• Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
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    18 days ago

    Unwashed Chicken is totally safe if you do this one amazing trick.

    Cook it properly.

    If you don’t know how to do that by sight or touch then buy yourself a instant read thermometer.

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      17 days ago

      Washed chicken won’t be any safer if it’s undercooked, salmonella isn’t a surface only danger, so you can remove the “unwashed” part at the beginning.

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        15 days ago

        Washed chicken is a stupid concept, I was including the unwashed part because that is the default state of uncooked chicken.

        Unless you accidentally drop a chicken on the floor and don’t want to waste it, there isn’t a reason to wash it.

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          I often wash my beef and pork with a vinegar mixture called mustard then scrub it with a dry abrasive spice mix before I put it on a smoker for a few hours before searing the outside for a few minutes.

          I don’t know how I survived before these meat washing times.

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    17 days ago

    ITT: people who undercook their chicken think that washing is what’s saving them when in reality, washing your chicken only enables a host of cross-contamination issues. Congratulations for turning your sink into a biohazard facility.

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      17 days ago

      Rinsing and scrubbing will spread micro droplets a lot further than your sink.

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      17 days ago

      Red meat can be eaten rare, because even if the inside is raw, it’s not usually contaminated by anything dangerous, while chicken meat has to be throughly cooked because it’s the opposite… So washing the outside is useless.

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        17 days ago

        Only if it’s a slab of meat, like a steak. Ground meat mixes up all those contaminants, so unless you grind it yourself from a slab with the outsides cut off (still iffy), cook your ground meat thoroughly (medium well is probably enough). You can get away with a sear on pretty fresh steak though.

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          17 days ago

          And then there are the Germans, eating raw ground pork on a bun.
          It seems, you can get away with raw meat, if you buy it freshly ground from the butcher.

          Edit: wrong kind of meat

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            17 days ago

            On a bun? That’s Mett and it’s pork. Yes, ground raw pork. It’s quite tasty. Sprinkle of onion usually.

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            17 days ago

            Yeah, as long as the equipment is sterile, and the edges with the bacteria are removed. That’s not happening at your local grocery store.

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              17 days ago

              I buy my filet américain at my local grocery store. It is made of a beef/pork mix (the fancier the more beef) and usually has an expiry date of T+2 days thanks to the added preservatives.

              Industrially processing raw meat is perfectly doable, much to the Americans’ utter disbelief. Belgium has entire specialized industrial supply chains for the massive local demand of raw ground meat bread spread.

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                17 days ago

                Certainly, it’s just a lot more work than the less sanitary “chuck the extra meat into the grinder” method we use here.

                I’d love to try that raw beef spread BTW. I’ve had beef sashimi before, and it was great.

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            I’m Italian and I caught toxoplasmosis eating raw sausage ground meat as a kid, sooo…

            But I did that for a long time before anything happened.

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      17 days ago

      Yeah, I remember seeing some clip of some British science woman and whatever, washing chicken is not only fucking dumv, but a great way to spread bacteria

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        Yea, there was a short series a few years ago with a cute blonde (hey, she gets guys to watch).

        She visited a lab and demonstrated very clearly why washing chicken is a bad idea.

        And how much difference soap makes when washing your hands, especially after handling something like chicken.

        She also covered a bunch of chemical uage from the Victorian era.

        Wish I could remember the show name for you.

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          she gets guys to watch

          Can confirm, I clicked on NBTV and Eric Talks Money because the girl be cute, and I stayed because the info is good. I’m happily married, and can confirm it absolutely works. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same works on women and people of other genders and sexual orientations with the respective gender.

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            17 days ago

            Yea, from what I’ve read attractive folks hold our attention better, and attractive women do more so, for both men and women.

            Something in the way we’re wired.

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        17 days ago

        Are you crazy? I’ve been seasoning that thing for years, I don’t want to ruin it by washing it!

