Hey, Alex Jones!..remember asking Nick when he was gonna get married and have kids and you kept telling him how good looking he was and he kept deflecting the subject and telling you that it wasnt his priority? Remember that? Just last week? Remember?
You just couldn’t pick up the cues, could you?
Wasn’t Alex Jones caught watching trans porn or something? Between this and that, you can wonder if there’s anything real in these people’s life. Must be hard to always pretend.
He got caught with trans porn tabs open on his browser. While it isn’t watching, still the same implication
Research!
I’m pretty sure that was his excuse lol
Trans-frog-porn, sure.
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Dan and Jordan
Thought the same thing
God that whole interview was pathetic. It was obvious Alex was trying to do the dad talk with someone who just did not buy in.
Wait, wasn’t it Nick Fuentes that said sleeping with men was less gay than sleeping with women or something? This is the weasely little fuckface with a voice like Ben Shapiro and a face like a twink fuckboi?
Not sure about the first half but the second is correct
lol I was apparently remembering the first part correctly too:
Fuentes complained about “people calling me gay because I’ve never had a girlfriend.”
“I think if anything — if anything — it makes me less gay. If anything, it makes me not gay — as opposed to less gay, not that there’s any gay, but it makes me not gay,” he argued.
Fuentes went on to describe how he has never been in a romantic relationship or had sex with a woman, but is “more heterosexual than anybody.”
“If we’re really being honest, never having a girlfriend, never having sex with a woman, really makes you more heterosexual, because honestly, dating women is gay,” he claimed.
I didn’t believe you, OP. I thought there’s no way, it’s exactly the kind of thing that would be made up. Like we all talk about accidentally streaming porn but it never actually happens.
But holy fuck, there’s images. There’s a screen recording. You can see one of the guys had a pup hood. I am completely shocked.
And yeah, even before he realized what was happening the chat had already come up with an excuse and he went with it. We live in a clown world.
I worked with a guy for a bit on a Helpdesk. He was our overnight guy and would generally work alone. The dude had a massive collection of movies and tv shows on his home server that he would remotely connect to and watch while in the office.
Well one day he leaves work after his shift. About an hour or so later the office is echoing with the screams and slaps of sex.
He left and forgot the logout and left the volumed turned to 11
They came up with an excuse so they could sit and watch with him
Evidently you aren’t aware that this is how all the anti-gay republican go down (no pun intended), time and again. reality is a parody of itself.
All men have prostates, prostates give the better orgasm, all self-serving egomaniacs always seek greater pleasure and will never apply principles they apply to others, to themselves, because that’s the purpose of power, privilege, which more or less means the ability to flout laws. Everyone figures out they have a prostate eventually (due to medical necessity if nothing else) and then, if you’ve spent your life being an idiot about it, the bill comes due. It happens all the time, the world over. It’s so fucking boring it’s literally criminal.
No i always expected conservatives to be secretely gay, but accidentally streaming gay porn is so funny and so demonstrative that it sounds made up. Like it’s unquestionable proof of a common stereotype and the person also looks clumsy in the process, it’s like too good.
Fear and hatred on that irrational level almost exclusively comes from self shame.
There is a difference between hitting the p spot and becoming gay. You can put a finger or dildo up there, or get a girl to peg you without watching gay porn.
Do you expect a red bloodeded alpha male conservative values republican to known that you can enjoy yourself as a straight man with your wife?
He can’t possibly be expected to masturbate to completion with some pathetic tradwife on the screen. He’s no beta-male cuck! Only 2 or more alpha males railing each other can produce the kind of testosterone-fueled intensity to make him climax.
puts an entirely new spin on the concept of the dickfighter.
Havent we already gone through a twitter phase of ‘having sex with women makes you weak/gay?’
I guess one thing ‘good’ about Mike Johnson is that he hasn’t been caught raping and sexually abusing young boys and men.
Look up Dennis Hastert.
Mike’s young.
Kind of weird to imply that selfish pleasure seeking leads to being gay… Seems more likely that when they learned the harmful social tradition that being gay is bad, they fixated on it because it was something they were “struggling” with so it became what their brains go to in morality talks and sticks out more among the other “sins”. It’s like all those horny teenagers that form abstinence clubs.
Hey can we get some cope in chat please
Sorry, this is all the copium I could muster
we all talk about accidentally streaming porn but it never actually happens.
