I don’t like to see so many political posts in all and so many weird images in comment sections
What in the world have I woken up into…
As an Asian/Taiwanese, I do not understand why Hexbearians feel the need to point out what’s racist for us.
The picture of Xi the Pooh is clearly a parody and pointed specifically at Xi and the CCP, and not a general racist insult to Asians. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, in East Asia knows that, including the Chinese themselves. We use/refer to it a lot ourselves on our own social media platforms in Taiwan (習維尼, 習: Xi, and Winnie the Pooh: 維尼), and if you mention any of it on Chinese social media Weibo/WeChat, you likely will get banned from the platform.Kind of reminds me of cultural appropriation gone out of hand, where Westerners feel the need to be angry at other Westerners for wearing Japanese Kimonos or Chinese Quipaos. Like, no one here is offended. We don’t understand why those people feel the need to be angry for us.
Edit: I just saw a Hexbear comment on another thread posting that China doesn’t ban Winnie the Pooh because Disney is able to exist. Well, no shit. It’s in the context of Disney. Put that phrase in any other thread on their platform (preferably political) and see what happens, then can you claim that the CCP doesn’t ban the word Xi the Pooh.
Watch out, you’re Taiwanese so you don’t exist to those racism fighters 👍
How dare you try to develop your own opinion. Don’t you know that white girls on social media get to tell you what to be offended by?
How dare you not let the, probably also white, tankies decide what is and is not racist towards you. /s i hope they all kick rocks
Yeah as far as I know the Winnie the Pooh thing originated in the PRC. Apparently Xi is really upset about it and did a hard ban on it. But it’s kinda a Streisand effect kind of thing so places outside of the CCP’s control kinda ran with it.
But the hexbears are just conditioned to say it’s racist to try to shut down any conversation about it. I mean it’s their tyrant using censorship for an extremely petty reason. I probably wouldn’t call him Xi the Pooh myself if it weren’t for the fact that this tyrant is so butthurt and petty about it. And that’s what makes it hilarious. And fuck that guy.
Kind of reminds me of cultural appropriation gone out of hand, where Westerners feel the need to be angry at other Westerners for wearing Japanese Kimonos or Chinese Quipaos.
Yeah the whole cultural appropriation thing is weird. Sure it’s wrong to trivialize something that holds a lot cultural or religious significance to others. But people generally like seeing others participate in their culture, and they’ll let you know when something is sacred and not for a casual tourist to participate in.
When I went to Peru I bought a shirt from a tourist shop that was the local style. Everyone seemed happy to see that. One older woman said she was happy to see a westerner wearing the local style and invited me to a wedding. Approval all around… except for one guy that said I probably shouldn’t be wearing that shirt. It was a white guy from the UK (judging from the accent).
And the kimono thing is really weird. When I was in Kyoto, anyone could dress up as a samurai or a geisha. Not only was it acceptable, the shops would give discounts to people dressed up this way. Because it made things more fun. This may be shocking to some people, but cosplay is fairly popular in Japan. I also saw some dudes in a park cosplaying as American 1950s geasers. Was I offended by this because they were appropriating our culture? Of course not, they seemed to be having fun and nobody dresses that way anymore anyway.
The idea of a blanket stigmatizing of western people having any participation in other cultures seems like it’ll be a problem long term. If it’s ok for everyone in the world to adopt western culture, but not ok for westerners to adopt anything from anyone else’s culture, then western culture spreads and other cultures don’t. Seems to me like what happens with colonialism, but this time with good intentions! But intentions doesn’t change the result. And if the result is the spread of western culture while preventing the spread of other cultures, seems like a bad result to me.
嗨，難得可以在 Lemmy 上遇到台灣人。相信我，我懂你的心情。我前幾天也被六熊們搞得很煩。什麼新疆人過得很好、習維尼迷因是種族歧視、台灣是中共領土等巴拉巴拉的。
我家外面風好大，雨也好大，你那邊呢？
It’s called Whitesplaining and it’s actually in the dictionary.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whitesplain
“(of a white person) to comment on the minority experience or explain racism to a person of color in a condescending or blaming way…”
I think it’s a key giveaway that someone is a narcissist.
Not really westerners. Pretty much the whole US left with their history of fucked-up race relations and cultural penchant for either pussy-footing or waving their dicks around, nothing in between, and a small splattering of leftist from other countries drawn into their bullshit reasoning and inability to see context that is beyond the brim of their burger.
Hey I wrote that post. The person I was responding to said Winnie is not allowed in the PRC at all, which is false. I then went on to acknowledge that Winnie is censored in other contexts, especially online. Please represent the conversation accurately.
Hexbear: why do so many people want to degenerate with us
Also hexbear: Spams every complaint in other instances with unrelated images
They are so eager to prove themselves the assholes that people accuse them of being, and then they whine and cry about instances defederating from them.