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          17 days ago

          No I don’t disinfect it just like I don’t disinfect my dishes. I wash my dishes (those that cannot be machine washed) and after I am finished I wash the sink.

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        17 days ago

        Why wash the chicken then wash the sink and surrounding area when you can just not rinse the chicken and cook it without issue?

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          17 days ago

          Washing the sink is just part of the washing dishes or making food in general. Sink will get dirt anyway. Do you just leave it dirty and grimy all the time?

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              Floor is not part of making food. Sink is where the non-dishwasher stuff is washed to be food safe.

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      17 days ago

      Didn’t watch the video, but I have a degree in this field. We were taught to always wash chicken, in a separate room. I was given an earful one time when I was working at the kindergarten kitchen when I forgot to wash chicken thoroughly.

      Edit: I should notice, all my comments apply to a factory setting and business grade kitchens. Multiple people corrected me that cooking at home is different and you should not wash your chicken at home kitchen.

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          17 days ago

          Degree is in Food production technology. Sanitation, safety of preparation and storage. Before cooking, meat can go all over working place, and it can contaminate it if not washed.

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            17 days ago

            Sounds like you maybe learned about food preparation in a factory setting, which is different than in a kitchen setting.

            Per USDA and CDC guidelines, you shouldn’t wash poultry before cooking because you’re more likely to spread any contamination, you’re unlikely to remove contamination that’s present since it’s not like it just lives on top of the tissue, and it’s already been washed during processing.

            Obviously if you’re the party doing the actual processing for distribution then things are different since you need to remove potential traces of feces, dirt or other surface contamination.

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              17 days ago

              Yes, I think there was a miscommunication. You’re correct about the factory setting.

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                Maybe your should edit your previous messages to mention that it doesn’t apply to a kitchen environment so you don’t spread disinformation.

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          17 days ago

          I’m inclined to trust my professors that had years of experience, rather than someone off the internet.

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            The FDA doesn’t recommend it, and I am more inclined to trust them instead of a single professor. If you really do it in a different room there should be not be any contamination, but in my opinion it is bad practice anyway. It’s much safer just to cook the chicken to the right temperature. But maybe you can point us in the right direction if this should be handled differently in bigger kitchens, like you said.

            Source: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/food-safety-tips-healthy-holidays#:~:text=Do not rinse raw meat,around the sink and countertops.

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              I mean, the more you handle it, the higher the chance of contamination, so if you just chuck it in the pan…

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              They’re only correct because they’re referring to a very specific situation that, for all intents and purposes, is completely wrong for any situation the average person will encounter.

              So no, they’re wrong from a consumer perspective but right in factory conditions. So no matter what their professors say, don’t listen to this person because you’re not cooking in factory conditions.

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                I meant, out of context, that listening to your professors rather than internet randoms is the correct position to hold.

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                  Yeah, I don’t disagree with that so long as the particular context is included when being passed off as normal in specific conditions. It was not mentioned that the professor stated this was for mass production and the comment was provided in a context that invalidated what they said. In context, without the edit, the professor’s advice is immaterial to the discussion and only serves to spread misinformation on proper hygienic practices.

                  But to the overall point, this is why you don’t listen to random people on the Internet! Sometimes you get told facts that are only true for very specific edge cases that are bandied about as general advice with the weight of ‘i have a degree’ as confidence even though the advice is objectively wrong in the provided context.

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        I dunno who taught you that, or what dipshit was running a school that allowed it, but the bare fact that it is not only unnecessary, but potentially dangerous, has been known for decades.

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        always wash chicken, in a separate room

        Oh dang, I’ll have to move to a bigger house. My current home is lacking a chicken washing room.

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        Hang on. You’re telling me, all kindergartens in your area have a separate room, just for washing chicken? Like"Here’s where the kids keep their bags, here’s the toilets, this is the chicken washing room, and over there we keep the crafts."

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          There a multiple compartments to every kitchen, at least should be to adhere to sanitary documentation. A separate room for washing dishes, a