It happens. But unless it’s someone big, most streamers aren’t being recorded or have haters who want to get them banned and are able to scrub all evidence of it.
pup hood
German Shepherd, you think?
As a Jew so Jewy that I moderate c/Jewish, I can tell you for a fact that I personally use the mind control setting on my space laser to make Nick Fuentes think about sucking cock all day.
Thank you for your service
You’re doing Yahweh’s work.
Dude I think you got the coordinates wrong, you hit me instead.
It’s a wide beam.
S’all good, maybe swing it past again next week, you know for calibration…
dang, I gotta seriously reconsider not being jewish. All these perks sure seem worth the trouble
Warning: You do have to cut off the tip of your penis.
Pshhh done. Next?
Now that’s commitment. At least it was done to me when I was a baby so I don’t remember it.
My mil asked me to do that one. Never saw her again
How many liters of children’s blood does that take?
Those little hats are mind control transmitters, aren’t they?
Please. They’re called beanies and some come with propellers.
(If I had a dollar for every time some idiot called a yarmulke a beanie…)
The Nazis persecuted gays and sent them to concentration camps.
and the Allies left them there
The English chemically castrated the guy who broke the Nazi codes that let us win the war, he killed himself over it and England took 60 years to say “my bad”.
Say his name! Alan Turing!
he killed himself over it
There’s some doubt over that. Accidental inhalation due to some of the lab equipment in his room has some compelling arguments too. The wikipedia article has the details.
Any link to article or search keywords?
Alan Turing. Yes. That Alan Turing.
Ah damn, No link required
The personal life section of the Alan Turing wikipedia article
The imitation game had such a good portrayal of it… I’ve known the story for a long time, but Benedict Cumberbatch really made it hit home
Why do people keep saying this bullshit lol.
Allies weren’t leaving gays in concentration camps. Persecution at home is an entirely different story.
At the end of the war, the majority of homosexuals were freed from camps in both parts of divided Germany. However, the homophobia directed against them by the public remained strong. Article 175—the basis for sending thousands of innocent people to concentration camps—remained in force in the DDR until 1967, and in West Germany until 1969. There were some American and British lawyers who demanded that homosexuals convicted under Article 175 serve out their full sentences. For instance, if someone had been sentenced to eight years and served five years of the sentence in prison followed by three years in a concentration camp, the lawyers demanded that the person return to prison to serve out three years. The number of people forced to “complete” their sentences in this way is not known. To this day, no financial compensation has been paid to the victims of Nazi homosexual policies, despite the fact that the German government offered compensation to victims of Jewish ethnicity, political prisoners, and other groups that survived the concentration camps. Only the homosexuals were passed over. Many people deny that the homosexuals have a right to any such compensation, stating that victims with an alternative sexual orientation were justly imprisoned, and “had no one but themselves to blame.”
Significant numbers of the homosexuals who survived the war found themselves unable to return to their families or hometowns following their camp experiences. There were many reasons for this. Above all, however, shame and the fear of being stigmatized motivated homosexuals to change not only their addresses but everything else that could have been associated with their earlier lives.
The attempts that homosexuals made to conceal their pasts in the camps combined with the attitudes prevailing in postwar Europe to make it difficult for researchers to find many of those who had been sentenced under Article 175. As one of those researchers, Richard Plant, noted in his book The Pink Triangle: “Despite the fact that they no longer had to wear the pink triangles that designated them, they remained marked to the end of their lives.”
…? So your response to “look how fucked Nazis are” is “so are others’”? So confused why this is upvoted.
Its getting upvoted because it illustrates that sometimes the “goodguys” are actually really awful too and you shouldn’t trust them just because they are against the “badguys”.
Now noticing who I’m replying to it is almost self parody that you in particular missed this point.
I could sort of get the point (which is obvious), it’s just that the comment almost sounds like “the Nazis weren’t even as bad”.
Now noticing who I’m replying to it is almost self parody that you in particular missed this point.
This is cryptic, care to elaborate?
Maybe it was sex camps because they like it so much.
Eh this is pretty distasteful, they were murdered, gassed, and starved to death.
I think this is it. I am so fucking sick of being politically aware. I am tired of knowing that most of the bullshit in the US was caused by Jerry Falwell standing to lose money from desegregation. I am tired of being trans in an idiot state governed by those that fuckers he influenced over 50 years ago. I am tired of only being able to vote or hold a sign. This whole thing is fucked.