I’m pretty sure the whole thing is a false flag/astroturf to discredit sincere leftist discourse. It seems a lot like a blend of bad leftist parody, and edgy 14-year-olds who fell for it
Sounds like r/chapotraphouse in a nutshell.
Also, I think TheDude was underselling why they were originally banned on Reddit. They were the left-wing version of r/TheDonald. The reason he listed was just the excuse Reddit used to justify kicking them off the platform
what the fuck does that even mean, “left wing version of /r/TheDonald”
like the donald but believing the exact opposite things?
like the donald but believing the exact opposite things?
Yes. I don’t get how you’re confused by that
that’s stupid, then, why would you bother to make a comment like that. Who gives a shit?
r/The_Donald was known for being a toxic cesspool that often went out to harass other subs. r/chapotraphouse did the same thing, they were just on the other side of the political spectrum. The rest of Reddit hated both because they were full of toxic brigading assholes, and if you can’t understand that then you’re beyond hope
This exactly. I swear the entire point is to discredit and divide. The FBI couldn’t do a better job if they tried. What I’ve been finding really interesting is the stress they put on being “anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-fascist, etc”. If you were really those things you would most definitely not need to shoehorn that into EVERY SINGLE COMMENT. “hey it’s a nice day outside, I’m anti-racist anti homophobic anti trans anti fascist btw” Mind you on reddit when chapotraphouse was popular there were a lot of them talking about how they HATE identity politics and basically dismissing anything to do with race. So the pronouns in the names, the constant non sequitors about how they’re actually “more anti-racist and anti-homophobic” than you, etc. It feels like it might just be really deep irony and they’re just memeing it.
I mistakenly assumed that they would be more similar to chapotraphouse, but now I see that the 3 year exile has stripped away many of the reasonable people. I still hope some of these users will snap out of it and realize they are acting obnoxiously and unproductively, but the chances of that happening seem slim at this point.
CTH was aggressively leftist but it was actually funny and self aware. Hexbear seems to have forgotten how to interact with ordinary people.
I mean, I like aggressively leftist and most of lemmy that I’ve experienced feels that way. This hexbear shit feels like anti-leftist agitation though. It fucking stinks of feds. If not at the beginning, they’re certainly there now
You think feds want you to support socialist countries and point out their achievements?You’re delusional.
Say hi to your FBI handler for me.
I don’t know, I’ve actually met people in real life who were sort of like that. It was really toned down compared to what you would read online but it was still there.
and basically dismissing anything to do with race.
Show me
Anyway, the rest of your post is basically a deranged imagining trying to cope with leftists whose attitudes are different than you are accustomed to.
This is the exact type of thing I’m talking about. If you’re not a fed you’re doing terrific for them for free
Because I don’t believe things without evidence and don’t like wacky conspiracy theories?
I’m just asking questions bro, debate me!
Oh, I literally just had a comment on my thoughts on it. Here is it pasted, since I don’t want direct linking to it. TLDR it’s probably majority those 14 year olds, not a false flag.
I don’t think they are pretending to be those things. They truly believe themselves and their interpretation of Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, communism and socialist projects to be true and just.
The only issue is that they come from a specific strain of western leftist that got into the “uwu dank Soviet club” meme of the mid-10s and never evolved past that understanding of the people, projects, policies and states they stan like a fandom. They could take some lessons from the anarchists tbqh, but they’d rather post PPB and “liberals get the wall”. Very annoying.
I’m literally in an org irl and I don’t want to be federated with any of you
Then don’t come here? You don’t have to browse by ‘All’ you know
I like to also be able to see lemmygrad
Thinking people who disagree with you politically are bots or paid posters isn’t a healthy mindset to have.
I think they’re bots because I nearly exactly agree with them politically. They’re almost exactly my beliefs, but with the most annoying, self-righteous, groupthink presentation possible. That’s why I think they’re a false flag smear campaign to discredit actual leftists.
Hexbears should be sent to the gulag for being cringe
Make posting cringe a crime
I doubt we agree of much. You reek of anarcho-natoism.
Hey look, another hexbear making baseless and incorrect assumptions about my political inclinations, even further proving my point! Keep your corporate shill false flag disinfo to yourself, please and thank you.
I don’t think you’re actually a communist. Not a real one at least.
See? This is exactly what I’m talking about. “Anyone who doesn’t believe exactly the same as me for exactly the same reasons with exactly the same presentation as me is a transphobic boot-licking liberal!”
You’ve had no political discourse with me by which to evaluate my political beliefs, but disagreeing with hexbear specifically is enough for you to assume I’m not a “real” communist. You see how this just proves my point, right?
I thought thinking people who disagree with you politically weren’t real communists wasn’t a healthy mindset to have?
