Conveniences, automation, safety plans, etc. Everyone loves winging it and having piles of chores, but then they complain about life being hard, but then they don’t change anything
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All of you writing cogent arguments and being philosophical should step back and realize this whole thread is an unpaid advertisement for amazon subscription groceries written by someone who thinks they were saved by a job there.
I don’t think i was saved. I was saved.
And it’s not only about subscribe & save, but other solutions. I just feel super alone like everyone wants to have hours of chores instead of making them easier. There are solutions that cost nothing, like having an easy routine or combining a chore with something you do every day. Like, just taking out the trash earlier in the day costs nothing. But family insists on keeping themselves awake waiting until 11:59:59PM to take out the trash which takes hours because one person keeps over-overbuying produce and never using it all. Like, buy less of it, and take out the trash earlier. That SAVES money for fucks sake
I just feel super alone like everyone wants to have hours of chores instead of making them easier.
Why do you care about how other people choose to spend doing their chores? You seem angry for things that don’t affect you. Focus on your own life.
They agree with that family’s mother.
Because all those nice-to-haves and conveniences in vehicles make it harder and more costly to repair.
Today a classmate showed me the mechanism for the gas door opener her company manufactures (assembles). It’s a bunch of rods, a motor, a control board, springs, cables, etc, that run throughout the vehicle.
The fuel door on my '99 Cherokee?
A hinge and a spring.This is obviously one small example but i feel that this example of over-engineering for very little benefit extrapolates well.
Imagine just not having a vehicle lol imagine spending less than $1000 once and being able to get around oh right that’s horrible we should buy huge metal boxes that require government licenses that cost so much, and fuel that costs oh so much, and complain about not having money. Right, that bitch on a bike is the reason why you have no money, not the fact you spend ten times the amount you accuse young people of spending on Starbucks on an inferior travel method. A developed country is not where the poor have cars, it’s where the rich use public transit.
Wow, you’re miserable. Good chat.
You would flatten a child to wait in a McDonald’s drive thru a minute earlier but I’m miserable on my scooter and bike okay sure Jan. Imagine riding a bike in a park, that’s so horrible, you should ride a fake bike with a video of a park instead. Those TVs should have fake wind as well. And while you’re at it, project a fake window gif onto your wall. Cars ruin cities.
It is absolutely not safe to ride a bike in my city. I live in a third world country and the roads are not lit well, and the busses ride in the bike lanes as if they were not there.
In fact, the bike lane on the cities main road through the city put the turning lanes in the bike lanes, so good luck not getting hit by a car from behind.
Honestly in my area cyclists are hated more than Osama bin Laden so I can sort of relate to it being unsafe. I know being in a car would be way worse for my mental health though. Do what’s safe and easiest, and never forget what car companies stole from you. Cars ruined your city, so big companies can get more money. Big companies selling an inferior travel method. Cars are primitive, reliable eco friendly public transit is the future.
I opened the thread thinking, “this has to be a bait post where the op just soapboxes about how much better at life they are than everyone else, and argues with literally everyone offering perspective” and I’m glad to see I was not wrong! Boy if your replies aren’t some of the least self aware, most elitist stuff I’ve seen here so far.
I dunno man, why doesn’t everyone with actual problems just ahh, buy an Android phone, learn how to program or do whatever the hell else you think everyone should be doing to just simply live the obviously better life that you have?
Oh wait, not everyone has the same opportunities as everyone else, and so not only may these options be unavailable to a lot of people, they may also be completely useless in solving someone’s difficult life.
You sound like a Tech Bro in their early twenties who landed a sweet job out of college (that they didn’t pay for) and wonders why people choose to be homeless. And before you try to correct me, that’s what you sound like, so unless that’s the persona you wanna give off, maybe try to listen to what people are saying instead of trying to find out how they’re wrong.
Do you really think people with “difficult lives” are so stressed out because they forgot to take the garbage out multiple times? Seriously? Christ 😂
Good its not just me.
Thank god my smart phone can spell sanctimonious for me, its made my life so much easier.
I opened the thread thinking, “this has to be a bait post where the op just soapboxes about how much better at life they are than everyone else, and argues with literally everyone offering perspective” and I’m glad to see I was not wrong! Boy if your replies aren’t some of the least self aware, most elitist stuff I’ve seen here so far.
bruh what. I’m just traumatized, not elitist.
I dunno man, why doesn’t everyone with actual problems just ahh, buy an Android phone, learn how to program or do whatever the hell else you think everyone should be doing to just simply live the obviously better life that you have?
That’s ONE solution out of countless. I’m saying anyone can make a solution that works for themselves whether it’s tech based or not.