I am tired of having literal rocks thrown at me if I dare to speak when my voice doesn’t match my presented gender. I am tired of being told that I shouldn’t exist. I am tired of being completely ignored at work even with over 20 years in the trade.
I don’t know why this sent me over the edge reading this, but I am so ready to cash out my savings and live in a dark bunker, letting an ignorance of this garbage’s existence wash over me.
I say this with all of my being: The GOP and neo nazis like this fucker can sit on it and spin.
If moving to a civilized country is a potential option for you, it could pay off looking into your genealogy.
I grew up in the US and moved to Norway after feeling like the country was nose-diving politically. I remember feeling serious shame for paying taxes to fund such horrendous actions, an unwavering sense of hopelessness, and even serious depression. I remember the first time I realised how much I felt like a foreigner in my own home country, and the existential dread those words brought with them, amplified by the fact that I felt like there was nothing in my power I could do to change that. It was so far beyond awful. I’m struggling to find the words that can accurately convey how bleak and worthless life in the US felt.
And I say this as a cis white man. I’ve heard horror stories, but I can’t possibly imagine what it must be like for trans people in the US, especially in the past several years.
At some point I learned that because my grandmother was born in a certain EU country and fled during WWII, I qualified for citizenship of that country, just by proving my relation to her. It took some time, but I got the documents in order to put together my application, and left everything behind to move to Norway. With EU citizenship, you could move almost anywhere in Europe you choose. I chose Norway for many many reasons, but scandinavia in general is just so incredibly politically refreshing. Regardless of political views, the system itself just… Works.
Since you have 20+ years experience in your field, you might not even need to go though the process of getting a citizenship you may or may not qualify for as a birthright, depending on your profession. Many countries also have immigration laws in place making it extremely easy for skilled workers to relocate there, permanently. I know in Norway, the company hiring the skilled worker can essentially vouch for skilled workers, granting them the right of residency as soon as they’re hired. And there are many companies which post job listings in English, without requiring you to know the local language, because… Well, damn near everybody here is completely fluent in English and has no issue speaking English, or even switching to English for entire groups of people, even if only one person struggles with Norwegian.
But anyway, I’m sorry you’re forced to feel the way you feel living in your own home country. I can relate to parts of it at least, and even the sum of those parts was unbearable for me. So it saddens me to read messages like yours. I just wanted to offer a suggestion that worked to stop these feelings for me, and ended up being the best damn decision I’ve ever made in my life.
If you have questions or anything, feel free to send me a message.
Cries in ‘German from Russia’ with no marketable skills
Spätaussiedler? You’re not German, Waldemar. Everybody can tell. Go home to Vlad. He’ll need every man.
I have no idea what you mean. I was told by my grandparents that was my heritage: “German from Russia” both spoke fluent German, not Russian. I can’t recall all the details, although they did make a pretty detailed family tree. But if you know better, yay for you, I guess.
Yawn, we don’t need Putin U-Boats bringing their medieval ideas from the East back to us
Are you off meds, or self medicating? I realize now why I have you noted as: “kinda asshole”.
Go back to Russia
Norway… you hate the sun and nice weather that much?
Haha we might not get as much nice weather and sun around here as someplace like San Diego, but man, when the weather is as nice as it has been these past few days, we make sure we enjoy the hell out if it. Plus, this time of year we get more daylight hours than most of the world. It’s truly spectacular walking outside at 3am this time of year, when the streetlights don’t even need to turn on for a couple of months straight.
On the flip side, the winter months are dark and cloudy, with only around 4 hours of daylight for the weeks around the equinox, a few minutes of actual sun if you’re lucky and the clouds clear out temporarily. But if you ask me, the glorious summertime sun more than makes up for that.
Plus, when I’m leaving the bar with my friends after last call and one of us faceplants on the concrete, it’s comforting to know that calling an ambulance won’t bury anyone in debt 😁😂
You write and think like you’re 12
You write and think like a jackass, so I guess it’s fair game
And here I was thinking you were being a bit tongue in cheek. Don’t be so offended that I left the US to live a better life, snowflake. Be glad I’m gone instead.