Consider the self-flattery of assuming a community that existed in isolation for three years just to eventually make you look bad when they became federated again.
Maybe there is a real disagreement instead?
Then how come the interactions have been predominantly self-righteous name-calling? My issue isn’t with the political ideals, it’s with the presumptuous antagonism.
lol.
This comment is the most “reddit liberal seeing real difference of opinion for the first time” thing I have ever seen.
I’m a leftist (not a liberal, actually leftist). It’s not a difference in opinion, it’s a presentation so outrageously bad it can’t be in good faith. It’s a middle-school mockery of communists, it just makes us look ridiculous to the people we should be engaging with sincerely.
Why is it hard to believe or understand that this, right here and now on lemmy, really is most westerners’ first time interacting with actual communists? A lot of us dems are pretty open minded and a lot of us want the US to move toward socialism. But most of our exposure to communism has just been “communism bad.” So of course we don’t understand the fuller spectrum of leftism, because our fascist conservative party has forced everything so far to the right, and our education system is abysmal.
Then we come here and see a bunch of “stupid libs” memes, which from the outside we can’t understand because we identify as liberals (leftists). You folks give off the same vibe of how our fascist conservatives treat us (own the libs, kill a dem to save America, etc), and I think thats why people assume or equate you with Nazis. We’ve never met real communists, and a lot of stuff on the internet is fake. It’s entirely understandable.
This is the most “American that doesn’t understand the liberal is only considered left in the US” comment I have ever seen
No. I had an account when the instance was first set up, but I got banned for getting into an argument with a power-user. I wouldn’t say it’s always been like this, but this is definitely what it’s like normally.
We mutated out of a band of subreddit refugees from r/ChapoTrapHouse, but I feel like the current community doesn’t fully live up to what it used to be.
I think it was, by its nature, susceptible to compromise as described above, which has been capitalized upon. Whatever it was, or pretends to be, has pretty clearly been manipulated into a deliberately obnoxious parody that, functionally, obstructs left unity and overwhelmingly benefits neolibs.
Or, maybe, people just hold different beliefs to you.
“People” can engage in civil discourse to discuss those beliefs. That’s not what I’m seeing, what I’m seeing is immediate strawmanning, insults, and overall cartoonish disrespect. That’s not someone with a different belief, that’s someone presenting the most obnoxious possible parody of someone with that belief.
What’s funny is those beliefs aren’t even that different, I’m pretty far left. This is just hivemind soundbite nonsense.
found the fed
hexbears are abrasive because we expect most liberals to be venomous and dismissive toward us and not listen to anything we say, even if we operate in good faith. so instead of wasting a lot of energy on a response that will be thrown back at us like dogshit, we’re flippant and cursory. for my part, I actually still respond in good faith most of the time, but I pick my battles.
go the fuck back to hexbear. Your instance sucks so hard you went and created another account on another instance to get around defederation. Fuck you.
We will convince them to like us by spamming emojis knowing that they will take up the screens of our opponents! That’ll show ‘em
Don’t forget the 5-10% of them who aggressively insult OP and anyone else commenting in the thread.
So, the primary reason that happens, and the primary reason I’d vote defederation on them every time, is because their instance has down votes disabled for some forsaken reason. It’s not 100% the users fault, it’s because a comment is the only mode of response they have available for something they don’t agree with. So a negative image macro is their downvote. Due to this, they end up flooding other instances threads and only see a bunch of people who agree with the op of a thread or a post, which of course makes them feel like they need to show their displeasure way what’s been posted. Meanwhile we can see the 500 to 9.2k ratio on the racist hot take.
The way our instances are run is just fundamentally incompatible.
Hexbear: why do so many people want to removed with us
Where did you get this idea from? We know damn well why: you’re a bunch of coddled libs who are used to the reddit admins protecting you from seeing any views outside the USA overton windows, and you’re now freaking out at seeing real difference of opinion.
I’m well aware how fucked up the US is. It created al-qaeda. Hell, this is some crazy secret knowledge you can’t learn anywhere, it’s on Wikipedia.
Also a hot take, I don’t like the war in Ukraine. I don’t think it should be happening and I wish it would end because I think war fucking sucks.
Believe it or not, the world is a complex place filled with a lot of countries that do lots of things, both good and bad, and it’s not cool or edgy to just say the US is bad and [insert other country here] is good. Hell, you realize one of the most influential forces in the Chinese government (and a huge influence in the west) is Tencent, a massive profit-focused cooperation. That ain’t communist.
Looks like you replied to the wrong post.
Correct.
Yooo we got them making memes about us, for free and everything
Because we hate you.
