Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) celebrated following the death of Pope Francis on Monday. "Today there were major shifts in global leaderships," Greene wrote on X just hours after the pontiff died. "Evil is being defeated by the hand of God." Greene's remarks came after Rep. Nancy Mace's (R...
    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      543·
      6 天前

      fun fact… killing jesus was always god’s plan. god set adam and eve up in the garden specifically so he could LARP as a Nice Guy™. In fact, not killing jesus would have condemned humanity to eternal suffering, and therefore would have been sin. Not that anyone had a choice, because it’s all part of god’s plan, right, and god’s plan always comes to fruition.

      If you believe in that sort of thing.

        • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          6 天前

          The Abrahamic god is literally a war god. It evolved from El and Yahweh, members of the pantheon of the polytheistic Canaanite religion. El is the father of all gods and Yahweh is a weather and war god. So yeah no wonder that the Abrahamic god does crazy evil shit. Like killing all first born sons.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          6 天前

          Fortunately; if god is real he got bored with this particular video game and moved onto some thing more exciting.

          • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
            5·
            6 天前

            Yep, we’re living in God’s ant farm and he’s a bored toddler. And one day he’ll show up with a magnifying glass and have a laugh.

        • braxEnglish
          6·
          6 天前

          Doesn’t the Bible go on and on about how the devil is the great deceiver? Seems accurate considering how many people think God was the good guy.

        • KlearEnglish
          2·
          6 天前

          He could be just really, really stupid.

        • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          6 天前

          My belief is that, if there ever was a god, he looked at the world he created and died of Christian pity.

        • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          172·
          6 天前

          you say that now but when the (checks current feelings are still, oh good) flames of (checks notebook on latest revisions, hahah stupid assholes) HELL are kissing your feet while a succubus sits on your face and… ok brb this is fuckin hot…

    • Delphia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      6 天前

      “Never forget in the story of Jesus, the hero was killed by the state” - Killer Mike.

        • flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          5·
          5 天前

          It’s well known that since he came back from the dead but he didn’t decay or lose intelligence or anything, that Jesus was a lich.

          • StinkyFingerItchyBum@lemmy.caEnglish
            21·
            5 天前

            Liches decay usually to skeletal levels.

            But it’s a good point.

            I asked Cohere (Canadian LLM/AI) what fits best:

            The mythical creature that best matches the description of Jesus, who dies and returns to life while retaining his intelligence and physical form, is often associated with the concept of a “Resurrected Divine Being” rather than a specific mythical creature from folklore. However, if we look for parallels in mythology, the closest analogy might be:

            The Phoenix

            The Phoenix is a mythical bird that cyclically regenerates or is reborn. It dies in a burst of flames and then rises again, renewed and youthful, from its ashes. This symbolizes rebirth, immortality, and the triumph over death. While the Phoenix is not a direct theological match, its theme of death and resurrection aligns with the core aspect of Jesus’ story.

            Other Considerations

            1. Osiris (Egyptian Mythology): Osiris, the god of the afterlife, was murdered by Set, dismembered, and later resurrected by Isis. He becomes the lord of the underworld and a symbol of rebirth and eternal life. This parallels the idea of dying and rising again, though Osiris remains in a divine, otherworldly state.

            2. Attis (Phrygian Mythology): Attis was a vegetation god who dies and is reborn annually, symbolizing the cycle of life and death. His resurrection is tied to the renewal of nature.

            3. Dionysus (Greek Mythology): Dionysus, the god of wine and fertility, was dismembered and then reborn, symbolizing rebirth and transformation. His resurrection is often tied to themes of renewal and divine power.

            Conclusion

            While none of these mythical creatures perfectly align with the theological specifics of Jesus (who is considered divine in Christianity and whose resurrection is central to Christian doctrine), the Phoenix is the closest in terms of the symbolic theme of death and rebirth. Jesus, however, transcends these mythical parallels as a figure of religious faith, not just a mythological archetype. His resurrection is presented as a unique, divine event rather than a cyclical or mythical phenomenon.

  • Steve@communick.newsEnglish
    104·
    6 天前

    Should we tell her there’ll be another Pope, or is it funnier to let her keep believing?

    • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.caEnglish
      103·
      6 天前

      She was likely against the somewhat liberal views of Pope Francis, like how Christians should be kind to gay people and refugees.

      • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
        12·
        6 天前

        Even the pope is just a church organ. I meant, his “policy” if you will was more than just his own. It’s doubtful that Vance’s visit (I will run with the idea*) will bring forth a more conservative pope.

        * “Rep. Nancy Mace (…) bizarrely insisted that a visit by U.S. Vice President JD Vance did not lead to the pope’s death.”

        • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          6 天前

          It’s highly likely the next pope will be conservative. There are different factions within the Vatican (and the church as a whole) and they get turns putting their guy in the big chair.

          • flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            2·
            5 天前

            Francis appointed a majority of the voting cardinals. This isn’t a democracy, where people have groups that lobby in any meaningful way- the Pope is the supreme executive. Like a dictator.

            So either he appointed in a stupid fashion, and the next pope is more conservative, or he appointed wisely, and the voters follow him with someone equally progressive in view.

            (Progressive here, of course, is very, very relative.)

            And to be clear, it’s not like, a slim majority. Of the 135 cardinals who will be voting for the next pope, Francis appointed 108 of them.

            Don’t get me wrong- some of those have been quoted as saying some super backwards shit. But statistically, I would put my bet on “around about the same.”

