The IMPORTANT thing is to KEEP using RANDOM ass UPPERCASE in CLICKBAIT title SENTENCES. That is NOT at ALL irritating.
The most important part is to use MEANINGLESS HYPERBOLE like SLAMMED and EXPLOSIVE
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SPEAK UP BROTHER, I ONLY HEARD HALF OF WHAT YOU SAID!
WHAT?!
I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!
AYE AYE CAPTAIN!
WHAT?!
AYE AYE, CAPTAIN!
SAY “AYE AYE, CAPTAIN” AGAIN! I DARE YOU. I DOUBLE-DARE YOU! SAY “AYE AYE, CAPTAIN” ONE MORE GODDAMN TIME!
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Oh SHIT, his lawyer EXPLODED? With all the FEDERAL CUTS to staffing I WONDER, did they still have A JANITOR to clean her GUTS OFF THE WALLS?
Aunt Sally?
Did somebody hide your Facebook icon again? Oh, I’m talking about the Internet button that has the blue F on it.
Police misconduct allegations could unravel this case—constitutional rights aren’t optional.
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Continuing to pray for the Louisiana Supreme Court to all get lung cancer
BREAKING: We have an unexpected ruling from the United States Supreme Court today. In a 6-3 decision they have ruled… wait this is really it? They have ruled “Hold My Beer.”
Everyday police overreaching actually is a benefit for a change. Cool.
Everyday police overreaching actually is a benefit for a change. Cool.
- Broad public support for the killing of a CEO
- Suspect is a Chad
Most of crime never gets this spicy combo… Gonna be hard to shit on Luigi in court who ALLEGEDLY threw away what is considered peak AMERICA life.
At this point, most people don’t care if he walks even IF HE DID DO IT
At this point, most people don’t care if he walks even IF HE DID DO IT
I’d almost go so far as to say I’m looking forward to the OJ Simpson-esque “If I did it” book in 10 years.
“If I did it” book in 10 years.
stop… you getting me hot and bothered.
the poetic justice in such a fact pattern is palpable
oh I absolutely believe the allegation as plausible.
They NEEDED a fall guy for this and they NEEDED it to be so cut and dry that they could quickly make an example of him.
Even if Luigi DID do it? This is railroading for the sake of trying to scare everyone else to stay in place.
That’s the thing… Everyone is acting like this guy totally do it.
From the start I had my doubts. Something felt off.
The only thing I know is that the government needs somebody to go to prison over this. They don’t care who though. This is the culture of law enforcement, so not even specific to Luigi’s case.
So we have to believe that they found this dude in fucking McDonald’s with everything on him to get a conviction?!
But people are buying it… Sure he has support but they also believe that he is a the guy who committed the crime. And I am just not convinced.
Government behaviour around this case is suspect.
Feels too… Tidy really. Too much like something out of a movie. High profile murder. Killer found. Killer has clear motive and everything is found on or near the guy. Suspect makes statements that sound like something Killer would say in that position.
A line from the Running man comes to mind.
‘Once again proving Might and Right are one and the same!’
In reference to a fake staged fight where State Sponsored Execution Reality TV kills a stunt double digitally made to look like the fugitive of the moment that has been making a mockery of The System. very neat. very tidy. Also, very Bullshit.
Edit: For the sake of records. I do believe he did it. I just find it too… tidy that everything was on hand to immediately bring a trial rather than months of legwork to ensure an air tight case.
Shooting someone in the middle of new York and then getting caught shortly after is basicallly an expected outcome
shortly after
doing a lot of heavy lifting here lol
Imagine if it’s actually not him, and the real guy was able to get away because nobody’s looking any more.
That would be hilarious if he gets convicted and the next day another shooting happens with the same guy on camera again.
Oh my God imagine if the new CEO gets executed the next day.
If that is actually the case it would be really funny.
he is-a the guy
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It’s entirely possible he’s just not the criminal mastermind everyone thinks he is.
Certainly possible, but not proven.
I believe they call it Security Theatre
He had the gun on him
We don’t know that. What we know is that the police searched him and his bag at the McDonalds, without properly reading him his Miranda rights before questioning him.
There is no indication that they found the gun or journal at this point in time.
They then arrested him, packed up his bag and took it to the station, where a subsequent search found the journal and gun.
Additionally, the Mayor and police chief released discovery evidence to an HBO documentary, but apparently not to Luigi’s defense lawyers… completely tainting the potential jury pool while making it clear that the prosecution is withholding evidence from the defense.
There’s a whole lot here that doesn’t pass the smell test. If it’s a frame up, why this guy in particular? And if it’s not a frame up, why the obvious attempt to hide what they have from the defense?
i think that he likely did do it, but the FBI used an illegal surveillance technique to catch him - my guess is facial recognition through hacked security cameras. Exposing this technique would be contrary to the bureau’s interests. I don’t see any reason why Luigi would have the gun on him, or the journal after the shooting, so I’m really questioning the validity of that evidence - I mean it’s murder 101 to get rid of the weapon, and unless you want to be caught, you don’t carry around written evidence on your person saying “Hey, I’m gonna shoot this guy”.
