From raw vegan cookie dough? No :)
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I don’t know how people make cakes and cookies witbout eating it raw. It seems to be an american thing. Am I the only Australian eating cake batter and cookie dough?
I have never known anyone to get sick but my possibly not-quite-accurate understanding suggests this may be more of a North American thing because we blast our eggs with chemicals that weaken the shell. While the idea is to kill the salmonella, it also can allow it to permeate the shell and infect the egg, making the chance of getting sick from poorly handled uncooked eggs higher if they have not been kept refrigerated.
As a kid I often got to lick the Mixmaster beaters when Mum was making biscuits or a cake.
Yeah I did once, like when I was 8. I don’t recommend it, vomitting and shitting sucks a lot.
It’s not just salmonella from the egg, it’s also e coli from the raw flour.
If you want to make yourself cookie dough, remember to bake loose flour for a bit first to kill any microbes in that, too.
You can tank both of those things. You might get sick but they probably wont kill you if you’re lucky. Cookie dough should have some risk, its the only way to balance it.
I was initially mad at this comment but you’re right. Cookie dough is too good. Literally an OP food. The fear of shitting your guts out is the only thing stopping a somewhat reasonable person like me from eating a whole pound of it.
It’s just the universe’s way of maintaining balance. Kind of like when humanity invented Olestra and the universe said “ok that’s fine, but if you eat a bag of Doritos your ass is going to leak.”
I remember there being a comedy site back when olestra was a thing where some dude decided to test how much he’d have to eat before basically shitting himself inside out. He essentially journaled gradually increasing amounts for like a week and a half. If memory serves, it was roughly one whole bag of chips in a day before symptoms began and 2 bags before he hit full on ass leakage.
though home methods of making the raw flour edible is often inconsistent in terms of how safe it makes the flour, the best practice is to buy cookie dough made to be edible raw, rather than rely on your half-baked attempt at making raw flour edible 😅 (source)
While some recipes suggest DIY methods to “heat-treat” flour at home, such as baking it in the oven or microwaving it, these methods are inconsistent and may not effectively eliminate all pathogens, including Salmonella, which is particularly heat-resistant in low-moisture foods like flour.
To pasteurize wheat flour (e.g., in 5-lb bags) with different moisture contents (e.g., 11.6 percent and 14.5 percent) using an RF heating process (volumetric heating), the holding time required at a specific target temperature can be predicted by measuring or calculating the high-temperature water activities of the flour samples, and then determining their corresponding D-values for Salmonella. In this case, calculations indicate that the water activities at room temperature for the two batches of flour are 0.43 and 0.64, which would increase to 0.69 and 0.82, respectively, at 80°C. According to the equation shown in Figure 4, the D80 values of Salmonella at these water activity levels are 3.2 and 1.2 minutes, respectively. To achieve a 5-log reduction, the two flour batches must be held at 80 °C for 16 and 6 minutes, respectively.
I think the issue here is not that you can’t pasteurize flour yourself, but that many DIY tutorials are dangerous and they should be regulated.
Also it takes a very long time to heat raw flour and it hardly seems worth the effort. Just make oat flour from rolled oats. You’re eating the dough raw, so what do you need egg or gluten for in the first place?
Protip: do NOT use convection when baking loose flour . If you’re going to eat it raw you don’t need to use eggs at all (you shouldn’t, they don’t add any flavour you want here, and are only added to cookies for their protein which helps it set when cooked).
Oh yeah flour is flammable as hell lol. try not to set your kitchen on fire
If you were making cookie dough to be eaten raw, would you maybe substitute some pectin or gelatin to replace the egg, or are we just going with butter, sugar and flour?
The few times I’ve made it, I didn’t replace it with anything. I wouldn’t bother using pectin or gelatin. When egg is uncooked it won’t have a thickening effect, and that’s what you’re trying to match. So if the mix is too thick for your liking, add some water or apple sauce as others have said. But this is just for texture and thickness, to your liking.
And use unsweetened applesauce instead of eggs! If you get the cheap, bland stuff there’s no difference in flavor, and no risk from uncooked eggs!
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eating flour straight form the bag lol
Crying laughing so hard at this lmao
Who the hell is rawdogging their flour??
A bit of raw flour dusting on my cake.
Why flour and not powder sugar?
For that genuine e coli taste.
If that’s not love, I dont know what is
Hahahaha that’s awesome
Do you… do you not?
Don’t yuck someone else’s yum!
I once saw an episode of my strange addiction where a lady was eating a bag or two of corn starch every day so I’d expect somebody out there could handle flour. Edit: Here is the episode.
I’ve done it before dont judge me
All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.
I got it from eating peanut butter once.
You can make your own edible cooking dough. You just have to pasteurize the eggs and flour. If I’m not mistaken, I think the flour is more dangerous than the eggs.
There are even shops which sell edible cookie dough pre-made if you’d prefer the convenience.
Wait what
What’s going on with the flour? Fungus?
You’re not going to like this, but the answer is rat poop. Before it’s packaged it’s often stored in large open piles in warehouses.
