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Realistically how likely is secession? Pretty unlikely, right? What’s the process like?
Pretty unlikely, right?
Very. The last time, warfare was far less asymmetric than it is now. Millions of people would need to be well past the point of “dying for their values and ideals” before that would get traction politically.
What’s the process like?
There literally isn’t one, or at least, not an official one; we’re not the EU. One spot on a map says “no” and the bigger spot on the map around it says “LOL… oh wait you’re serious?” Then they fight.
Also, the optics are very different for a state like California or any other economic powerhouse in the union. These places make up a huge chunk of the country’s GDP, so losing them would cost a massive chunk of the tax base. Plus, that would reduce the overall coastline of the remainder. Combined these outcomes are strategically “very bad”, further motivating the use of force to counter it.
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The fact you did nothing either way makes you complicit in the worst act
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Finding out is universal, fucking around is optional.
My only British friend is apolitical (and a bit of a dumbass, if I’m being honest). What’s brexit like for your average Brit? I can’t imagine having the right to just move (almost) anywhere in Europe and getting that ripped away from me, but I’ll admit, I don’t really know any of the other repercussions of leaving the EU.
I can’t imagine giving that up. As an American I once wanted us to join the shengen as one of my long term political pipe dreams.
Yeah, back in my more politically hopeful/naive days, I dreamt of it, too. :(
It totally ruined a lot of people’s lives. They had plans to go work somewhere in Europe maybe even live there. Now they can’t do that.
The whole point of the European Union was it was supposed to be a bit like the United States without having to actually form a single nation. All of the countries would effectively act like States in one nation - they even setup Interpol to act like state troopers. Imagine if you suddenly couldn’t move between states. Utterly stupid outcome, and 100% predicted.
Just like any government the EU council did do some brain dead things, but that wasn’t a good reason to leave.
Imagine if you suddenly couldn’t move between states.
This has already become reality for all the women I know that are pregnant or trying to become pregnant.
As an American, please don’t give anyone ideas. I really don’t want to need refugee status to go out west.
Fellow American, given the cost of living, I feel like I’d need refugee status to get out of the
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Economic disaster mainly
You don’t have to be the one fucking around as long as there are others fucking around you.
I kinda want to fuck around, just not like this. Not like this!
Yep
Unfortunately the world often does the fucking around part for you, and you’re stuck finding out with them. Sincerely a Remainer being forced to find out on Brexit.
Me too thanks
Opt out of as much of their levers of power as you can. Deny them your eyes and your money. Use your eyes to look around you and see where you can push counter propaganda in your local community. Use your money to help the people you are in community with. The christo-fascists use money to “help” the homeless with soup kitchens that force people to renounce what they know to be true before being served. Mutual aid is not just about harm reduction, it’s about freeing minds. Serving someone food is an act of liberation. It’s an act of a true and powerful love that’s been written about by theorists and philosophers for millennia. It’s even at the core of who Jesus was at his core, it’s just the christo-fascists misinterpret which group of people in revelations they are
So I like where you’re going with this, and it’s the kind of thing that’s been bubbling in my brain for a bit now, but question: I’ve been to a few soup kitchens in different areas of my own country. Never once have I witnessed or heard of anyone having to renounce anything to get served. You show up, you get fed - there’s Jesus freaks in the wings who may use the opportunity to try and convert you, sure, but if you walk away from them it doesn’t mean they take your plate.
Do you have any specific examples you can point to where this isn’t the case? If nothing else, helps name and shame.
look for elca run soup kitchens, as well as anything run by a local community action center. avoid the salvation army and anything run by any church you already know to be trouble. if you do go, spread counter propaganda to their misinterpretations of the bible: come prepared
amen