So yeah, there’s a whole lot here that doesn’t add up.
People are too willing to accept the narrative.
Sure narrative is decent but state still has to prove that he actually did so they spent a lot of time litigating this in media which backfired spectacularly.
I am not sure how this trial can even be fair now between people supporting him while state overplayed its hand.
Where will they find this mythical impartial jury? Go back in time?
hE hAd tHe gUn oN hIm
How would it benefit the rich to have the real killer running lose while a random guy goes to jail??
This is the weirdest conspiracy so far.
It’s him, he did it, and praise him for doing it, he’s a legend. Neither he or his lawyers are denying it.
It’s super weird that people on the Internet are insisting it isn’t him
Oh I ABSOLUTELY am of the belief that it is him. However, I find it strange that so much proof was supposedly found on him to the point that he might as well have been standing in time’s square shouting that he did it. There was no need to backtrace through his history, go through his home, interview friends or family. It was all There.
That is what strikes me as … too convenient.
They don’t want to go to the trouble of having this long drawn out process. They want thier gunman handed on a silver platter both to please the corporate overlords, and to show that they are competent.
…when they are anything but.
Oh for sure they fucked around and made sure to plant as much shit to make sure he doesn’t get away with it, there’s definitely corruption around his case but yeah it’s him
The rich could have already discovered the real culprit and assassinated him quietly, rather than risk technicalities in court.
And if Luigi gets off on a technicality in court, the message isn’t sent. Putting up a fall guy while assassinating the “real” culprit quietly is nonsensical, especially because if Luigi is a fall guy (he isn’t), that increases the likelihood that he gets off and ruins the whole thing.
oh I ABSOLUTELY believe Luigi did it.
I just find it strange that everything to convict him was conveniently close to hand. The immediacy of it all feels like something out of a police proceedural more so than documented cases where it takes weeks or months even when it is fairly clear who did what so a case can be built.
But that wouldn’t send a message to keep the poor in line
That’s why the fall guy, let’s the cops save face as well
Can you hear yourself?
Not that I buy the fall guy conspiracy, but getting someone, anyone quickly could stop the copycats. They’re more worried about him being a trend setter then a repeat offender.
Not the rich, but politicians, police leadership, and DAs.
They don’t want to talk about how murders can go unsolved and crime unpunished in the cities they manage and protect.
They want to demonstrate that when they show up in force they are able to quickly solve a crime and bring a criminal to justice. One, so they can keep getting elected and two so that others don’t think they can get away with committing crimes.
The DA will want to push a conviction so that they look tough on crime for their political campaigns. Often times withholding evidence that might harm their case.
I don’t know if it happened in this case, but it has happened before where police will railroad a suspect to get a conviction even if there is clear evidence they couldn’t have committed the crime.
How insane would it be if he got off due to a technicality. Not holding my breath, but here’s hoping.
Civil rights aren’t a technicality. If he ‘got off’ it would be a victory for everyone who enjoys not being harassed by police.
On the flip side, if they illegally discover evidence but can prove an alternative, legal, way it could be discovered it becomes admissible. That’s sometimes why they do it.
It has a word too, something like Alternative Reconstruction. I used to know the term.
“parallel construction” or “evidence laundering”
“buttering the goose”
Not really that insane. Cops are mostly useless and fuck shit up all the time.
Mostly. Have a look at this chart to see their real impact.
10/10
Alec Baldwin got off because of screw-ups like this. Seems like when there’s a high profile case, all the big shots who normally don’t do any work all want to jump in and be involved. And then make stupid mistakes because they don’t have any real experience because they’re normally too important to work a case.
I bet prosecutor fucked up on purpose lol
Good money to be made when you hook up a guy like that. That’s how careers have been made.
It may be a great way for the state to avoid a “not guilty” verdict.
His getting off a technicality doesn’t make it clear he has support.
Really appears like they planted a backpack full of evidence on this innocent person, cops were desperate for a win
Then botched his 4th Amendment rights and will likely get away with it becuase government needs him in prison for this to make the parasite class happy
Republican judges have been itching to do away with the exclusionary rule. It’s not written into the Constitution.
The 4th prohibits unlawful search and seizure but doesn’t specify a remedy. The exceptions practically swallow the rule as it is now; attenuation of the taint, good faith, public safety, independent source, inevitable discovery, to name a few.
As a non lawyer reading that list of exceptions, it sounds like it will be easy for the prosecutors to get a few to apply?
Yeah, most likely.
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Which was?
“Hack the planet!”
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“It’s completely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of the American people”? Comes up if you search Luigi Mangione shouting
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Pretty revealing that you remember him yelling something that proved his guilt to you but you don’t remember what it was.