      • biofaust@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        6 天前

        Francis said that judgement should be suspended on gay individuals and theorized a gay cabal in the same sentence. That’s different than being kind to them.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      411·
      6 天前

      I’m very afraid that the next pope will be somebody American catholic bishops would approve of. a trans hating, immigrant-hating asshole who will excuse everything Nazi America does like that one nazi pope did historically

      • Airowird@lemm.eeEnglish
        81·
        6 天前

        80% of the conclave was appointed by the Pope. I doubt it’s gonnabe a radical chnge in the Vatican.

      • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
        83·
        6 天前

        Do you seriously think the Vatican is influenced by MAGA? Or by European far-right elements for that matter?

        It’s no coincidence, no outlier, that the last one was slightly more tolerant on certain issues. (Apparently enough to piss off more than one US christofascist.) I fear MTG will not see God’s plan in whatever follows, either.

        • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
          10·
          6 天前

          The American Catholic church hierarchy is reactionary and many of them are allied with MAGA. Think of shit-stains like Alito. Even Vance has converted to Catholicism, and there’s no way a twised fuck like him signed onto anything that promotes compassion or human decency. He’s more likely in it for the smell of incense, the Latin Mass, the Inquisition and the ancient tradition of diddling altar boys.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          82·
          6 天前

          Do you seriously think they’re not?

          Do you really think the cia/nsa doesn’t have compromat? Or that Putin doesn’t?

          Or that rich fucks like musk can’t buy a priest?

          Are you really so confident the organization that made a deliberate effort to protect men who sexually assaulted children is going to do the right thing because it’s the right thing?l

          • A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish
            52·
            6 天前

            Just to be clear, I’m not defending the Catholic Church here. At all. Just calling out USians who think the world revolves around their country.

            • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
              71·
              6 天前

              revolves around? no. I don’t think that at all.

              but I do know that roughly 28% of annual contributions come from the US, that the US is fourth on the list of ‘most Catholics’ by total numbers and the vatican would be pretty stupid to ignore those two points. and that is not even coming close to the question of corruption or doctrine.

              Are they going to completely capitulate? probably not, but that doesn’t mean there’s no influence, either. Further, the vatican still opposes trans lifestyles doctrinaly, and Francis was the first pope to emphasize pastoral care over doctrine. It would not be difficult to imagine that conservative voices push back against that shift.

              Thus I’m concerned that the next guy won’t be as supportive of trans as Francis was. Remember, Francis ruffled more than a few feathers with his progressiveness, not just american bishops (who are straight up assholes.)

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          3·
          6 天前

          You do realize that there will be American cardinals involved in the voting process, right?

          The Pope himself could end up being from the US.

      • straightjorkin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 天前

        Francis appointed most of the college of cardinals, and I find it unlikely he’d appoint someone so ready to buddy with fascism, so we will likely still have a liberal pope.

      • straightjorkin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 天前

        Francis appointed most of the college of cardinals so more than likely we will get another woke pope. Hopefully this one is even woker.

    • Echinoderm@aussie.zoneEnglish
      132·
      6 天前

      But the next pope may be far more conservative than Francis, who by Catholic Church standards was unusually liberal.

    • wheeldawgEnglish
      312·
      6 天前

      She hated him because he was at least a little ok with some LGBT.

      I hated him for being the leader of one of the biggest, most corrupt organizations ever to exist on the planet.

      We are (fucking definitely) not the same.

    • Delphia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      351·
      6 天前

      How dare you insinuate that JD VANCE KILLED THE POPE, there isnt a single shred of evidence that JD VANCE KILLED THE POPE. Id like to see anyone claiming or even hinting that JD VANCE KILLED THE POPE take their evidence straight to Interpol so that it can be disproven categorically by trained experts that JD VANCE KILLED THE POPE.

    • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
      20·
      6 天前

      The poor pontiff wasn’t used to being face-to-face with that level of evil and egotism. And he didn’t think Vance would try to strangle him: “A message from Ratzinger! Bwahaha!”

    • LiveLM@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4·
      5 天前

      Can’t lie, if I had to meet that dweeb IRL my matter would start decaying very fast too.

  • NutWrench@lemmy.mlEnglish
    33·
    6 天前

    If God exists, then why does he destroy the faith of millions by allowing MTG to live?

    • CarlEnglish
      131·
      6 天前

      Magic the gathering is not that evil. Is it?

        • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.socialEnglish
          11·
          6 天前

          You’re conflating all branches of Satanism into just the one where edgy atheists try to trigger theists. There are plenty of versions that believe in a creator-tyrant God.

          • scintilla@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            5 天前

            I wouldn’t boil down TST or COS to edgy atheists. I think a lot of people were deeply hurt by religion and the TST spends a of time trying make sure that local governments follow the first amendment. The COS isn’t really theistic but they are absolutely a religion that does more than just be edgy.

  • Geetnerd@lemmy.worldEnglish
    54·
    6 天前

    This is the result of 40 years of Jerry Springer, Judge Judy, Rush Limbaugh, and all the other Right Wing Grifters that followed.

    They know the lowest of us love cruelty as comedy.

  • Jaysyn@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    6 天前

    MTG very obviously doesn’t really believe in the religion she claims to follow.

    • GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      10·
      5 天前

      Most Republicans don’t. Never have in my lifetime, honestly, but with how hard they fight these days against e.g. feeding the hungry and treating the sick, it’s more glaringly obvious than ever.

  • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
    24·
    6 天前

    If it were true that God defeats evil, Empty Greene would be a smouldering pile of ashes at a crossroads by now.

    Karma is what we make it. The world don’t care.

  • MuskyMelon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    27·
    6 天前

    Oh face of evil,

    Oh Marjorie Trailer Queen,

    The evil you know,

    Is the evil you’ve seen.

    Oh face of spite,

    A reflection so mean,

    The ugliest sight,

    Is the one you preen.

    Oh face of shame,

    A soul so obscene,

    The monster you blame,

    Is the one you’ve been.