Not every publicitiy is good publicity
how dare we be obnoxious to the virulent homophobes and transphobes that have been coming out of the woodwork
Was I being homophobic with this post? Because they have been being obnoxious here, posting emojis that cover the screen and calling me a shithead
I just realized your the one who called me a shithead in the first place. Way to be a hypocrite
I don’t think they were calling you a homophobe or transphobe in their comment? They are talking more generally about how Hexbear users make no apologies for responding to bigotry with ridicule.
Hi I’m full of shit and here’s proof
They didn’t call you a shithead though? They said since federation, we have also had to deal with an influx of people whose views we find objectionable. I think they’ve explained themselves sufficiently to resolve that misunderstanding, and I’m sorry that you thought you were being called out individually.
Your sad gaslighting attempts only underlines the problematic behaviour of hexbear users.
I interpreted someone saying “shitheads from here” in a comment to my post as being directed mostly to me but I can see how that might be wrong
I’ll just leave this here
Sure, but they also respond to the slightest deviation from their exact opinions with ridicule too.
I disagree with hexbears all the time because I’m one of the resident Anarchists and they still love me :)
Hexbear users make no
apologies for responding to bigotry with ridiculeattempt to be civil or truthful.
What’s hypocritical? You are complaining about all the “political posts” lately and I’m complaining about all the transphobia and racism since we federated
You claim that you only called homophobes out and also called me a shithead for asking how to not see a specific instance.
I just said that “shitheads from there keep showing up in my feed”, I guess that was indirectly calling you a shithead, but I don’t regret it.
I didn’t say we “only call out homophobes”, we call out racists and transphobes too, and I was speaking broadly about experiences since federating, but it’s only a matter of time before it crops up there too.
Just block and ignore these trolls. They want interaction. They’re obviously 15 years old.
That’s just been my experience since we whitelisted this shithole
Accusing people of random blatantly untrue things is exactly part of what makes you obnoxious.
You already said you don’t care to look at evidence, and can check out modlogs to see the shit we seeing coming from your instance. You’re complaining about us being rude, we’re complaining about all the transphobes you apparently are cool with hanging out with.
You literally accuse of random shit 24/7
“no u”. This is how you sound.
Its not no u to call out hypocriscy Also show me evidence Cant you believe decided to comment after 2 and half months just to cry over my comment
You: Everyone that doesn’t want to be forced to listen to me is a transphob and I need zero proof!
Also you: Show proof I’ve ever said anything ever!
It’s funny how it’s always the same tactic used. Just say you call hypocrisy out and you are golden.
Show you the evidence of what?
And finally, the famous call out of me not posting enough to your taste. And if I want to post once a year, so what? Are you gonna report me to the hexbear police?
Love how much your seething over me
No u
I love that you all default to bad faith arguments. It’s so predictable.
The modlog is literally full of this shit, ‘bad faith’ my ass
You are the one coming to this thread in another instance hurling abuse at participants. Noone cares about your irrelevant modlogs, it is about what you guys are doing outside of your little safespace.
Oh not calling people shitheads, how will you ever recover.
The reason I referred to the modlog is because I’m annoyed by people from your shitty instance showing up in our threads and I can’t wait for us to un-whitelist you
The guy telling op to kill themself was just calling people shitheads?
once again being a Mao bootlicker is not a gender
Mao was objectively correct, you’re the one licking boot for landlords shithead
There hasn’t been any homophobia or transphobia in this thread from what I’ve seen, yet here you are being obnoxious and antagonistic.
It’s been showing up in other threads, like getting your shitty users banned for rolling up with transphobia in our no bigots space
silence anime girl
Oh shit, you’re the guy that runs the comm with the racist banner
lol fuck you nato goat
I work in the Raytheon mines to support my family!
(posted from a country that uses the same arms)
Yeah I’m in the US, it’s a fucking shithole, I don’t need to read burger opinions online too
awww, where you gonna go instead? To another Western country?
not even sure what you’re trying to say here, when did I say I was leaving? I certainly don’t have the money for that, you people are so fucking divorced from reality
That’s the only time hecxbear users are obnoxious, of course
Dumb as hell saying and believing that shit, okay?
Hexbear sucks so hard you had to create an account on a better server? Or is it to get around being defederated for being obnoxious shitheads?
Don’t listen to hexbear users when they say they “defend themselves” from homophobia and transphobia. One user thought the admin of Blahaj.zone was being transphobic for not allowing politics in every community. Hexbear users will literally just lie about the repamant amount of homophobia and transphobia to justify their existence here.
Mind that the two admins of Blahaj.zone are trans women, which makes it extra ridiculous.
That whole thing was a shit show and I somehow was able to stumble across each and every single part of it as it happened.
It all happened merely days after hexbear said Blahaj was somehow not safe for their LGBT members, so then having those new accounts pull this was so obvious as where could the users came from.
Umm… They lie about everything actually.
We defederated blahaj because they allowed chasers, vaushites and ableism. Even 4chan knows how bad 196’s chaser problem is.
