Love that blahaj is still supporting the anti-trans troll. Very wholesome of them to reduce an entire class of people to attack helicopters
Blahaj has literally gone from “attack helicopter jokes are transphobic” to “not taking attack helicopter jokes seriously is transphobic”. This is a genuinely distressing turn of events from one of the largest trans-friendly spaces on the internet.
the troll was banned long before OP was get your facts straight
I’ve never looked, but blahj feels like one of those Reddit communities where you can go and post in good faith but still get banned for some esoteric reason that only makes sense to the moderators and the 4 people who’ve made it their life’s work to eliminate the behavior from all of society.
Like, I read a post from a guy who got banned for having the temerity to suggest that, perhaps, harassing literal children who were streaming Harry Potter on Twitch wasn’t helping trans people and people should instead do something like donate to the Trevor Project. Reason for ban: transphobia
At some point you just have to recognize that some moderators are acting in bad faith and playing petty high school social games using moderator powers.
Oh no! You got banned from toxic echo chambers! Whatever will you do?
It isn’t that surprising to me that you received an instance ban for breaking an instance rule, even if it happened somewhere else. Users in blahaj can still see your activity, even if it’s not taking place in their instance, and a rule that’s meant to protect instance users like that one needs to apply everywhere that instance might be active. I don’t think this is mod abuse at all.
I can’t advocate enough that people have multiple user accounts for this purpose, though. The fediverse is so diverse, with so much variation in mod standards, that everyone will eventually experience this. Not as a way to evade a ban, but just as an acknowledgement that different communities don’t play well with some other communities you might be a part of. That, on top of the fact that it’s just good opsec to rotate user accounts anyway.
I don’t think anyone is going to change your mind about the specific opinion that earned you the ban, though. You seem pretty locked-in.
Instance banning isn’t going to stop him from posting it elsewhere and blahaj users from seeing it elsewhere. It’s a performative gesture that does absolutely nothing in context.
Instance banning isn’t going to stop him from posting it elsewhere and blahaj users from seeing it elsewhere.
No, but it will stop them from seeing it from that particular user in every instance, which is better than them still seeing that user air their grievance about it.
It’s less performative than just about any other act of moderation on lemmy.
If that’s actually how it works I’m going to get myself instance banned from the tankie triad immediately.
I’m sure they’d be happy to oblige
I thought draconic was better than that tbh.
e: also I think instance banning people for things said off instance is a shit thing to do. Your rules don’t apply elsehwhere. Stay in your lane, ada.
If you watched a guy with an AK walking down the street and entering your neighbors’ houses one by one, some bullet noises, then walking to the next house, I bet you would shoot him before he enters your property, if you had the opportunity.
Try staying in your lane in that situation. It’s just being proactive.
Now I don’t have any context on this guy past the title of the post, or what they mean by “repeated” gatekeeping, but just given the title of the post, them having the opinion that saying “dragonfucker is not a gender” is gatekeeping is laughable. So I’m hoping something else was going on for my own sanity, because this is sad.
That is quite an extreme example for something so mundane in reality.
I had to debate upoting lol
It was just the first example I thought of to make the point.
No actual humans were hurt in the making of this metaphor. _
Just got banned myself. 🤷
Welcome to the club.
The Dragon saga is likely the dumbest fedi drama I’ve witnessed in the last two years I’ve been a resident here. If one major goal is fighting the stigma of mental illness within the community, this ain’t it.
The… what?
There is a minority of the Trans community that can best be summarized by the observation that “calling everyone they/them as a rule” is unacceptable to this subsection. You must be utterly inclusive to everyone, without hesitation and unquestioningly - first it was someone demanding to be called a goddess, then someone insisting they identified as a dragon. To the uninformed outsider (me), they sound exactly like that one theater kid every school had, but it’s just as likely that they’re just a troll taking the piss out of the inclusivity of the community, which is almost funnier.
I think most people can agree if you don’t wanna be your birth assigned gender, sure! Go for it. But I’m not playing along with someone’s sexual fantasy, I’m just gonna use they/them. .blahaj admins feel differently, and that’s their prerogative - 196 already fractured from that subsection over this issue.
196 fractured due to the mods trying to force close the blahaj comm in favor of .world. Calling that because of drag is… An interesting take when even the mods themselves (who did all this in the shittiest of ways) said it wasn’t the issue, and even referenced other shitty takes of theirs as examples.
They fractured in the first place because the mods had issues with the admin of the instance, so they decided to move to a different instance. It fractured further because the mods didn’t say shit to the users, they just moved, which, rightfully, pissed a lot of people off.
Yeah, and chose the worst possible instance to go to, to boot.
Oh, c’mon, there are worse ones out there.
.world is the most aggressively mid of the instances. It’s gruel. It’s tasteless, it’s lumpy and uneven, and sometimes you feel like the cook didn’t know what the fuck they were doing when you find a husk in your spoonful. And, considering the nature of gruel, the cook very likely didn’t know what the fuck they were doing.
But it’s not poison and it’s not dogshit, and there’s a lot of it to go around.
But yeah, the whole move was a catastrophe.
Oh, c’mon, there are worse ones out there.
I mean sure, but those are kind of obviously terrible choices. But .world is the bottom of bottom rungs for lgbtqia friendliness and protections, especially considering past behavior of admins and their ever changing terms, including the “teach the controversy” crap that got pulled to get re-worded.
Of all the possible choices that aren’t an instance thats just chock full of Nazis and defederated from just about anything else, yeah, .world is a pretty shit choice.