Raw flour may be contaminated with harmful bacteria such as E. coli.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/general-food-safety-tips/safe-handling-flour.html
Just skip the eggs entirely for a longer shelf life and more delicious, nutritious butter in your health food.
But it’s more work to make edible cookie dough than cookies, and edible cookie dough has a shorter shelf life, so I personally don’t understand the appeal.
It tastes better to me. 🙃
Eggs are hermetically sealed. As long as they aren’t covered in bird shit when you handle them, pasteurization is not needed.
*unless you are American and your retail eggs must be washed legally, thereby having their protective coating removed.
I would at least rinse off the egg shell before cracking, personally, and when I make raw cookie dough to serve to others, I make sure I follow all food handling best practices since I’d be horrified to give someone food poisoning, as unlikely as it may be.
There’s also this:
While most bacteria including Salmonella are found on the shell itself, Salmonella can sometimes get inside an egg or it can already be inside an egg when it is laid.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/meat-poultry-fish-seafood-safety/eggs.html
The flour is the biggest question mark.
There is never any flour inside the egg when it’s laid.
Hahahahaha, I actually laughed out loud
OK, but it’s still recommended to properly handle eggs, too. It’s not like it’s difficult to pasteurize eggs. You need a pot of water, a stove, and a thermometer.
The egg is only there to help bind it while it bakes so the butter doesn’tmelt and turn it into goo. If you are going to eat the dough just leave out the egg, it doesn’t do anything.
You can eat raw eggs. Raw flour is the question mark.
If your egg is clean on the outside where does the bad bacteria come from? Because its not from inside the egg.
If your egg is clean on the outside where does the bad bacteria come from? Because its not from inside the egg.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Don’t shoot the messenger.
While most bacteria including Salmonella are found on the shell itself, Salmonella can sometimes get inside an egg or it can already be inside an egg when it is laid.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/meat-poultry-fish-seafood-safety/eggs.html
They come out of the chicken with a coating that protects it, but the shell itself is not good enough. If the egg has been washed (which, if you’re in the US and not raising the chickens yourself, they have been) then it’s not totally safe. It’s really stupid that we do this, but we do.
Leave out the eggs and bake the flour at 350f/177-177C for a few minutes first.
I’m shocked that there are shops that sell inedible cookie dough… why would you want such a thing?
This is true, but also I will always lick the spoon when making coookies.
Me too! And the bowl, and the whisk, and …
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/flour-raw-food-and-other-safety-facts
https://www.cdc.gov/food-safety/foods/no-raw-dough.html
Yes, people have gotten sick from Salmonella and E. coli from eating raw flour.
In a flour recall that happened in March 2023, 14 people got sick with 3 hospitalizations.
Here were some others:
- 2021, cake mix recall that led to 16 sick and 7 hospitalized
- 2019, flour recall that led to 21 sick and 3 hospitalizations
- 2016, flour recall that led to 63 sick and 17 hospitalizations
Flour is one of the top ten foods that cause illnesses (source).
Can you pasteurize the dough with sous vide to make it safe to eat but not change the texture?
Eggs are actually a relatively low risk factor for salmonella. The bigger concern is flour; e.coli and salmonella are only able to exist on the surface of things, but flour is all surface area. It’s really good at harboring microbes, because anything on the surface of the grain gets mixed into the flour when it is milled. Raw flour will make you sick more often than raw eggs will.
You can make safe cookie dough by toasting your flour first. Just spread it on a cookie sheet, and pop it in the oven to bake for a few minutes. It’ll add a sort of nutty toasted flavor to the cookie dough, and it makes the flour safe.
Eggs got a bad reputation because the most likely time for people to consume raw eggs is when they’re also consuming raw flour. There is still some risk with the eggs, but it’s nowhere near as bad as people have come to believe.
And lastly, if you’re planning on eating it raw, you don’t even need the eggs. The egg only serves to hold the cookie together and keep the dough from melting into a batter in the oven (because the butter in the dough goes liquid when it gets hot, while egg proteins bind together). If you’re not baking it, that’s not an issue. Just toast your flour, skip the eggs, and your dough is 100% safe.
I make edible cookie dough all the time. You just need to bake or microwave the flour for a couple minutes until it hits 165. It doesn’t have eggs, but the odds of catching something from them is super low anyway.
Ah man raw flour is my favorite.
Doubtful, as the cookies normally have butter in them and the sous vide would melt the butter causing issues with the dough.
Can you sous vide the eggs to pasteurize them before you put them in the dough?
Yes, and the flour as well which should make it safe (raw flour has salmonella). The eggs would be better/easier to just buy pasteurized egg whites and yolks though.
What’s even better is raw Brownie batter. That shit is fudgy chocolatey goodness that cannot be contained. I use that instead of chocolate syrup over vanilla ice cream and just… you’ll never believe how amazing it is. you can warm the batter up in the microwave (without it baking into a brownie) and drizzle it on with a fork. Just do it already
Cook the dry ingredients at 350f/176-177C for a few minutes first and do not add eggs if you are doing this to reduce risks.