Oh wait, not everyone has the same opportunities as everyone else, and so not only may these options be unavailable to a lot of people, they may also be completely useless in solving someone’s difficult life.
Everyone has the opportunity to improve their lives. If you’re working and making money then you can make your life exactly the way you want it to be. It takes time and effort, yeah, but it’s not impossible.
You sound like a Tech Bro in their early twenties who landed a sweet job out of college (that they didn’t pay for) and wonders why people choose to be homeless. And before you try to correct me, that’s what you sound like, so unless that’s the persona you wanna give off, maybe try to listen to what people are saying instead of trying to find out how they’re wrong.
Nah I’m a 27 year old who was locked away for 20 years, and I’ve only got to live and experience life for 3 years. I landed a sweet job at ✨ Amazon ✨ I do love technology (well, technology that isn’t stupid) and I think “homeless” should mean primarily renting an apartment. Having zero shelter shouldn’t have a word, it shouldn’t be a thing.
Do you really think people with “difficult lives” are so stressed out because they forgot to take the garbage out multiple times? Seriously? Christ 😂
That was quite literally my family. Or, is. Is my family. Yet they refuse to just… Take out the trash earlier so they don’t need to remember right before they sleep like the countless months of consecutive weeks of forgetting. They complain about having no time for anything but refuse to order online instead of going to two Targets, two Costcos, Bj’s, Walmart, Stop & Shop, Walgreens, Aldi, Lidl, and five international stores in the same day for fifteen hours, back to back Saturday and Sunday, and having to wait until Monday night to sleep. You know, to buy the same things you could buy from Amazon or from those stores as a delivery order. There are other things they can do that they just don’t do, and blame me, the person wanting things to be easier, for ALL of the problems caused by them not wanting to change because God didn’t make lazy people. God STILL didn’t drop a tree on me or kill me with lightning like I demand every day. Stop trying to impress a concept.
Do you realize that every bit of your comment just validated everything the other person said?
Bro I’m fucking insane
Personally, I find “rough living” a helluva lot easier than the “convenient” world we have built. At least shit makes sense when you have to grow/hunt your own food, build your own shelter, etc. I would prefer to have to do all that, than the kinds of things I have to do in order to eat, have clothing and shelter, etc in society.
I’ve read the whole threads. I am interested in a brief, short summary of what you have automated. If I’ve read correctly, you hate going to the grocery, so this is automated? How? What else is automated?
I buy all my groceries with Amazon Subscribe and Save. I don’t get a lot of fresh/frozen stuff, and when I do, it’s usually unnecessary things I wanted like ice cream. I’ll gladly ride a scooter to a supermarket for exactly one ice cream quart and nothing else, spending literally 6 minutes including standing on the self checkout line and purchasing.
My light turns off automatically 5 minutes after the time I depart for work, if it’s on at that time.
My fan, heater, and wax warmer are connected to Alexa on my fire TV and phone. The wax warmer is on a smart plug and automatically turns off after 5 hours.
I take out MY trash when leaving for the gym. MY trash is already gathered in one bag, so taking it out and putting in a new bag is just an extra minute. I do this only when leaving for the gym and NOT work, so life is easier. Getting to the gym a minute late is not an issue, getting to the train station a minute late can mean I can’t make it to work. Obviously I don’t leave that late, BUT if I do, I still make it without forgetting to take out trash.
I put my clothes in the washer before getting in the shower, and put it in the dryer before departing for the gym. This way, when I come back from the gym, I can bring my laundry back into my bedroom and hang it up (the most effort). And now I have zero chores to do for the rest of the week, I can work in peace, come home and do nothing (after successfully escaping family who refuses to listen to me)
Sounds like you eat trash. Most of what I buy from the grocery store is fresh or frozen, pretty much everything else is a slow boring flavorless heavy salted death. I haven’t found a service that can automate my grocery shopping to my satisfaction and frankly I wouldn’t want to. My weekly meal planning happens in the vegetable department based on what in season, available locally, looks appetizing, etc.
It also sounds like you live alone, not having to contend with other people’s changing schedules and laundry needs.
You’re automated “easy” life sounds like an empty void. I’m not convinced you’re “living” your life at all, just killing time.
Honestly I eat restaurant food most of the time as I don’t live alone and cooking while living with family is harder than fist fighting a polar bear while having no arms. It’s either trash like taco bell (nothing else is open) or healthier locally owned things/“fancy” places.
When I live alone I’ll use Amazon Fresh for fresh and frozen stuff or probably try a service like Factor.