The user you are talking about was banned. So you are wrong about the “utterly inclusive” thing.
196 split because the original mods made the decision to move to the most hated instance, .world, without consulting the community. So you are wrong about the troll in question causing this.
I thought we already settled this on r/TumblrInAction… wait, what year is this, 2015?
I would avoid bringing up tumblrinaction with how they turned into a cesspool of genuine horrific transphobia.
I kind of remember similar drama around someone who considered herself a goddess. I’m not going to lie, I thought Drag might have been the same person because of how strongly everyone reacted to both of those users
Repeated gatekeeping
lo-fuckin-l the hypocrisy.
I’m so sorry that happened to you.
I mean, I haven’t posted in any of those comms in months. It’s no big loss. But it also demonstrates that stopping my participation on those comms was the right choice to begin with, I think - the instance admins are at odds with what I regard to be basic facts (“Dragons aren’t real”, “Human beings are human beings”).
Not enough that I’m trans-positive, NB-positive, and genderfluid-positive. One must be Dragon-positive.
Not enough that I’m trans-positive, NB-positive, and genderfluid-positive. One must be Dragon-positive.
It seems crazy to me how you can be casually labelled “transphobic” and instance banned for having a perfectly rational discussion about neopronouns on another instance, even though you have consistently not misgendered anyone, including Drag. I guess the “pre-crime” thought police are on the case. It’s not enough that one follows their instance rules, no questioning or discussion of the rules will be tolerated either. Oh well, it’s their loss.
The admin summon was one of the more bizarre parts.
Yeah I agree with you on that count too.
Sometimes I will very pettily ping someone I had a previous disagreement with, if something reminds me of them, or what we argued about. Is that weird?
I don’t think that that’s weird (for arguments it is a bit petty, but I also understand the urge to be petty - ‘It’ll never happen’, huh? READ IT AND WEEP), but calling an admin from another instance and requesting to ban someone who doesn’t go to your instance at all is.
It’s like being the weird guy who calls the cops to report everything their neighbor does.
And in this case, the cops made an arrest because the pile of leaves in the yard were in the shape of a pentagram (displaying intent to Unlawfully Summon, no doubt).
Question, if someone pinged an admin to ban someone for being something dbzer0 doesn’t want/like, would that be a step too far?
You want me to ban Kerfuffled?
Kerfuffled™
No, just asking as they are my admin.
Why does this feel like a gotcha?
It would be bizarre on the part of the pinger, at the very least.
Fair
It’s important to consider that misgendering isn’t the only kind of hurt trans people can experience online. Ada explicitly created LBZ to be a comfortable space for all trans people, and part of that includes addressing the agony that is logging in to see yours and other’s validity questioned at every turn.
I agree, Pug is not a transphobe. I think Ada agrees with me too. That’s why the modlog doesn’t show “transphobe,” it says “gatekeeping.” I agree that the users calling Pug a transphobe are taking it too far. Pug is simply a bad ally that refuses to admit trans people might know how they want to be treated and the kind of space they want to exist in.
I guess I don’t understand the correlation between being transgendered, and wanting to cosplay a totally different and fantastical species?
That’s totally okay! You don’t need to understand. :) The admins are simply asking users not to “take it to the streets,” so to speak, as it can make the whole instance feel more uncomfortable and toxic. They encouraged us to report and block users who were causing issues, which we did, so those users are now banned. This way, we avoided creating unnecessary discourse and potential honeypots for bigotry, which is really the main idea here.
The admins are simply asking users not to “take it to the streets,” so to speak, as it can make the whole instance feel more uncomfortable and toxic.
Or anyone else’s streets, apparently.
Preemptive bans are preemptive bans. Not the first time or server where this has happened, not the last. 👍
“Not understanding” doesnt mean “dont respect them” though.
I don’t get it either, but it costs me absolutely nothing to use a neopronoun or anything else.
If you dont understand, you could either try to understand, or just use someone’s neopronouns and move on. Or not reply at all.
That wasn’t my question though. Why are they getting lumped together?
It was more of “being a dick for no reason” than a question, and I’m not an expert.
That said, I’d say because their physical body doesn’t match how they feel on the inside. Which is definitely something trans folks experience.
They are getting lumped together because that’s the context of what OP did. OP has received mod action twice, both times for making directed commentary on the validity of another person’s gender (aka disrespecting).
But yeah, I think curbstickle misread your intent–you are both in the right here there’s just some miscommunication, Hopefully this clarifies. :)
“Not understanding” doesnt mean “dont respect them” though.
I don’t get it either, but it costs me absolutely nothing to use a neopronoun or anything else.
If you dont understand, you could either try to understand, or just use someone’s neopronouns and move on. Or not reply at all.
Okay, but as I noted, I used Drag’s pronouns. I don’t remember ever using the wrong pronouns for Drag, though I’m sure a ‘they’ or the like slipped in in some deeply buried comment.
The issue becomes whether gender has any limits for what it means. I objected to both the fantastic and the species. For that reason, on another instance, in a discussion that did not involve Drag or Blahaj admins, I was banned from a bunch of comms that I hadn’t even commented in in months.
Okay, but as I noted, I used Drag’s pronouns.
I wasn’t talking about you, I was referring to calling neopronouns “cosplaying”. Its intentionally disrespectful.
I agree, Pug is not a transphobe.
Yes, you just think I want to “do gender-based harassment” of trans folk.
What does transphobia mean, again?
Insanity. And then the one person who’s a little less insane, gets bombarded by the insane asylum.
Hopefully this is your wake up call.
