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The original press release seems to be gone now, but here is what is claimed to be the revised release, and an article on the same topic.
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/polizei-dortmund-greta-gewaltbereit-100.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-politician-calls-greta-thunberg-102611513.html
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She gonna get the Julian Asange treatment
Imagine declaring violent someone for their demonstrations against a genocide
Mossad’s Epstein files must be wild.
Yes. Greta is well known for her violent tendency to be limply carried away by police from protests where she stands there…violently. have you seen the graphic photos of police carrying her away? It’s a wonder they survive the encounter.
Attacking our batons with your shoulder blades and our pepper spray with your faces.
You said it. Shoulder BLADES
Yeah it’s kinda what I was thinking. That lady and her terrorism have gone too far!
She does get a bit tasty with the old knuckle dusters.
Well they have jumped the shark now.
Germans? No…
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The reason you don’t hear about Greta anymore is because she didn’t let her conscience stop at climate change. She’s a left wing activist fighting for social justice in all things.
The rich will mold her image in history the same way they did for MLK, leaving out all the aspects of her politics that make them squirm.
Same reason we immortalized the child version of Helen Keller. Though she lived to 87.
Could you elaborate?
I never realized that, and it is kind of messed up. Although I suppose the main thing that happened for her happened as a child, the story of how she came to understand that words had meaning, starting with “water.” I suppose I don’t hardly know anything about the rest of her life.
Happily, when Helen was a young woman she assumed blindness to be a misfortune. A cruel test from God that nobody could control. Then she was appointed to a body that advocated for the affairs of the blind. And was faced with the stark reality that much of the blindness in the world was caused by people. Industrial accidents and chemical exposures often caused by the greed and selfishness of the owning class and the minimal protection afforded to citizens who didn’t merit the governments protection. So she joined the wobblies, the IWW.
From which she soon became one of the most radical members.
In her own words from an interview with Barbara Bindley with the New York tribune, 1915
“What are you committed to - education or revolution?”
“Revolution.” She answered decisively. “We can’t have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now.”
“I am not for peace at all hazards. I regret this war, but I never regretted the blood of the thousands spilled during the French Revolution. And the workers are learning how to stand alone. They are learning a lesson they will apply to their own good out in the trenches. Generals testify to the splendid initiative the workers in the trenches take. If they can do that for their masters you can be sure they will do that for themselves when they have taken matters into their own hands.”
“Don’t forget the workers are getting their discipline in the trenches,” Miss Keller continued. “They are acquiring the will to combat.”
And thus her statue
High quality post. Thanks.
I assume they’re referring to her being an outspoken socialist as an adult.
Or the Diary of Ann Frank. Easier to control the narrative around children than to discuss the politics of grown adults.
Well, she was murdered in the Holocaust a year after she wrote. So it makes sense that’s how we remember her. We don’t know what you may have been like as an adult. She was a cool ass kid, facing annihilation by total evil.
No wonder they teach it in schools.
The thing than never fails to make me laugh are “fuck greta” stickers on cars or bikes. Especially if it’s a little VW golf.
Conscience*
Lol, early morning swipe typing.
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Could you elaborate what you mean by that?
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No. They’re not. She’s not. But go ahead and keep getting your news from the bullshit factories.
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What’s your opinion on the current multiple military actions in Palestine and Lebanon? I think that might shed some light on your current bias.
They’re very pro Israel fyi
rofl
I could take her
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I’m guessing they’re feeling guilty for the holocaust and as an apology, they’re letting the jews in Israel do one of their own.
As a German: Our government, as an apology, is letting the Israeli government do a genocide of their own. You were so close, and then you took the anti-semitic turn by referring to “the jews” :(
However, also as a German: While I do absolutely wish Israel was forced to stop the atrocities they commit, and pay reparations, I believe that - given our specific history with the state of Israel and what Germans did to the Jewish population of Europe just ~80 years ago, there are plenty of states in the world that are better candidates to take an aggressive political stance towards Israel, before Germany does.
Some of us are still very much committed to absolutely defending the absolute right of Israel to exist as a state, while also (albeit sadly less of us) there are people who at the same time see the war crimes committed by the Israeli army and secret services against civilian populations of Gaza & Lebanon.
But the German government can not just take the side of Palestinians here, not because the current Israeli administration does not belong in jail, but because there are those who will - should the pendulum swing to the other side again - ask for revenge / war on Israel / commit crimes against Israeli civilians. Or, as we already see, use the violence in the middle east to justify hate crimes against Israelis or Jewish people in other countries.
Those who do the killing are evil on both sides, and those who do the suffering and dying are mostly not the same group of people - neither in Israel, nor in Gaza or Lebanon.
Long story short - Germany is stuck between a rock and a hard place in this, and it is MUCH easier for virtually any other country in the world to speak on behalf of the Palestinians. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t speak out, but I can understand why German politicians are very carefully weighing their options on this.
Israel doesn’t have a right to exist. Religion based countries will always resort to fighting anyone that doesn’t conform to their flavor of religion.