Maybe examine your own biases and what kind of track record law enforcement has with regards to respecting individual rights and the presumption of innocence.
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That sounds exactly like something an innocent person would say to me.
It (my arrest and trial for murder) is completely unjust (because I am innocent) and an insult to the intelligence of the American people (because there was is no real evidence)
I think it’s wildly optimistic with regards to the intelligence of the American people, but it’s a totally plausible thing to say.
it makes complete sense to most of us, because it IS an insult to our intelligence that the cops think we will believe Luigi did it after the way this was handled.
He is going to regret that for a long time. If he had screamed “I didn’t do it” instead, he would probably be out already.
What is he regretting specifically?
“It’s completely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of the American people”?
Yes, because it’s a sign of guilt for most of the population and it greatly diminishes the possibility of it being a set up, or at least a jury being persuaded that it was.
I think what he did was praise worthy but it’s going to be very hard to get out of it and he definitely didn’t do himself any favors with the outburst.
it’s a sign of guilt for most of the population
What are you basing this opinion on?
Do we even know in what context the phrase was being used?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BVvq2Znhqwk
The context where he is being accused of killing a Healthcare CEO and blurts out exactly what someone that killed a Healthcare CEO would say.
I love the guy but common, you gotta be realistic about it.
Or what you might yell if an implausibly convenient stash of evidence had been planted on you?
That isn’t my takeaway, at all.
blurts out exactly what someone that killed a Healthcare CEO would say
Gonna need some sources and context on that one, Ace.
So what’s happened here is you’ve formed a strong opinion, had some minor confirmation at some point, and projected that opinion onto everyone else as if they agree with you.
They don’t.Sure, some might, but generally people are trying to figure out if you are a troll or just stupid.
I’m so confused by this he didn’t say “I’m glad the CEO is dead” he said “my arrest was unjust”
What is so incriminating about that?
Remember the eye brows on the photos. That is not Luigi in the photos!
This is such a weird ass conspiracy that even Luigi and his lawyers aren’t denying it’s him, yet people on Lemmy are. Wtf
As far as I know, the lawyers have not confirmed that it is him.
But in any case, that’s beside the point of the “weird ass conspiracy”. To spell it out a bit more clearly, the actual idea is that there is “not enough evidence” to convict - because he should not be convicted. (In a jury trial, you cannot just say “guilty, but should be unpunished”; but you can say “not guilty, due to insufficient evidence”.)
I trust u bro
I really don’t care what anyone says, I will not reject the evidence of my eyes and ears. The guy who did the praxis, the guy who was smiling in that security footage, and Luigi Mangione are very clearly three different people.
Photos on the internet are not facts as seen by your eyes just fyi, no more than a picture of Gandalf proves the existence of wizards
Are you suggesting that New York Police Department doctored the photo of that guy smiling to make him not look like Luigi???
Its a different person my guy
There is zero chance any judge going to exclude the conviction starter package the “police found on him”
You don’t go through all of that parallel construction to have it gutted like that.
Trust me bro a guy who shot the parasite CEO decided to carry all of the evidence needed for conviction on him for 5 days 🤡
Did he, though?
The longer the case goes on the less convinced I am that he was actually the killer. It feels like there’s a new “weird” thing about the case every week.
This situation is not in the slightest weird and your only example of normal is tv
nothing that has happened in the case has been weird to you? Not even the parading him around like he is a super villain? Not that they found him with literally every possible piece of evidence they could need to have a slam dunk case.
I have followed a couple of the cases and usually they play out a lot less like TV than this one has so far.
Hard to say tbh, we are going to be getting biased information from either side. How much is really true?
It’s not entirely out of the question, but it does require considerable evidence. It’s possible that he carried it so that it wouldn’t be left somewhere as evidence, until he could get somewhere that he could safely destroy it.
That said, there are some pretty gaping holes with that explanation that would need to be filled first.
I am pretty sure I could dispose of a gun in less than 5 days.
Just gotta throw it in a random residential garbage can on garbage pick up day and walk off without anyone suspicious seeing.
There’s a lot of ring cameras out there and there was a manhunt going on. You gotta remember that this dude needed to not be seen. By cameras or otherwise.
I would say he should have broken the evidence apart into smaller pieces. If the gun was 3D printed, I’m assuming he knows how to disassemble it. Dispose of each peice in a different public garbage can. Once again though, this involves going out in public a lot of times during a man hunt.
Or put it all in that one backpack, find a place where you can make a burn barrel, and set it all of fire.
Or fill the bag with some cement and throw it into a body of water.
People have been disposing of evidence for years. Keeping it all on you for 5 days, having a “manifesto” that admits guilt, and then pleading Not Guilty is suspect as fuck.
Go hiking, bury parts in remote locations away from the path.
Any number of thousands of dumpsters between NY and PA would have worked fine.
It’s entirely possible he’s that stupid.
Please be true