What? I’m Europe
Excuse my assumption, I’m just very familiar with the defensive patriotism-fuelled reactionary insults from Americans when they learn I live in Norway. I’ve never met anyone from Europe who had a similarly negative reaction to that, because why would they?
So I guess I’m a bit confused and a little curious as to what made you so sour for seemingly no reason. Care to fill me in?
Go buy firearms and join/start an LGBTQIA+ militia. Either you train to protect yourself, or you can continue what you are currently doing which is roll over and die in the torrent of hate instead of fighting it back.
They were talking about being tired and getting away from it all, what you’re describing sounds like the least relaxing activity possible
You cannot escape bigotry. They spend their free time hating you, it’s their fucking hobby and brings them joy. They will eventually find you because they enjoy seeing left-leaning or LGBTQIA people suffering.
You either die soft, slow, dumb, and ignorant to how far they are willing to go to see you gone, or organize and fight it back.
We didn’t fight religious fascists and Nazis in WW2 with fucking protests and angry finger waggles and holding up signs.
Security in armed numbers, security means safety, you can sleep easy if someone else is pulling watch.
I don’t often quote Marx, but this one is highly pertinent:
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
Which in my opinion, speaks to the true intent of the Second Amendment, regardless of whatever the Tribunal of Six is trying to mutate it into these days.
The thing is, unless they are willing to uproot their life and leave the country for somewhere more tolerant, there is no “getting away from it all”.
These fascist fuck stains have been hugely emboldened by the last 8 years. If Trump ends up winning in November, they can and will start forming posses to target anyone who doesn’t conform to the heteronormative ideal. In that context, being able to defend oneself — and being part of a group that is very much on the same page as you about defending theirselves — actually makes it far more comforting than you may realize.
I was going to link to Tenacious Unicorn Ranch in Colorado as a case study, but apparently they were all evicted over a year ago, despite having a positive rapport with and significant support from the surrounding community. That’s really disheartening to hear. Not sure if there’s any sort of similar communities elsewhere of a similar nature (either as successor organizations or simply philosophically similar ones), but a handful of cursory searches didn’t turn up anything.
“Tired of constantly stressing over politics? Buy guns and radicalize yourself, surely you will be much happier and safer!”
They are already radicalized and continue to do so without stopping.
They already outnumber you and force/infiltrate local governments to enact laws that threaten your existence.
Unless you organize and do the same to counter their actions (LGBTQIA+ friendly militias that train everyday life skills, survival and marksmanship) instead of meekly arguing on the internet, they will fucking destroy you.
I’d rather be destroyed than fundamentally change my entire fucking life. Why are we never allowed to live comfortable, normal lives? Why do we always have to struggle? If they want me dead so badly, so be it. But they’ll have to kill me, am unarmed, untrained individual. If there are people ready and willing to do that, then why would I want to live on this evil planet anymore?
You are fearmongering as well, especially when it’s not even feasible for most people to go down the path you seem to think we all should. If our choices are die, or die with a gun in hand, I’ll just choose to fucking die.
You forget we came from what are essentially violent chimps. You can’t ignore the fact that many people only respond to violence because they’re still unable to shrug of their chimp behaviors due to years of religious indoctrination.
Go ahead and give up, just don’t encourage others to simply lay down and die with you because you feel alone in your acceptance of your shitty fate in life.
Instead you should inspire others to fight back for you since you’re too lazy to do it your fucking self
Easy to criticize when you aren’t the one at risk of losing your rights. Fuck you. Your fearmongering bullshit is pathetic, you come off as an internet tough guy and it’s sad. Have fun acting tough on Lemmy, if that’s what gets you off.
I just want to say I’ll lay down and die with you if the alternative is whatever psychotic fantasy that other guy is living in.
It sounds like what I said triggered you, and I sincerely apologize about that. That was not my intent here.
I’m just trying to say if you’re okay being a useless person, that’s fine.
Just stop encouraging other people to be as useless as you and rather inspire them to take action and make the world better instead of sitting on your ass here with me and arguing dumb things like a typical internet dipshit.
Having the tools and knowledge to keep yourself safe does not make you radicalized. That’s like saying learning how to swim or getting a boat means you were radicalized by water. Or learning first aid makes you a radicalized combat medic.