No one does their laundry, or is awake, between 1 and 6 in the morning I realized. And if I miss that window there is another where no one is at home, but I prefer to be home when They are out. I could do fresh delivery at that time to avoid The Family’s Wrath™ when I get groceries with 30 minutes of using my phone and unload them into my mini fridge in 5 minutes which is So Unfair!!! because they have to spend over 24 hours for the same result.
I’m living as much as I can with family. When I cut ties I’ll live to the fullest. But now, aside from saving and overtime, my goals are launching some shopify side hustles, making some games, going to the gym on my off days, and climbing the amazon corporate ladder while also doing free college through their program. Then I’ll do a lot more hobbies, more than making and playing games lol. I want to get into streaming… games. And more.
Because a human who doesn’t move their body becomes miserable and unhealthy. Zero is not a good level of activity.
Yeah because you move your body sooooo much sitting in a car and walking slower than a newborn snail in Costco, instead of working out at a gym, walking at a park, playing Just Dance, walking your dog, etc.
Automating labor without ensuring it doesn’t impact people’s ability to obtain needs and wants is objectively worse than them continuing to work
I’m not talking about work as in jobs, I’m talking about housework. Everyone has at least five jobs, taking care of their home is four of them.
I’ll complain endlessly about the state of modern society, with social media and constant screen bombardment. But the other day:
The dishwasher was running.
The robovac was running.
The washing machine and dryer were running.
The magic litter box was cleaning itself.
I sat back and cracked a beer.
Yes, this is the way. Watch TV. Play a game. Play an instrument. Sleep. Write stories. Draw. Do online courses. Make a game. Create jewelry. Visit a park. Lay around and do nothing. LIVE. Why spend this time manually doing what a mindless robot can do?
Now go further. Use Amazon Subscribe & Save to buy non-Fresh groceries automatically every month. It can be set as frequent as every week to every 6 months. Set and forget. Sell your car. Spend more time for yourself instead of trying to impress God.
Eh. Fuck Amazon and fuck Jeff Bezos. Use your free time to go to a farmers market and buy staples from somebody who’s not a shithead.
Use my free time to go to a farmers market to buy produce from finance bros who bought from costco and are selling it at a markup acting like they’re “foreign” alongside “handmade” jewelry bought in bulk from Temu and AliExpress? I’d rather use the service that gave me a job and the opportunity to grow even more. I didn’t need a degree or diploma to work at Amazon. (I graduated high school, it’s just that the diploma has a gross embarrassing ugly birth name that I wish to cut out of my life) I didn’t need references or anything else that would have brought my horrible past into relevancy. And I’ll be able to take college courses all free, and I get $$$ this holiday season on TOP of overtime pay. All of this opportunity given to me, a rando who went to hiring.amazon.com and picked up an available shift. I have no merit. (well I do but I hide it lol) I’m a loser. A mistake. Scum. Yet I’m making $22/hour bringing in $1000 a week after taxes with 55 hours. Tell me more about this shithead who is much worse than actual scammers on the street manipulating your empathy to sell overpriced “organic” “fresh picked” produce bought from costco.
A ton of automation and ‘convenience’ being sold is terribly thought out or makes life more complex than not having it.
Smart bulbs are way more work to set up than they are worth for me, a light switch works fine. Cruise control is nice, but lane assist drives me nuts with all the false positives. Generally the overwhelming number of chores comes from just having too many things in the first place.
Fewer, simpler operating things are more enjoyable for me than a lot of complex automated things that don’t do what I want them to do.
I have smart switches, mostly because I’m a tinkerer and build and repair things for fun. I work in IT, so I don’t trust any of this. But the switches work like normal for people not used to it. While I also have a button that turns all the lights off in the whole house at once.
My main automations are basically timers. They turn lights on and off at sunrise/down. And one that turns on my backdoor lights when my garage door opens.
As for cars, I totally agree. Adaptive cruise control is the extent of the smart I want in a car. I’ve had too many false positives where the car will automatically apply the brakes when it didn’t need to. And not once where I was in danger of crashing. Once on a bend in the road where a car was parked on the side and another where an RV had pulled to the side on a turn out to let people pass and the car freaked out because it didn’t realize the road turned.
I’ve also had it nudge the wheel too often when I’m purposely hugging one side of the lane because there is construction or a car on the side of the road.
I think automation in general has been in an awkward stage for a while, maybe analogous to adolescence or puberty. At some point our immediate world will become truly automated, able to sense what we need or want and provide it with very minimal setup and instruction, like a cocoon of personal convenience. Right now it’s more like a 19th century vision of a house of the future with pulleys and wires everywhere - we haven’t gotten rid of the pulleys and wires, we’ve just moved them into apps.