The concern is legitimate, but it falls into the same “never again - to us” pit Israel fell into. Another potential framing one could take of the issue - one I feel is more helpful - would go something like: 80 years ago, the world got together to help save Germany from itself, and it’s time to return the favor, hopefully before it gets completely out of hand like last time.
It’d be a good take on this, but there are still too many people in the world that fall for hypocrisy when one side is lying through their teeth and the other is calling out the bullshit and saying things as they are. Too many people will side with the liars who would claim that Israel is acting in self-defense and fighting “terrorists”.
Edit: I had to reword a few sentences (previous and next), because it seemed as if I was talking about liars on the one hand, and nazi parties on the other, as if they weren’t one and the same - that is absolutely not what I meant, I just reworded too much and then read it myself and thought “oh damn”.
I admit that the higher risk in Germany right now is the anti-“brown people”, putin-loving piece of shit nazi party (AfD, in case you were wondering, but CDU/CSU comes close), and not any anti-semitic party. So I guess calling out Israeli war crimes wouldn’t come with an immediate risk of a rise in anti-semitism.
I guess that’s also the problem here. Palestinians are seen as “brown people” and the post 2001 hate-filled news escalation has deepened the deeply ingrained racism in many parts of European societies. So among our political parties (and I don’t see a difference from most European countries), none is really vocal about the crimes against humanity being committed in Gaza and Lebanon. And previously Syria. And Iraq. And Afghanistan. And before that Iran. Notice a pattern?
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The news in Germany is also shockingly biased. Obviously things like the Bild were going to be, but even on more mainstream news, you don’t hear about Palestinian casualties, nor do you hear interviews with Palestinians or Israelis against of the war (at most you get an Israeli who’s slightly critical of methods, but still thinks Israel should be actively defending itself). If you’re a German who doesn’t look at international sources for news, it would be very strange not to support Israel, based on what you’re hearing. It’s infuriating, but it’s also difficult to change. I don’t know what it would take for the German media to stop supporting them.
A lot of Germans still remember the 1972 Summer Olympics massacre in Munich and the aftermath like the plane hijack to free the captured perpetrators and are therefore biased against Palestinians, suspecting a lot of violent people among them. It’s not a good environment to protest.
German here: if you take peaceful demonstration as an option away from people, they are left with two options: being resigned or non-peaceful demonstration. The German stance to hinder peaceful demonstration against the Israeli atrocities is stupid and labeling Greta Thunberg as primed for violence is beyond stupid. And the majority of Germans has no active memory of the 72 Olympics incident.
It’s sad, but also makes me really angry, that “pro Palestine” and “supporting Israel” are now seen as polar opposites.
Also, the ongoing war is in no way connected to the 1940’s Holocaust, apart from the obvious “they’re both unspeakably horrible”.The holocaust led to more jews going to the holy land which lead to the creation of the state of Israel, which since its inception has had expelling the Palestinians as its main goal. Palestinians rightfully so started resisting through different groups which has lead to Israel doubling down on its genocidal motives leading to today. They are connected just not as obviously as other events.
Israel was primed to be created regardless of the holocaust
Israel cannot exist as a concept if you support Palestinians right to exist. They’re fundamentally incompatible.
Drag thinks Germans just like genocide in general. Corrupt government.
Drag seems to be a fucking moron if he talks shit like that.
Drag is not a he.
I get where they’re coming from since you could consider her voice as a weapon. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, the kids are talking. They gotta unshit this goddamn world since everyone before either stopped trying or advocated to make things worse.
The press release has since been updated and a correction issued:
https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/4971/5882017
The assembly leader of the Palestine protest camp informed the Dortmund police today that Ms. Greta Thunberg wanted to visit the assembly in Emil-Figge-Straße. Following an examination by Dortmund Police Headquarters, the latter issued an order banning the camp.
The Dortmund police carried out a risk assessment for the assembly. The announced visit by Ms. Thunberg led to the conclusion that there would be more people at the venue than stated in the assembly registration. The time frame specified in the assembly confirmation would also have been exceeded. The recent events in connection with Thunberg were taken into account in the assessment. After intensive examination as part of a risk assessment, the Dortmund police headquarters ordered the ban and the associated dissolution of the assembly.
The assembly leader announced on site that the assembly had ended and arranged for the camp to be dismantled.
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You’d never expect this from Germany, of all places.
Unfortunately, as a German citizen, that is exactly what you would expect. In hardly any other country is the Israel lobby as strong as in Germany. In Germany, it is very easy for the supporters of the Netanyahu-regime, because the strategic accusations of anti-Semitism against anyone who even mildly criticizes the inhumane actions of the Israeli government weigh all the more heavily here. Regardless of whether it is legitimate criticism of a state - that doesn’t matter at all here, nor does it seem to matter how many international laws Israel may break or how many innocent lifes the IDF may take in order to pursue the inherently racist Zionist ideology this State stands for in recent days.
It makes sense that Israel would use Germany’s past to guilt-trip it into doing whatever it wants.
Then you don’t know present day Germany 🙁