Getting a gun is a much less radical plan than changing countries…
I agree, if trans people start arming themselves at events, there’s no way the cowardly “proud” boys will show up
If Trans people start open carrying en masse, the state of Texas will have a sudden uptick of scared Uber drivers and maybe the rest of the nation will get more gun control laws a la the Black Panthers, ya know?
Now, if it’s concealed carry, they won’t have a chance to pull on you before they get a wet sweatshirt, just remember “you were afraid they were going to point it at you.”
they won’t have a chance to pull on you before they get a wet sweatshirt, just remember “you were afraid they were going to point it at you.”
Wait what does this mean?
It means shoot first and claim self-defense like conservatives always do.
I think the “wet sweatshirt” is referring to blood leaking from a wound from the good guy shooting the bad guy before the bad guy could shoot the good guy.
Yep, it’s rather demoralizing when the side of sanity and critical thought are ranting about getting rid of all firearms, when the other side already has enough firearms to turn a potential civil war into Team America vs. Cavemen Throwing Rocks At Each Other.
Be less like Ghandi and be more like fucking Black Panthers. Or at least support the 2nd Amendment and stop with this pointless bullshit about how we don’t need guns because the city police is totally going to have our backs :rollseyes:
Most of those backwards transphobic states also make it pretty easy to purchase a concealable firearm and also frequently allow such concealment without much red tape. Food for thought my friend.
I have 3 just because creeps exist.
Hey, cash out your savings and live in Taiwan. We are the first Asian country in the world to acknowledge gay marriage and have a vibrant LGBTQ+ community. Even this year’s winner for RuPaul’s drag race went to a Taiwanese contestant.
We would welcome you with open arms and invite you to work here.
Hey guys, remember. We have to support this gay Hispanic man through this hard time. He just came out of the closet after all. Kek.
Ask Milo how well that worked out for him 😊
Man, Milo’s probably being accepted so much right now. I wonder if Nick will start supporting trans rights after this? Lmao
Isn’t Milo claiming his gay was prayed away? That’s why he can’t do porn with Kanye I think.
I’m sure he says anything you want for $50. No checks.
Me, 10 years ago: haha, the onion
Me, now: haha, republicans
Me, 8 years ago: haha, dsp
Me, now: haha, republicans
disHonerable mention, Gavin McInnes putting a dildo up his own ass live.
I saw how you titled that link why did I click on it…
I mean the signs were there, starting a no women allowed club with your friends and calling it “Proud Boys” tbh it’s entirely our fault for not seeing this coming
You make it sound like I linked to Pornhub. It’s about as SFW as this can be while proving that Gavin McInnes did in fact put a dildo up his own ass.
Me, now: crying haha, Republicans more crying
Is everything Republican rail against just self loathing projection?
A few of them are true Captain Planet cartoon villains in their hearts (McConnel, MangoBastard), but for the most part yes.
Every single member of Donald’s cabinet was comically evil. Like the sort of appointments that would happen in a comic book so that the reader knows for certain they are completely corrupt.
I once heard someone try to say Captain Planet was actually harmful to discussions on environmentalism because it portrayed the “bad guys” aka oil barons, loggers etc. as physically deformed monster men who were cartoonishly Evil with a capital E, and people who watched the show as a child treat people who work at power plants or refineries or whatever as if they’re Just Evil and don’t have room to debate that stable grid power is exceptionally important.
But no turns out they genuinely are physically deformed monster men who are cartoonishly Evil with a capital E.
I’m yet to see a radical be against something and it not be because they hate themselves. Either they want others to suffer like them, or to struggle like they had to, or to not let the “unworthy” be more similar to them.
- You can’t be gay! - probably closeted gay
- you can’t work from home! - probably is a bad worker if noone is watching over them
- You can’t abort! - probably did it themselves and regretted or are the result of a failed attempt
- You can’t have x! - probably has x and doesn’t want others to be equal to them
- You can’t use drugs! - probably uses drugs
I’m pretty sure my mother, who is staunchly against abortion, is only against it because my grandmother offered to pay to abort me and my mother refused the offer and regrets it. She was 18 and her aunt then refused to pay for her college because she got knocked up. But you get what you get, and she got a gay son. 🤷🏻♂️
The evidence is mounting. Pretty sure this has been researched by psychologists, does anyone know of a good book about this?
Not shocked, all republicans are hypocrites!