At some point our immediate world will become truly automated, able to sense what we need or want and provide it with very minimal setup and instruction
This will never happen for me because every single instance of ‘user friendly’ I can think of is the opposite of what I want. Yeah, I don’t notice the things that work, but I notice a lot of counter intuitive automation that does the opposite of what I want it to do.
A ton of automation and ‘convenience’ being sold is terribly thought out or makes life more complex than not having it.
Yeah, not EVERYTHING is an internet controlled dishwasher that locks up when updating so no one can hack it.
Smart bulbs are way more work to set up than they are worth for me, a light switch works fine.
Not everything is Philips Hue™®© overcomplicated overpriced nonsense with hubs and accounts and crap. Off brands are much easier. I love being able to just switch the light off from my phone without having to get up, and turn it on without needing to reach for a switch in the dark. Or better, have them turn on automatically at times I’d be needing them. Or have motion controlled lights that only turn on if motion is detected between sunset and sunrise times.
Cruise control is nice, but lane assist drives me nuts with all the false positives.
My electric scooter has that, and I don’t use it, seems too risky especially in an area where people without cars are hated more than literal terrorists.
Generally the overwhelming number of chores comes from just having too many things in the first place.
Not entirely wrong, but everyone manages to overcomplicate the simplest chores possible.
Fewer, simpler operating things are more enjoyable for me than a lot of complex automated things that don’t do what I want them to do.
The best automation solutions are the non-electric ones. It can be as simple as having an easy routine like only scooping cat litter whenever you use the toilet.
Your bottom line makes no sense. If you are scooping your cat litter it isn’t automation at all.
I think they’re saying you’ve mentally automated it by combining it with another activity. Offered as an example of the simplest type of “optimization mindset” that could be construed as automation.
I could be wrong, I don’t have a cat.
You’re correct.
If you like automation and don’t want to rely on the cloud (aka the big data corpos) then you could try our lord and saviour Home Assistant.
🙌 Praise Home Assistant 🙌
I don’t think people are, but the major factor is cost here - both in money and time. Getting a maid, a nanny, a dog walker, paying extra for delivery, paying for apps, more expensive automation products (e.g., hue) etc. etc.
All of this costs money, and a lot of time to research & test. Not everyone has that.
Some things are best done personally
Some, not all. In this day and age where technology exists, some things should just never be done.
Yeah but those aren’t the only choices available. Hue is literally the Cybertruck of smart lights. It’s fucking stupid. Instacart is counterproductive. You’re still tethered to a phone instead of just being able to relax or do something else like walk your own damn dog. Amazon fresh now costs more, but it’ll pay for itself when you’re not spending more than the monthly fee to buy gas to commute to a store to buy the same things for the same markup. And even if it costs more, time spent NOT doing something stressful is worth it. Ditch that stupid ass costco membership it’s fucking pointless buying bulk produce to eat less than 5% of and throw out the rest. Definitely worth commuting for hours! So stupid.
My first smart strip light required some research I quickly did when I impulse bought it for same day delivery. The WS2811 strip needed a compatible controller and the controller needed a power supply. Bought those three things so easily as a complete newbie, set it up with Alexa and my fire TV so I could control it with the TV remote and my phone and everything. The controller I had was ass though, was only hue (actual hue, not the brand) based with no saturation. I bought a WS2811 compatible Alexa compatible 16-million color controller for like $16, and now my strip has 16 million colors. Oh, and I never need to worry about leaving it on or turning it off. It turns off automatically 5 minutes after I leave for work if it’s on at the time.
This is a bit too vague for me, but I think some of what you mention sounds like inconvenience now for future convenience. For safety plan example, it’s mildly inconvenient for me to get my kit together (I live in an earthquake-heavy area and just outside the tsunami hazard zone), know locations and routes, etc. but you’d best believe that it’s better to pay that inconvenience now than flap if I do have to evacuate. I think timescales are important to think of (kinda like the RoI of your actions).
What are you talking about? Do you think convenience is free?
It costs the same amount as overcomplicated lives. And if you’re saving so much money by living on cup noodles and 4 hours of sleep a week, you wouldn’t have much time to use it.
I don’t know what you’re referring to. Most people love conveniences and automation. There are extremely few cases i can think of where people choose the hard way instead of the easy way when the results are the same.
Name some specific examples of what you’re talking about
I love to simplify my life, and add automation, but lately all of it is just more and more ads, more and more AI nonsense that doesn’t work, and the rest are half baked ideas that also don’t work half the time, so honestly, if things automation, I’ll keep my old fashioned life where I do more things which work fine and I don’t have stupid ads , clueless AI, or half-baked features that don’t really solve anything.
Huh?
We need to grind for a sense of pride and accomplishment.
They feel the need to grind. No one needs to grind.
