably doesn’t have one of those.

    • youRFate@feddit.org
      21·
      3 个月前

      Their lights usually have a plug on one end and a socket on the other. Ppl put them around the exterior of their hoses, then realise they did it the wrong way, and the socket end is near the outlet they wanted to plug them in.

      Or they mounted two strands of lights, and where they meet up it’s either 2 plugs or two sockets accidentally.

    • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      3 个月前

      My dumbass made one by accident. Plugged it in, walked to the other end, picked it up my saw, “Shit. How did I throw the wrong end out here?” Whatever, we’ve all strung the extension cord backwards before. Here come the IQ test.

      Walked to the other end of the cord, yanked it and threw that end back out into yard, plugged it in. Went back to my saw, “Oh for fuck’s sake!”

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    261·
    3 个月前

    as someone who has strung a ton of lights the wrong way around on more than one occasion… I can understand the desire for some magic solution that doesnt require undoing and redoing your work…

    but fuck, You don’t mess around with electricity.

    People also make these stupid suicide cables to plug generators into houses during disasters, often backfeeding power into the lines that may be down and can cause serious injury to workers trying to restore power.

      • RegalPotoo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        91·
        3 个月前

        You can, but if forgetting to flip a switch can result in death, then you need a stronger safety control

        • Lizardking27@lemmy.world
          21·
          3 个月前

          Someone incompetent enough to forget to shut off the main shouldn’t be operating a generator anyway.

          • RegalPotoo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            3 个月前

            That’s not the point. Normal, sensible people make mistakes because they are tired or stressed or got distracted or just plain unlucky, so things have to be designed so that people can make a mistake and it not instantly create a potentially lethal situation

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
            21·
            3 个月前

            Someone who’s not competent enough to install a proper transfer switch (or at least hire a professional to do it) shouldn’t be operating a generator.

      • brianorca@lemmy.world
        5·
        3 个月前

        If someone can’t make the own cord, what’s the chance they know how vital it is to flip the breaker?

    • RegalPotoo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      3 个月前

      Yeah, there is a reason why proper installations require actual transfer switches or at least a manual interlock to prevent both feeds being connected at the same time. I’m also not sure what would happen if your generator was out of phase with the grid when it reenergised, but I’m sure it wouldn’t be good

      • A7thStone@lemmy.world
        6·
        3 个月前

        If your generator was connected to mains when they came back on it would probably just kill your generator. It is the least robust device in the chain. The next step is blowing up the transformer on the pole which is a spectacular light show. It is also very expensive, and will piss off your entire neighborhood who were just about to get power back and now have to wait for the power company to fix the transformer you blew up by being a dumb ass. Finally it is possible that you would trip out the switch yard which is going to make even more people angry. The biggest risk is you putting power back on the lines that people are working on. That transformer on the pole works both directions. It drops the usual 13.8kV on your local power lines to the 240/120V in your house. It will also turn the 120/240 from your generator into 13.8 on the lines that are being worked on. 13.8 will kill you before you even know you touched it. That is why line workers go through multiple tests before they get near lines they are working on. They will notice there is power on lines that are supposed to be dead. They will find where that power is coming from. They will fine you lots of money. There may be criminal charges.

  • MehBlah@lemmy.world
    24·
    3 个月前

    I’ve used a suicide cord before in some rare instances. When I was finished I immediately took it apart.

  • rugburn@lemmynsfw.com
    19·
    3 个月前

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-4mvK2FW78

    Plugging the cord in the same outlet isn’t dangerous itself, but the prongs will be live on the end that’s not plugged in, I’d suggest not touching them. Where it IS dangerous is when people try to use them with a generator to back feed their panel. Don’t do that.

  • Davidchan@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    18·
    3 个月前

    On the one hand, there are legitimate uses for double ended male cords. On the other, absolutely none of those legit uses invovle christmas lights

      • The Stoned Hacker@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 个月前

        generator hookup shouldn’t be one of those, as shouldn’t proper generator transfer switches have plugs designed so you don’t need a suicide cable?

        • zzx@lemmy.world
          1·
          3 个月前

          Yeah for sure, they do make generator sockets, which are a fully shrouded male plug meant to be used with a generator transfer switch.

          But still, people do hook up generators this way sometimes. Regardless def not many good uses for a suicide cable