Conservatives*
Authoritarians*
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No difference between conservatives and Republicans in US politics
It’s like these conservatives are just closet homos who can’t seem to be able to get out of the closet.
The worst part is they are ruining for all homos because they are so self hating.
Honestly they can get fucked.
I’m sorry their mum and dad can’t accept you want to take cock up the bum but it’s no reason to go around stopping other perfectly happy and well adjusted people from doing it.
Isn’t it weird how men who spend a lot of time thinking about gay sex keep turning out to be gay?
Republicans: we project our self-hate on to other people.
That might be the funniest shit I’ve ever heard 😂
Watch the video OP posted for receipts. The twitch chat makes it all the more hilarious.
I thought everyone knew he was gay. A self hating gay guy, sure, but I thought this was known facts.
There have been a myriad of rumors floating around the internet but as far as I know it was never actually confirmed.
Well, usually straight guys don’t watch hardcore gay videos when they end a stream and want to unwind. But maybe that’s just me?
Hey man, leave me out of this
He was just doing research, he had to make absolutely sure he wasn’t gay by watching hardcore gay porn, just to make sure he didn’t get aroused (he didn’t)
Oh no. I’d totally forgotten about the research phase of my self-discovery.
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Isn’t this the Nazi who said it was gay to have sex with a woman? We all certainly knew there was some sort of sexual complex. I wouldn’t say I knew he wanked to gay porn prior to this, but I’m not at all surprised, either.
More precisely, he said you should only do it to have as many kids as possible, and that enjoying it “would be gay”
All reactionary politics is sexual pathology example #349598927
I’m not a big fan of this line of thinking, because it very quickly leads into “Every homophobe is a closeted homosexual”, which is some genuinely insane levels of victim blaming when you actually think about it. Are we seriously going to suggest that queer people are to blame for our own oppression? And for that matter, if homophobia is only enacted by closeted queer people, then what made them closeted in the first place? In a world where no straight person is every homophobic, no queer person would ever have felt any shame about who they are.
Are we seriously going to suggest that queer people are to blame for our own oppression?
No…?
I’ve never seen anyone make this claim.
It makes some sense that the people who violently bottle up all of their impulses, who are then the most unhappy about it, just to fit in with their right wing community are then the ones who A) think about it the most often, and B) imagine that the “devil’s temptation” and the repression thereof is normal for most people, when it really isn’t.
—But this isn’t the same as saying that only gay people are homophobic. It’s just a kind of pathology that leads to being the most militant about it. You end up working the hardest to fit in because you’re the most at risk of losing that.
But even more than that, I’m not sure I believe straightness is really “real.” If everyone is “a little bit queer”, and conservatives are the only ones rejecting that, then this is just an indication that their ideas don’t really pan out. They would claim straightness is normal, default, but they can’t hold themselves to it; it’s not actually possible.
So, those are two different answers to the one problem you’ve put forward, but in either case, or neither, I don’t really see this as the gays attacking themselves. The right wing is just kinda wack, you know?
If you’ve never seen anyone make the claim that every homophobe is a closeted homosexual, then congratulations, welcome to the Internet, this must be a really exciting first day for you.
And if you read it a little more carefully, you’ll notice that I was not accusing the previous commenter of making that claim. I said that their argument felt dangerously close to making that claim. It’s important to interrogate the implications of our arguments, even (in fact, especially) when they’re made in jest or for the purposes of mockery. It’s all too easy to get ourselves into mindsets that seem reasonable, but actually have really dangerous implications.
If you’ve never seen anyone make the claim that every homophobe is a closeted homosexual
No. This one:
queer people are to blame for our own oppression
This is a dangerous implication, but I don’t see it being made. In this thread. And elsewhere. I don’t see people, even conservatives, making this accusation.
Because no one makes that accusation directly. I’m really trying not to be a dick here, but you do know what “implication” means, right?
If every homophobe is a closeted queer person then that automatically implies that homophobia is only perpetuated by queer people. That’s not what people think they’re saying when they make that claim, but it is the only logical conclusion.
And just because you didn’t think about the implications of something, doesn’t change the fact that they’re there.
Your interpretation implies that the queer element of the oppressive queer conservative is the more substantive one.
I think most people correctly recognize it is the conservative element that is the more oppressive one.
I think even conservatives recognize this because the only time they don’t want credit for the nasty things they do is when they’d get in trouble. They like the oppression. They want the credit.
So, you are hearing people blame queer people. And I am hearing them blame conservatives.
A queer person is fine. Naturally. A queer conservative, well… what happened, right?
The fear you have then, I suppose, is that someone might hear the word “queer” or “lgbt” and think “Ah. You must be a conservative. Too bad you banned gay marriage for yourselves, hm?”, which is something I’m really trying to impress on you here: does not grok with me.
I don’t see this implication you’re worried about being reinforced—that means reflected in the other things people do and say—because this idea of the self-inflicted wound is not useful to anyone’s political ends.
Granted, maybe someday in the future, conservatives will try to use ideas like this to absolve themselves, the same way holocaust denial works.
But today, I only see people pointing out a strong hypocrisy among the conservative community. One that is conservative-self imposed: by living so inauthentically, they are placing themselves into a pressure cooker.
And further, because the ideal conservative lifestyle is so strict, as authoritarians are won’t to do, everyone is placed in this pressure cooker.
Heterosexuality, a different sexual pathology, is expressed very conservatively in the incel community.
Like, on some level, you are arguing against the adage “everything is about sex, and sex is about power,” which, as far as I know, is pretty well regarded. It’s not a secret that the right wing is insanely insecure.
I am sorry to have gotten a bit condescending here, but then I should be asking why you are giving me lessons on subtext.
I’ve looked at your comment history, you seem like a smart person. I don’t really understand where this is coming from.
If all black birds are ravens, then if a bird is black, by definition it is a raven.
If all homophobes are queer, then by definition all homophobia is enacted by people who are queer.
Therefore, the statement “every homophobe is a closeted queer person” automatically excludes all straight people from being capable of homophobia. The moment a straight person does something homophobic, they must, according to this line of thinking, actually be a closeted queer person.
And while the intent is to point out conservative hypocrisy, the effect, very subtly, is to craft a universe where straight people are absolved of any culpability for the existence of homophobia. It becomes, by definition, a queer problem.
I am not arguing against any of the things you seem to think I’m arguing against, nor am I making any of the points you seem to think I’m making. Everything in your previous comment is a response to an invention that exists solely in your head. I am making the point that I have just stated, as plainly as it is possible to state it. If you’re still not getting it, sit back, have a cup of coffee, and read it again.
Strawman argument and stupid
Please learn what that term actually means.
Historically the church and then law made them closeted in the first place!
It wasn’t always abnormal for (wealthy) men to have male concubines or lovers- until the Abrahamic religions that is
The cool thing about (religious) propaganda is it doesn’t have to be true, it’s only biased on faith. Faith that these white men know the divine and will stop you from having a fearful afterlife. They don’t need proof, just faith. Few people get butthurt no one wants to hurt their butts and they ban it for everyone
I think usually when I see that idea, is more along the lines of “doth protest too much, methinks.” A lot of the most vocal homophobes are at least slightly bi or at least seem to like either , partly just because of how common being at least slightly bi is and they go out of their way to deny it. That can be true and still much more casual homophobia by straight people can still be the most common source of homophobia and what pushes people to extremes in their denial. But I also wonder if the argument is sometimes made in hopes of making people afraid of being too homophobic in fear of being seen as gay.
it very quickly leads into “Every homophobe is a closeted homosexual”, which is some genuinely insane levels of victim blaming when you actually think about it.
I was being intentionally hyperbolic for comedic effect rather than trying to be totally nuanced.
There’s plenty of examples of people who are outwardly liberal being homophobic- it happens all the time towards people who are seen as ‘not on their team’ ie how often Democrats (online, comedians, etc) will mock someone like lindsey graham because he’s a bit queeny.
You also see it when liberals do stuff like portray Putin and Trump kissing because men kissing bad, right?
To be clear, this wasn’t a “call out” or whatever the fuck the kids call it now. I just think it’s really important to always interrogate the implications of our arguments. Things we say in jest can still reinforce dangerous or damaging ideas.
Shame is a hell of a motivator
Thins are not as discreet as that.
Methinks the computer protests too much. How’d conservatives make a gay chat bot?
Not very surprising, right? He was once basically on a date with a guy, and a lot of times has he talked about how the company of other men is his preference. Sure, just some usual rightwing misogony, bit there always seemed to be something else there too.
